95% of Muslims In Occupied Kashmir Want Aazadi From India
Robert Bradnock, BBC NEWS
A recent survey in Indian- and Pakistani-administered Kashmir has produced “striking results”. The poll was conducted by Robert Bradnock – an associate fellow at the Chatham House think-tank in London – and here he assesses the results.
Given the significance of the 63-year-old dispute over Kashmir – for India, for Pakistan and above all for Kashmiris – it is remarkable how few attempts there have been to test opinion in Kashmir itself about attitudes to key issues in the dispute.
Two polls in the last decade have sampled opinion in Indian Jammu and Kashmir. Opinion has also been explored outside Kashmir in the cities of India and Pakistan.
Yet the poll published on 26 May at Chatham House was the first ever to be taken on both sides of the Line of Control (LoC).
It was urgently felt that the key results are striking.
Unemployment and other economic issues, for example, rank high across the whole of Pakistani held Kashmir and Indian held Jammu and Kashmir.
Indeed economic issues were among the few that united opinion in nearly all the sampled districts on both sides of the LoC.
The poll shows that there is more room than many had anticipated in Kashmiri opinion itself for negotiation.
At first glance economic problems seem to be the top priority in the minds of many Kashmiris, and more important than solving the dispute itself.
Yet when asked how important the dispute was to them personally, 80% overall said it was very important – 75% in Pakistan-administered Kashmir and 82% in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir.
The search for a solution is thus urgently felt.
On many other issues, however, opinions were sharply divided, notably by geographical distribution.
The headline figures of 44% (in Pakistan-administered Kashmir) and 43% (in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir) opting for independence, for example, conceals wide regional disparities.
While in the predominantly Muslim Kashmir Valley in Indian-administered Kashmir, the proportion in favour of independence ranged from 74%-95%.
But in the four districts of the predominantly Hindu Jammu part of Indian-administered Kashmir, there was virtually no support for independence at all.
In response to the question “Will an end to militant violence help to end the conflict?” opinion ranged from 0% in Rajouri to 98% in Anantnag and Kathua, while in Pakistan-administered Kashmir it ranged from 27% in Kotli to 75% in Bagh.
Resolution
This was a professionally designed and implemented poll. I worked with Ipsos MORI (based in London) on the poll’s design.
FACTS Worldwide (Mumbai) and Aftab Associates Private Limited (Pakistan) used specially trained interviewers to carry out the face-to-face interviews in four languages.
Many Kashmiris – but not a majority – favour independence.
It was funded by a charitable organisation run by Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
Dr Gaddafi’s foundation had already been funding development projects among Kashmiri refugees in Pakistan and India, and in 2002 approached me at King’s College London to discuss issues surrounding the resolution of the dispute.
In line with his view that civil society has a vital role to play in resolving disputes worldwide, he sponsored the poll.
Engaging Kashmiri opinion emerged as one of the key features of the poll.
Three quarters of all Kashmiris – on both sides of the LoC – believe that all sides of Kashmiri opinion should be consulted in negotiations over the future of Kashmir.
An optimistic sign is the apparent sense of flexibility among many Kashmiris in seeking a solution.
Only 27% of all Kashmiris are in favour of the LoC in its present form (22% in Pakistani-administered Kashmir and 29% in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir.)
All-or-nothing
In three districts in Kashmir valley support for the present LoC falls to 1%, while in Kargil it is 0%.
However, if the movement across the LoC were to be fully liberalised, support for keeping the LoC rises dramatically to 85% overall.
Even in the Kashmir valley it rises to over 80%, and in Pakistan-administered Kashmir to over 90%.
The Kashmir insurgency has raged for 20 years. It is perhaps the attitudes to the LoC that are most significant.
Both Pakistan and India have been very reluctant to consider openly any question that the LoC might be made permanent.
For Pakistan in particular the issue has been presented in all-or-nothing terms, and the possibility that the LoC might be made permanent has been taboo – as it is for some major Kashmiri groups.
