US should pack its bags: Dan Qayyum, PKKH – On RussiaToday TV
On this edition of CrossTalk with Peter Lavelle, his guests Dan Qayyum (Editor PKKH), Shuja Nawaz and Anatol Leiven discuss whether Pakistan could be the target of the next American-led invasion in the region.
Dan Qayyum, analyst at the Pakistani alternative policy institute and news-service PKKH (PakistanKaKhudaHafiz.com) – South Asia analyst for ‘Fortress’ Defence Journal – joined by Anatol Lieven, (British author, journalist, and policy analyst) – presently a Senior Researcher (Bernard L. Schwartz fellow and American Strategy Program fellow) at the New America Foundation, where he focuses on US global strategy and the War on Terrorism, Associated Scholar of the Transnational Crisis Project, Chair of International Relations and Terrorism Studies at King’s College London – and Shuja Nawaz, political and strategic analyst based in Washington DC, author of “Crossed Swords: Pakistan, its Army, and the Wars Within,” is director of the South Asia Center of the Atlantic Council.
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“US insists that Pakistan ‘do more’ to fulfill Washington’s vision of fighting extremism’
No. Allow me re-phrase it,
“US insists that Pakistan ‘do more’ to fulfill Washingston’s vision of fighting it’s own people, subservience to India, creating civil strife and anarchy within it’s borders through provincialism, sectarianism and ethnicity, so that we, the Americans, can appear as the saviours of this world by going in and invading an unstable and failed nuclear state..” – it’s that simple.
Why are the bells of ‘do more’ ringing again? Answer: Pakistan is fast changing it’s priorities and policies in this region in the best interests of Pakistan.
Ali Alamzeb
America, NATO and all the so called experts are echoing one BASIC fact:
PAKISTAN IS INDISPENSABLE – and everyone from the local farmer to the politician recognises this reality. As i’ve said on the forum before, Pakistan is in a situation which it can and must use to it’s advantage and we must remember that THEY need US more than we need them.
Anatol Lieven says:
“..they (Americans) are desperate not to repeat the experience of Vietnam”
This is a telling statement which shows you the American mindset and how desperate and anxious they have become in the quagmire that is Afghanistan. On reflection, i personally believe it’s a situation we must exploit for political leverage over the Indians who are creating a mess in Afghanistan. They have scant knowledge of the area, it’s culture, it’s people, the Taliban and i bet you your bottom dollar they don’t know the ‘Alif’ of Afghani cuisine neither! (then it desn’t take a genius to figure out what the hell they are doing there). America has been told about India’s conduct and how it is destabilising Pakistan but they have turned a blind eye. I think now Pakistan will take matters into it’s own hands and formulate it’s own strategy to deal with India vis a vis Afghanistan – The Taliban have a natural hatred for India since the days of the Mujahideen conflict and the demise of the USSR and it is this feeling that Indian should be wary of more than anything.
You can tame an animal but you can’t tame Afghanistan. A message for India: Be careful, don’t say Pakistan didnt warn you!
Ali Alamzeb
“US should pack its bags and head for a exit door” and that’s all there is left for america to do now, just head for exit before your untimly death. Brilliant sum up by dan bhai of the situation building up in afhganistan.
If US wants to vanture inside Pakistan, we sould say; come and then see your death and your india’s death. we actuly want this to happend so we can do you cowards properly.
Pakistan kay logo ko jagao aur tiar ho jao. america our india are ready so we too should get ready.
Pakistan Zindabad Paindabad
Everything a side…. how important is eye contact in a conversation I came to know about that today
Seriously!
PKKH is set as my default page, and I felt really happy to see Dan at RT. But what the hell Dan.. You had your hands tied up with close to no eye contact. You made me sad!!!
Such a great chance and we blew it! I thought you will take this chance and tell them what we really think back home!!
Sad day for PKKH!
@ Waqas Ahmed & Saud Ali
* Give the guy a break – FIRST time on television so i’m sure he was nervous. Just look at the company he was in…
* I’m pretty damn sure if he comes on TV again he will be more confident.