Yet there are many signs that the LoC has become a de facto part of life, and for some a vital part of their security.
Indeed, only 8% said that they were not in favour of the LoC in any form.
As the poll showed, while 8% of the total population claimed to have friends or family on the other side, less than 1% had visited the other side of the LoC in the last five years.
In this light it is not surprising that in Poonch and Rajouri, two key border districts in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, more than 90% are in favour of keeping the LoC.
The conversion of the LoC to a “soft” border reportedly played a large part in the Musharraf government’s back channel talks with India.
The poll finding that across Kashmir around one quarter are strongly opposed to changing the LoC while a further half would accept it if it is liberalised gives a strong signal that this could be a fruitful area for further negotiation.
And the poll shows that there is more room than many had anticipated in Kashmiri opinion itself for negotiation.
The bigger question is whether the governments of India and Pakistan have the confidence, the power and the goodwill to meet the urgent aspirations of the Kashmiris for a peaceful and permanent settlement.
@ rajk,
If people like you are the best spokepersons available in Hindustan, then the country is in even worse shape than I thought.
When did I say Iran had ‘dumped’ Hindustan? Can you even show me? Or are you once again making stuff up to suit your own redundant arguments? What I did say was that Teheran had come to the conclusion that Hindustanis were nothing more than a waste of time. If you look a little more closely, you will find that it’s Hindustan that is currently pushing for a revival of the pipeline talks – Iran is surrounded by more reliable customers.
China may join Pakistan-Iran gas pipeline
http://www.daily.pk/china-may-join-pakistan-iran-gas-pipeline-15573/
Funny…if this is all out of Pakistan’s league, how come your team of misfits is still dragging its heels when making a decision on the pipeline? Why not dismiss the idea altogether, and make a start on your famous underwater pipeline?
It’s because behind your self-created hype, you’re a nation of disappointments.
Chimney Failures: A setback to Indian Power Sector
http://punjabnewsline.com/content/chimney-failures-setback-indian-power-sector/22441
You can’t even construct industrial chimneys without killing your own people, who the hell are you trying to kid with your talk about pipelines?! Wait, I know your answer…’yes, our manufacturing is shoddy and embarrassing, but at least it is being reported in our free media!’ LOL…what a joke.
You send me a mountain of spurious links which tell me nothing other than the fact that Hindustan’s over-producing masses are desperate for energy. Wow, well done…you must feel so patriotic about that.
UN climate official warns of Indian energy ‘crisis’
http://www.physorg.com/news180787178.html
You’re trying to sound like an expert on economics, but you’re making a fool of yourself. Very few political developments take place in today’s world without due consideration for energy consequences, and vice-versa. The US, desperate to keep China in check, has been investing heavily in making Hindustan out to be more than it is – there is no other way a country with as many failings in its social indicators as yours can ever be considered a superpower. The only thing that you can offer that has any element of truth is that Hindustan is hungry for energy – well join the club. That’s hardly an accomplishment on your part.
When did I ever claim that Pakistan was a major player in energy development? This whole debate is an exercise in bringing you down to earth – what good is it asking me about Pakistani energy companies? Pakistan is in a stage of development, in both its energy and corporate sector. That’s why Pakistanis don’t make ridiculous claims to be part of a ’shining’ superpower. I took a look at your list; Hindustan’s representation is mediocre, not only internationally but even in Asia, where it claims to be some sort of regional power. China and Japan both dwarve your influence in the energy sector, and neither of those countries make the same claims to be superpowers – even though both are far nearer to that status than a country which can’t feed two thirds of its people. You sound like a fool when you try to hype up your limited representation compared to your competitors.
Why is it wishful thinking for me to highlight your subservience to the US? You have gifted away the sovereignty of your nuclear capability (if you even have any) for the sake of an approving nod from the white man. I personally find that sad and embarrassing. Most of your delusion about Pakistani subservience to the US is, once again, the fantasy of your pseudo-intellectual analysts, who are ten-a-penny in your ‘country’. They are the same ‘analysts’ who have been predicting the collapse of Pakistan with desperate pleasure: shame they have more skills in dreaming than they do in research.
Pakistani PM Ignores U.S. Warning on Iran Gas Deal
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=10986822
Pakistan Defies U.S. on Halting Afghanistan Raids
http://www.hewad.com/news/print.php/2008/05/16/102.phtml
Pakistan defiant on U.S. demands to target top Taliban warrior
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/DN-afpak_15int.ART.State.Edition2.4b9b9a9.html
Pakistan Rejects US Request to Quiz Major Adnan Ahmed
http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/2010/05/21/pakistan-rejects-us-request-to-quiz-major-adnan-ahmed/
You’re sounding like a wounded schoolchild when you’re referring to the ‘piddly’ pipeline – so far, all your other ventures to secure energy have come to naught. That’s mainly because none of your neighbours like you; you can thank ‘Chanakiya’ for that. Congratulations on doing some development in ‘IRAN ITSELF’ (lol at the CAPITAL LETTERS); so how are you planning on transporting that fuel to Hindustan? Maybe you can employ those pigeons from the ISI. At least you have enough energy to power your consulates in Iran!
I’m sorry, but it takes a complete moron – and normally a Hindustani, I’m ashamed to add – to put ‘democracy’ and ‘human rights’ in the same bracket. There are simply too many links available for me to show you the countless human rights violations carried out by leading ‘democracies’ that you are so desperate to imitate, but you still try to use that as justification to dismiss the very valid condemnation by the OIC of your shocking behaviour in Occupied Kashmir. The vast majority of OIC member states rank above your ‘country’ on the 2009 HDI rankings, which once again shows how misguided you and your kind are in pointing fingers elsewhere. LOL – apparently Palestine and Iraq are things about which ‘no-one cares to listen’…that’s priceless. Do you learn about current affairs by gazing up at the stars?
Every now and again, in the middle of your mindless comments, you come up with a line so funny I actually enjoy replying to it. Your justification for the racist, bigoted Jammu protests of 2008 shows how completely blind you are to the ground realities of your own back yard – you think you’re being magnanimous and doing the Kashmiris a favour by protecting their property rights?! You fool, the reason they are ‘ungrateful’ is because they don’t recognise your government! That’s like Ethiopia allowing Eritreans to build houses in their own capital, and seeing that as a ‘concession’. It’s pathetic that you don’t see the elephant in the room, and you Hindustanis sit there waiting for the freedom fighters of Kashmir to kiss your feet.
Muslims riot in Indian Kashmir over protest deaths
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKISL4211820080813
“A curfew remained in force in much of Indian Kashmir after some of the biggest protests since a revolt against Indian rule broke out in 1989 over what Muslim traders said was an economic blockade of their region by Hindus in adjoining Jammu.”
These protesters were nothing more than typical Hindustani religious nationalist thugs, itching for an opportunity to attack their northern neighbours. It is only simpletons like you who see this as an internal issue – the Kashmiris don’t want your hypocritical ‘concessions’, they want FREEDOM. How many more links do I have to send you to deliver that message?
But that’s not the best part, ‘Steve’ – the best part is your stupid, stupid assessment of Shias in Kashmir. Your ignorance of Pakistan is second only to your ignorance of Islam, and to be honest it’s so embarrassing I have to smile as I reply. My friend, I am a Pakistani Muslim, and I know exactly how Shias feel, as well as Sunnis – you stick to your Dalits and man-made caste system, because that’s clearly as far as your mentality can reach.
http://www.kashmiraffairs.org/interview_ghulam%20ali%20gulzar.html
“What is the role of Shia Muslims in the present movement?
During the 1965, Shia Muslims offered a lot of help to ‘mujahideen’ including hideouts. During the present phase of the movement, Shia Muslim resistance organization Hizbul Moomineen has offered more than 400 Shia youth as martyrs. In addition, scores of Shias died fighting within other organisations and many are languishing in jails.”
Here’s some more for you, to assist in your religious education.