We are too quick to judge. He was fine and leave it that. Atleast he has the balls to come on TV and air his views – many would balk at that and slip into a shell. He deserves credit. Shabaash, Well done Dan Q. Keep up the hard work Jigar, you are not only being heard but also seen now
Ali Alamzeb
I don’t agree with you.
After Ahmed Qureshi,we got another youth representing Pakistan elsewhere.Dan infact also represented PKKH which shows its importance.Now PKKH matters.
The very objective of US of coming to Afghanistan was to denuclearize Pakistan somehow or the other.
In fact USA wants to prepare India agaisnt China but India, playing a Bania trick, clearly told USA that until Pakistan is a nuclear power she can’t get herself prepared against China. Moreover, Israel has NOT been feeling easy from the Day-1 when a Muslim country, Pakistan, has become a Nuclear power. So both these countries convinced USA to plan-out denuclearize Pakistan under the garb of “war-on-terror” and 9/11.
India assured US that she has “defeated” Pakistani in all three wars plus Kargil so we all three, USA + India + Israel, can ’swallow’ this country, Pakistan, through TTP. mercenary force prepared by CIA + RAW + Mossad. Hence, Uncle Sam ventured for a trip on the advice of her new ‘girl friend’,India, the country always uses others’ shoulders to fire a gun. Last time it was USSR and now she used USA. But with the help of Allah these three countries have miserably failed in their heinous designs against Pakistan.
USA has realized very late that India mislead her but now it’s too late to get out of this mess ‘honorably’ whereas India sitting pretty, rather she made handsome profits out of it the whole scenario by securing Civil Nuclear Technology and more than a dozen contracts of multi-billion dollars.
At last, Bania is always a Bania.
Shab-e-Baraat
Please remember me in your Duwas as I shall remember you all in mine.
@ Striver
Thanks. God Bless You. All Pakistani patriots pray for the health and prosperity of fellow Pakistani’s. You needn’t ask for prayers, they are already there.
Tonight is a very powerful night, just as important as Layla-tul-Qadr as it precedes 15th Shaban. Tonight the destiny of Allah’s ‘makhlooq’ (creation) is determined and weighed up.
Pakistan’s destiny is in safe hands, let’s make sure we please Allah too. Take great care.
and one more thing…. behave, don’t be rude… LOLLZ!
Regards and Duwa,
Your Brother..
Ali Alamzeb
India’s RAW and diplomats must competent not to have seen this coming:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/iran-backing-taliban-alqaida-afghanistan
for your info guardian is the biggest jew based newspapaer in the west to protact jewish state and to interlink this terrorist state of zinost jews with the western goverments manily qith deplomates to give power to policy makings. so don’t dewalle in this covert guardian crap.
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First the logic: From a person who has very intensive knowledge of Afghanistan and Pakistan, the advice is that work out a deal with Pakistan for an exit from the area and save lives. Please wake up. Do not find commanders within the borders of Pakistan. Controlling 90% of Afghanistan’s terrority, they don’t have to hide in FATA. Next, if you cannot find the top leadership under your nose with all the power of the world, how do expect Pakistan to find them for you? Thirdly, as per published reports, there are only 50-60 Al Qaida operators are left in Afghanistan. Does it make sense to use 150,000 personnel and $200 billion a year in subduing them. The cost to the allied forces is much higher than to those in Aghanistan fighting them.You cannot do any further harm to those who are determind to protect their freedom. Believe they can wait. In Pathan’s life, revenge can take 100 years.
Now some practical advice:
Pakistanis are not anti American. They have been on same side on many occasions. But they are angry as they have been insulted on many occasions. Pakistanis are very brave people as you might have noted in the outcome of the previous war of Afghanistan where the USSR invaded that country. They are also very proud people and they want a respectable partnership. Don’t talk of $500 million or $10 billion. What has come back to them is 1/4 of what has been drummed while their infrastructure has been ruined by overuse during the transit of supplies for NATO forces in Afghanistan. According to the most conservative estimitaes, the war since 9/11 has cost them $45-50 billion.It is now your moral duty to make up for those losses through trade concessions and investment that will help Pakistan in true sense.