“There is a general sentiment that Pakistan has betrayed Kashmiris. What is the sentiment amongst the Shia Muslim community?
The Shia Muslim community shares the sentiments of their Sunni brethren. But despite many recent or previous developments, Kashmiris have strong pro-Azadi and pro-Pakistan sentiments and they will remain here for all times to come. Even if Jammu and Kashmir becomes a free country, pro-Pakistan sentiments will still remain here.”
When all your other arguments are failing, to come up with a comment as stupid as that is just plain suicide. Stick to your fields of expertise, my friend – your limited knowledge of Islam is so infantile, I can’t even put it into words. I could start giving examples of prominent Shias in Pakistan, but I’m honestly so embarrassed at your stupidity I don’t even want to dignify it with an extensive reply. But hey…if you push me, I’ll be happy to. To be honest, the more you go on about Kashmir the more it sounds like you’ve never even been there – for all your impotent blustering, you still can’t explain how Nehru’s advisor was talking about the valley when he said ‘Kashmir is not ours’. And on the same note, you still haven’t explained how this remark was made in 1964, when allegedly there was no trouble in the region (your claim). Let me take this opportunity to remind you that this is all information taken from your own link. LOL…what a comedian.
It seems the poverty issue really bugs you; I guess that’s yet another example of a Hindustani having trouble digesting facts. So far, as far as I can tell, you have come up with three answers:
- ‘Hindustan is a big country, we think BIG!’ (nonsense argument)
- ‘we are not poor, we have so many millionaires’ (traditional Brahmin thinking)
- ‘there are poor people, but we do not have to worry about them because we will go on and on and will shine forever’ (bland Bollywood-style answer, doesn’t address the issue)
I will be interested if you can somehow manage to come up with something – ANYTHING – that for once shows your concern for your hundreds of millions of starving masses. Until then, you’re just wasting energy.
*yawn* Do you honestly think you’re the first Hindustani pseudo-intellectual to try to re-write the history of the Cold War? Perhaps in your Hindutva textbooks all of Eurasia is listed as ‘Akhand Bharat’, but in reality, there was a point at which the Soviets were threatening to invade Pakistan. Being from a nation that prides itself of having been conquered repeatedly, you probably don’t understand why our army and ISI fought back – but we did, and we brought down a giant. Who trained the Mujahideen? Who supported them in the plains of Afghanistan? I can’t understand why you’re so hung up on the ‘billions of dollars’ in aid – the Russians threw the same money at you for your space program, and you still can’t launch your own indigenous satellite. At least Pakistan achieved her aims with what she was given; another valuable lesson for you.
What kind of moron does it take to say that Pakistan’s long-term connections with the Mujahideen groups in Afghanistan were established through ‘coolies’ and ‘porters’? Do you ever engage your brain before you type? The majority of the resistance was trained in Pakistan, and that included men from the country itself. Do you think a national mobilisation on such a grand scale would involve a couple of schoolboys and labourers? It’s funny how you jump up and down like an epileptic monkey when talking about Pakistani regulars working with mujahideen in Kargil, but for some reason you can’t seem to digest that the same was done in Afghanistan. LOL…well that’s just a tribute to your own ineptitude, which really isn’t my problem.
Haha, another excellent argument coming from you – trying to lecture me on munitions dependency. You really don’t have a clue, do you?
Problems plague advanced light helicopter Dhruv
http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/aug/05/slide-show-1-problems-plague-advanced-light-helicopter-dhruv.htm
You can’t even get your birds up in the air when they are 90% foreign.
There’s so much more to choose from.
MiG-21 fighter jet crashes in eastern India
http://en.trend.az/regions/world/ocountries/1732617.html
“Accidents involving Soviet-designed MiG-21 fighter jets, known as the Bahadhur (Brave) in the IAF, which were produced in India under license and have been in operation for several decades, are frequent in the country.”
Well, I’d have to agree, the pilots must be ‘brave’ – jumping into a flying coffin can’t be easy. Even the Russians, who sold you these pieces of junk, do not have an attrition rate as bad as yours. Says as much about your ‘pilots’ as it does about your shoddy defence industry.
MIG-27 Black Box found, crash toll rises to four
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mig27-black-box-found-crash-toll-rises-to-three/651426/
You guys are record breakers when it comes to destroying yourselves in foreign-made aircraft, and you have the nerve to look beyond your borders to preach to others. There are so many more links to offer, but I’m looking forward to your reply so I can use them later.
All you really have to offer is this shallow boast about Hindustani aid, and the funny thing is, your nauseating self-appraisal is actually proving my point – the last thing on New Delhi’s mind when offering the ‘aid’ was humanitarian welfare; how can a country kill off 1,000,000 female babies a year and claim to give a damn about humanity? The ‘aid’ was purely a cheap stunt to make Hindustanis like you regain some self-esteem by using the chance to gloat about it. Well as I said before, Islamabad is currently housing the most pro-Hindustani government you will ever see – so massage your unstable ego while you can, because when the next earthquake hits your ‘country’, you will take Pakistani aid like good children, just as you did last time.
Ah, ‘Stevie’ needs another history lesson. Have all you libraries been burnt down over there?
1948 – your ‘army’ moved in to claim THE WHOLE of Kashmir, but a ragtag band of tribesmen defended a third of it – crucially, we maintained our land link to China. This was despite the fact that our British C-in-C refused his orders to send troops in earlier. In 1962, the Chinese spanked you all over the Himalayas and took a chunk of the land for themselves. Pakistan later gifted some more to them under your noses. To this day, the ‘Hindustani’ ’stronghold’ of the valley chants patriotic Pakistani slogans to remind your ’soldiers’ how secure their ‘victory’ actually is. Yes, well done.
1965: LOL…your favourite subject, Grand Slam. You remind me of a lazy schoolboy who has revised only one subject for an exam, so when he starts the test he tries to relate everything back to that one topic. It’s actually quite cute.
The assault on Akhnoor was a success, and was impeded only by Hindustan breaching the official border in contravention of international law. I think this must be the twentieth time I have reminded you of this, and through all your hysterical replies I’m yet to have found a decent answer. So go away and learn something new before trying to file this as ‘resistance’.
Your link from the retired Brigadier actually reinforces my point – through a calamity of errors, the Pakistani attack on Hindustan was stalled. In fact, throughout your whole cherry-picked source, there is no real mention of any decent Hindustani resistance, only mistakes on the Pakistani side. So thank you…you just proved my point. You’re becoming quite good at that, aren’t you?
There is nothing that Israel, or any nation for that matter, can learn from Hindustan. I’m sorry to burst your bubble, I really am.
Amnesty International Report 2010 – India
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,,IND,,4c03a824c,0.html
“In Kashmir, police and paramilitary forces killed one man and injured 150 people during a protest in June. Demonstrators were demanding an independent investigation into allegations of paramilitary forces’ involvement in the sexual assault and murder of two women at Shopian, amidst reports of attempts to suppress evidence of sexual assault. An inquiry by the Central Bureau of Investigation concluded that no sexual assault took place and that the women had drowned, prompting calls for an independent investigation.”
No documented reports of the murderous IDF using sexual abuse as a tool of oppresion. Not even they stoop to that depth. I repeat – there is NOTHING that they can learn from your kind.
As for the ISI, actually yes I am reasonably sure that they are working closely with the Maoists – you’re the one being naive, thinking that these landless peasants have any pride in calling themselves Hindustani! Seriously, do they need to drop a bomb on your head for you to realise that they are fighting for complete freedom? LOL…even as they are picking off state forces at will, you have the nerve to suggest that they feel some pride in being shackled to your nation.
LOL – you and your stupid, counter-productive links. You make life so easy for me, with your sloppy rebuttals.
http://www.topnews.in/if-taliban-attack-india-we-ll-fight-them-say-maoists-2226053
Kishenji is speaking out against the same terror that is crippling Pakistan – how does that show any solidarity with Hindustan? Even the idea of the TTP attacking Hindustan is the product of paranoia and insecurity, which is the staple diet for confused Hindustanis like you.