Pakistanis also want a fair deal that you should consider if you want to earn their trust: (1) get India out of Afghanistan and dis-able her assets which is used to destabilize Pakistan; (2) convince India that without Kashmir’s resoultion, there will be no peace in the region; and(3)convince India that if she doesn’t honor her committment to Indus Water Treaty, Pakistani nation may have to take strong measures to protect their rights.
Congratulations – is this your first TV appearance. Well done. Nice publicity for PKKH as well.
@ Amused
I think it was Chaucer who said, ‘Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit’
Ali Alamzeb
ha ha ha – no sarcasm there Ali…. but yeah, I do wish that PKKH would put up non hostile articles from time to time
Thanks – yes it is. Good to know we’re being heard and noticed
Well done Dan. You guys are most certainly being heard and noticed. And to pass on another compliment – despite my having plenty to say – I must admit – this site is much better than some Indian forums – I have yet to be banned or censored.
AMUSED
Surprised SHOcked HORRIFIED
Is that really you saying this or am I dreaming. I’ve pinched myslef several times to make sure I am awake and now I’ve got red marks all over.
Your fault again AMUSED for this blamphemous post. But good on ya !
@Amused
As somebody told you earlier:
HAMARA DIL BAHUT BARA HAI, and we are proud of it.
Dan Qayyum
OH MARY SHABAZ QALANDAR,
DAMA DUM MAST QALADAR,
ALI SHABAZ QALANDAR.
BRO YOU’VE HIT THEM SO HARD THAT EVEN I CAN HEAR THIS HIT FROM WHERE I AM, AND I’M NOT CLOSE….LOLOL
BROTHER MY REQUEST.
WHERE IS MY BROTHER ZAID HAMID ON THIS FORUM? I DON’T SEE HIS TAB NOR I SEE HIS WEBSITE BEING SHOWEN?
WHY THERE IS NO ZAID BHAI ON THIS FORUM?
WE MUST NEVER FORGET; IT WAS ZAID BHAI WHO STARTED THE MISSION AND WE MUST INCLUDE HIM IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.
QUAIDS DON’T COME CHEAP, NOR DO THEY COME WITHOUT ANY SACRIFISES. ZAID IS PAKISTAN’S NEXT QUID THE LEADER WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR, SO RESPECT HIM AND HONOUR HIM MY BROTHER.
LET ME KNOW.
Congrats… I have not read any of Shuja Nawaz articles. Is he pro-pakistan or one of those american bhagvan worshipper?
@ Salman
Shuja Nawaz is generally considered a good writer/analyst inside Pakistan aswell as outside. Yes he is pro-Pakistan and as far as i know, only favours America to a certain extent, no more. NO, he i definitely not a ‘american bhagvan worshipper’ as you call it. Read his book, ‘Crossed Swords’ about Pakistan Army and he says some fascinating things in it. You will gain a better insight into the individual that is SN. In Punjabi: Bandah acha gall karda ey, he says sensible stuff. Take care jaani
Ali Alamzeb
@ Salman
i mean, bandah achi gall karda ey! (not acha! LOL)
Also its time for filthy hindus to pack up and go back to their shit holes because americans are not staying back for very long to get massages from musalli hindus
Moron indians wanted to become the chaudaries of the region..too bad lord mountbattan wife is no longer available to be seduced for favors and they tend to forget that they are generically inferior race. In my books, they have already been downgraded to skunks. and for americans, they are now the official beggers of the world.
@Salman,
Official beggars!
Who?India!
Pakistan is way ahead on the begging front!
http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/2010/01/turkey-to-provide-spare-parts-of-ah-1.html
Free parts from Turkey
http://forum.pakistanidefence.com/index.php?showtopic=89661
Free servicing of Pak army helos from USA
Billions and Billion of $ loan from IMF still not enough!
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=192229
Begging from USA since time of Pakistan’s creation!
http://www.newsweek.com/2009/10/21/about-those-billions.html
And that is while leaving out China and saudi arabia!!!!
RAJK
Pakistan is one of the most sanctioned countries in the world. The world needs to be fair to Paksitan.
You need to do more reading up to understand my point. Your analysis is far too narrow to challange anyone intellectually.
@Striver,
Am talking in generic terms here.
India is a developing country with many problems including poverty.
Am pointing out against the stereotypical image of blindly labeling India as a ‘beggar’ by persons who are not looking inwards at themselves.
RAJK
I think if we are honest about it, then we both stand accused of blindly labelling each otherof all sorts of things.
My fellow Pakistanis no doubt were responding comments that were based on stereotypical images of Paskistan.
But here in lies another problem. Why is it that we understand you guys and you don’t. The answer lies in the media.
Paskitani media, it is generally acknowledged, is not on the whole biased agasint India. I wish that was the case of your media.
@ Rajik No one gives money to anyone for free. If someone is giving money to Pakistan it is the blood money,it is for the security of NATO and their life saving supply routes.
Remember it was Pakistan who smashed your old buddy USSR to pieces and then it was not super power any more.
History always repeats it self and you will see what happens to to your new boy friends.
By the way , why did USSR invade Afghanistan at that time their was no Osama?
Why is NATO putting trillions of dollars in Afghanistan and Iraq not to find Osama ?
Well! you know the answer, it is to rob Muslim countries resources as all of you infidels have been doing for centuries.
But not for long.
@Salman,
Also there are 3.2 Million Hindus in Pakistan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan#Demographics
So are they also ‘filthy’ hindus or ‘filthy Pakistanis’?
Or by being in Pakistan they satnd automatically cleansed,blessed and purified!
RAJK
Perhaps you’ve answered your own question in the last line.
Just for being on Pakland all are blessed and purified.
@Striver,
No wonder the jehadi terrorists in their targeted operations in India have no compunction in attacking and killing civilians of whatever religion they may be.
For them people outside of Pakistan are probably some sort of ‘Haram’ or inhabitants of some impure land.
No wonder the cranks are now increasingly carrying out attacks in Pakistan itself on those who they consider are not the purest as per their standards!!!
RAJK
You’re almost there.
Corrections:
1. Those targeting India proper, like the Mumbai incident, are not jihadis. I say this becasue no credible evidence has been presneted by the Indian government for us to think that they were jihadis. In fact there are several unanswered questions. Quite why the UN acted in haste to pass a resolution agasint them I cannot understand. This is what UN has been reduce to.
3. those who think living in lands outside of Pakistan are ‘Haram’ are the extrem of the extreme and a very small minority but unfortunately for you ans us they haev guns in their hands.
2.those targeting Pakistan are not jihadis either but brainewashed teenagers being manipulated by the those whose only interest is to cause bloodshed and destruction on earth.
But keep it up. Expand your horizons and remember always search for the TRUTH even it means it is agaisnt your own country. No better people to learn this from than Pakistanis.
SALMAN
Hakook-Allah and Hakook-ul-ebad are the essence of our belief. Haqook-Ul-Ebad talks about humanity and does not differentiate between race and religious beliefs. If we therefore tansgress the rights of another humanbeing we are sinning.
And as you know God will only forgive that transgression if the person you have wronged (of whatever race or creed)forgives you first.
This is the essence of Islam as you are well aware no doubt. Lets carry out that duty we owe to God in the hope that we do not have to ask God to give us another chance to right our wrongs. We won’t get another chance.
I hope I have not offended you.
@ Striver
BHAI YOU ARE SAYING TRUTH. ALLAH MUAF KAR DAY HUM GUNAGARO KO. AMEN.
WASY BHAI APP RUNG MAA BHUNG ZAROOR DAL DATY HA APANY LAFZO SAY. WASY APP SACHY HA. MAA APP KI KADAR KARTA HO
KHAN OF PAKISTAN
One of the rare posts that made me smile.