“Kishenji, however, has claimed that the banned Communist Party of India (Maoist) or CPI (Maoist) has strong ties with ultra-Left wing and alleged terrorist outfits, including Kashmiri separatists, from at least 36 countries.”
There’s your great patriot! LOL!
According to the senior Maoist spokespersons, the real ‘patriots’ are those carrying out attacks against the government security forces. There is nothing in your article to suggest that they would reject ISI help and training.
By the way…if you are so relaxed about the huge insurgency in your ‘country’, why did your Prime Minister call it the single greatest internal threat to the ‘nation’? Your sense of denial is truly astounding if you think this is a small-scale affair.
To be honest, ‘Steve’, you need another holiday. You were at your most effective when you weren’t even here.
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hi i m pakistani muslim..dear v hav to accept the might and power of hindustan…india is far far ahead thn pak..by 2050 it wll count in top three nation of the world ..v shud forget kashmir bcz v dnt hav enough power to take it..if war happens thn our own origin wll come in to stake..v cant match the indian millitary strength..its better v try to resolve our own problem rather interfare in others…i hav many indian frnda they even dnt consider pak as their enemy bt look toward china as their main competitor.
@ hindustani pride,
It’s always a sad sign of cowardice when you sign in under a false identity and try to peddle a cheap argument like the one you have done. Try telling me how your cesspool country will be in the Top Three by 2050 (LOL) when their social indicators haven’t improved in over TWENTY YEARS – and that’s despite the fact that the Brahmin Boom has been going on for around a decade now…no answer for that?
LOL – why look at China as competitors? Why not compete with the US? Actually why not compete with the US and the EU put together?! You are nothing compared to the Chinese, my friend, no matter how much weed you smoke!
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Hey, nice site you got here! Keep up the excellent job
@Architect,
Lets go down the familiar path again!
Selectivity and amnesia!! Or perhaps delusions do leave a mark on the brain.
Check your words in your reply to @ Amit, Teheran has ‘washed’ its hand of India!!
I really sense the angst and frustration when you use emotive words.
India a super power! Why are Pakistanis the ones who most often use this word?
Is it scary paranoia! ‘May heavens forbid what if it actually happens’!!!!!!
We were talking about Indian investments in another country and you start talking about the motives why USA is investing in India!!! Kamal hai!!
Yaar, you stick to social indicators if you love stats!
Just because things are so bad in Pakistan or its leaders are incapable of enabling Pakistan progress does not mean that things are static elsewhere too!
And Shining India!!!!! I really wonder why a slogan by a BJP govt. 6-7 years ago finds such resonance in Pakistan!!!
Now coming to the famed IPI:-
My elaboration on the Indian petroleum sector was only a reply to your crack on how we can dream about building a pipeline and comparing it to a sports track.
I really like it when Pakistanis try to needle us by telling how we are dwarfed by China and Japan.; reveals their inner fears and a shame of where others are going and where they stand.
We still have a company that is 4th largest Oil EP in India co AHEAD of Japan and 3 positions behind China and that has built the largest refinery of the world.
Its scary for Pakistan, if that’s what being done with all their ‘social indicators’ now, what are they goanna do in the future!
And what your take on energy is I have little idea. All we know is that a sign of industrialisation and development is the scale of energy requirements and the energy infrastructure in a country.
If you do not have development why will you need energy?
And overproducing Indian Masses!
Never seen a Pakistani so ignorant about his own country! Pakistan population growth rate BTW is 2.4% and India’s 1.4%!!!So better worry about your end pls!
The most amusing things to come from your side is the claim on India’s subservience to the USA.
And it comes from the citizen of a place, which allows the US free access to its territory, allows bases, territorial incursions and public berating by US leaders!
Have you seen how the US visitors address your leader and press!!
And all the while a drone coolly comes across Pak borders and kills supposed Taliban and a dozen Pak citizens along with it.