You have admonished me yet it feels like you haven’t. Where did you learn to do that? I wish I’d gone to the same school.
Very nice. Godless.
P.S. OK I won’t poke my nose in in other peoples posts.
KHAN OF PAKISTAN
Oops ! I meant Godbless.
You see my brain works much faster than my fingers.
@ Salman
I LIKED YOUR SPOT ON POST. WELL DONE.
I WOULD SAY TO ALL HINDOZ, GET OUT OF AFHGANISTAN AND GET OUT OF THIS FORUM. WHY YOU HINDOZ ALWAYS PRESENT BIN BOLAY MEHMAAN????
AMER-I-CA & I-NDIA JUST GET OUT OF AFHGANISTAN. TALIBAN ARE NOT TERRORISTS, IT IS AMERICA AND INDIA ARE TERRORISTS.
TALIBAN WE WILL FIGHT TOGATHER WITH YOU TO DEFEAT THESE TWO HARAMI SWINES.
Why does India keep missing important pointers to where the region is headed:
Russia has indicated its readiness to open doors, even for military cooperation on the heels of meeting between Russian President Midvale and Pakistani President Zardari during the SCO conference last June.
this show up Indias foreign policy misfortunes.
@ Salman
Shuja Nawaz is generally considered a good writer/analyst inside Pakistan aswell as outside. Yes he is pro-Pakistan and as far as i know, only favours America to a certain extent, no more. NO, he i definitely not a ‘american bhagvan worshipper’ as you call it. Read his book, ‘Crossed Swords’ about Pakistan Army and he says some fascinating things in it. You will gain a better insight into the individual that is SN. In Punjabi: Bandah acha gall karda ey, he says sensible stuff. Take care jaani
One more thing Sallu my brother (hope you don’t mind me calling you Sallu, i say it with affection LOL!):
heed the advice of Striver regarding ‘Hakook-ullah’ and ‘Hukook-ul-Ibaad’ – ‘Hakook-Ullah’ is the last stage and one which is the end result of successfully fulfilling ‘Hakook-uli-Ibaad’. Fulfillment of ‘Hukook-ul-Ibaad’ cannot commence until one embarks on the hardest jihad first, the jihad against one’s own ‘nafs’, worldly temptations and those ‘carnal desires’ you talk about
I wish you well.
Ali Alamzeb
Any country which has harmed Pakistan was broken to pieces(Russia in 16 pieces) and now India in 22 states.All those who harmed Pakistan died dogs death.If US is interested in its own devastation, should try this.
I declared this fact yesterday in my comment ( which I don’t find in the comments posted) that western lobby finds itself in a mess now. British trained the Meer Jafar/Meer Sadiq political filth of India all the mischief/dogmatism for 02 centuries that it ruled India. Now with the awareness in public the political filth is becoming a hateful group not capable of being followed any more the west can clearly foresee its grip loosening & western slavery ending in this region. This is a moment of great shock for the west. They now once again sit down & plan how to continue the slavery imposed on the Muslims of Pakistan. They are at their best to break Pakistan into smaller parts & are trying to impose constant war to create hatred between the Muslims & once again make them its dependent But thank God that now having distinguished between the friend & the foe Pakistanis won’t be deceived any more. Its the anti Pakistan/anti Islamic lobby who’s to suffer now. May Almighty Allah protect Pakistan from its internal & external enemies. PAKISTAN ZINDA BAAD.
CHANMAKHNA
Can we swap names? Brilliant.
Congrats Dan, goood job done!
As we all know there is someone else behind US(Jews). And there ultimate goal is to rule the world. They want to destroy the Islam and they will not care about the US OR Pakistan loss. On one hand they are supporting the Pakistan Army and on the other hand they are also helping the talibans in Afghanistan to fight against the Pakistan through OR by the help of India. This is not the “War of Terrorism”, it is the “War against Islam”. They want talibans and Pakistanis to fight against each other, as a result Pakistan can be destabilize OR denuclearize and they can make a counter attack on Pakistan.
US can’t buy the blood of the Pakistanis by such aid.
They can’t achieve their goals. InshAllah
Does anyone really think that the aid is being given to actually help the PEOPLE of Pakistan?? It is being given so that all the corrupt people just keep coming to power in a cycle and then their children and then their children and so on.The americans WANT the corrupt people to stay in power so that they can be lured into doing what the americans WANT them to do by giving them the so called “Aid”
Who leaked the most important of all docs relating to afghan war and the thing tomention is that all of the facts and figures go against pakistan and ISI..and these things simply leak..huhh..i think its time for US to talk sense..when the nuclear material of a country, who claims to be the largest democracy on planet earth, is availible in the markets of mumbai and were sent to the ‘BHA BHA research centre’ for analysis,. is safe but not even a single case of the leakage of pak nukes to any country can be traced back with a solid proof.
The strategy of US is to shift their afghan war to be fought in the frontiers and streets of Pak Sarzameen and every one knows that..how can a talib or an uneducated(non-science) studnt of a madrassah came to know how to make and blast a bomb? But despite all this, “do more” has became a nightmare for us. I think its time for Pak to change their preferences and if US has the right to protect herself and fight and invade a country thousands miles off their coasts, then Pak has an equal right too.
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD
Thanks for the encouragement and support. It was my first attempt, rest assured there will be massive improvement in the future. There were time constraints too therefore had to fit in a lot of information into as little words as possible. Also, I’ve learnt the hard way that eyes must always be focused at the camera lens
Dan Qayyum
DAN Qayyum
Despite that you got the message across really well. Practice makes perfect. No I’ll cahnge that to perfect practice makes perfect because if what you are practicing is imperfect in the first place you will not reach perfection. Am I making sense or am I in the words of KHAN OF PAKISTAN making Rung May Bhung?
Well done DAN!
you have really kicked the american asses.
let the usa come into pakistan and we will sort them out for good!
KAFIR HO TO SHAMSHEER PE KARTA HAI BHAROSA
MOMIN HO TO BE TAIGH BHEE LARTA HAI SIPAHI
APNI MILLAT PE QAYAAS AQWAM-E-MAGHRIB SE NA KAR
KUCH KHAAS HAI TARKEEB MEIN QAUM E RASOOL E HASHMI
KHUDI KO KAR BULUND ITNA KE HAR TAQDEER SE PEHLAY
KHUDA BANDAY SE KHUD POOCHEY BATA TERI RAZA KIA HAI
How can we have information and intelligence-sharing with a country that has systematically done and continues to do a hatchet job on our premier intelligence agency and Pakistan military? US is collaborating with the Indians and playing havoc inside Pakistan.It is time for Pakistan to sever its links and cooperation with the US.
Well done Dan…
You guys are emotional and dumb. Really dumb as Pakistan’s history also unambiguously proves so. China having sensed that Pakistan is on the verge of collapse, has sent over PLA troops into Gilgit-Baltistan. Regional security compromised. If Pakistan had any quality leadership left at all, the first thing to do would be to explore some sort of a loose federation with India.
aoa,
I only share this verse in reply of all those who targets such type of religious programmes as (Kashmir’s freedom conference)
”Lo! those who believed and left their homes and strove with their wealth and their lives for the cause of Allaah, and those who took them in and helped them, these are protecting friends one of another, And those who beleived but did not leave their homes, ye have no duty to protect them till they leave their homes, b…ut if they seek help from you in the MATTER OF RELIGION then it is your duty to help them…”
Surah VIII, Al-Anfal (The Spoils of War) V #72
Mr. DAN Qayyum, you were the best among all of those people there, and you showed them. You really demonstrated what are the opinions of Pakistani forces and People of Pakistan
The video I watched right on this page is excellent discussion about Pakistan. I feel Dan have said the truth about US Pakistan relations.