In our place democracy works!
India does not run at the whims of one general or a sham democracy!
The nuclear liability bill got changes due to opposition political parties!
http://nvs-stream.com/2010/08/12/business-cost-to-rise-as-india-tweaks-nuclear-bill/
Indian nuclear capability (if there!)Being bartered away!No we don’t worry. Indian democracy ensures, unlike Pakistan that the country is notrun at the whims and fancy of one power group!It is the opposition that ensured several safeguards in the Nuclear Deal with USA.The Nuke liability bill has been passed and now the Nuke deal is operational.
And Nuke capabilities (being there at all??!! We have had it since 74!
This brings me to another typical Pak trait when it comes to India DENIAL!
Like the funny thing is Pakistan always cite the Indo-US agreement while hankering for its own deal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7648435.stm
So in case of Pak it will be a win all situation BUT India is bartering away her sovreignity!!!
Wow!
There is a sense of desperation, a feeling which comes from a paranoia!
So scary is the thought of an India as a large and growing economy and the consequent clout that comes in that a self –assurance is sought to be built.
It ranges from denials and how India is not fit to be a big economy or power due to its ‘social indicators’, poverty, incompetence, weaknesses etc etc!All its capabilities are attributed to Russia or the US or to Timbuktu and what ever else India does is actually useless. Its economy is hollow, all a sham a slogan!
It’s a desperate and pathetic attempt to reassure Pakistan, no we are still out there, and we are in the race! The desperation is accentuated by the niggling feeling of how the Indian growth story is not being braked.
Pakistan has tried it all in Kashmir, war, covert action, Kargil, diplomatic moves But nothing works!
Even the UN seems to backtrack when India makes a noise.
Kargil, Kashmir were supposed to drain and tire India! Instead India goes through two decades of continuous growth.
The hundreds of supposed ‘insurgencies ‘ in India seem neither to destabilise its political systems or the economy. India consolidates, grows!!
And what do you come up with!!
Chimney failure!!!
Man your logic on failure astounds me.
Every project or product at times meets such conditions or factors, which at times lead to failure. You conveniently forget that there are hundreds of other such chimney built and being operated.
This can only come from a country and people who do not wish to progress or build anything on their own or simply rely on handouts from daddies like China and USA.
So according to your enlightened thinking!
Toyota does not know how to build cars!!!
http://www.bsmotoring.com/news/toyota-recalls-113-mn-cars-in-us-for-engine-problem/2482/1
The Chinese cannot build anything decent products!!
Chinese locomotives found defective:
http://www.dawn.com/2005/03/05/top6.htm
Interesting you guys buy rail locos on Loan from
Locos! You cannot even buy railway engines yourselves!!!!!
‘they find themselves in a desperate situation after failure of the Chinese locomotives, and refusal of the Chinese company to honour the warranty on the already purchased engines,’
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201087\story_7-8-2010_pg7_10
You guys cannot even get your best buddies to honour their contracts with you.
Man, guy does not see the hundred of others chimneys built and standing!!!
Why don’t you see Pakistan, which the other in the last two decades has gone through tumult, military coup, civilian democracy, political assassinations, rise of extremism, natural disasters, you name it and Pakistan got it!
Desperately aware that Pakistan as n idea, the two –nation theory actually collapsed long back in 1971.
Now the hope is pinned on another, the great Maoists!!! Maybe they will be the next big hope for Pakistan!!
And denial of US pressure on Pakistan!
Who are you trying to fool with the orchestrated dramas scripted in Washington!!!!!!
Your link itself states:
‘’However, the Pakistani military and intelligence leadership turned down the officials’ demand, saying Pakistani military authorities could interrogate Adnan, but the Americans could help in posing questions’’
What a laugh!
Talk about Fig Leafs!
The FBI and CIA are already present in Pakistan in droves.
On the IPI pipeline, as well as the Haqqani networks Pakistan’s choices will depend on 2 things1) China and 2) the desperation of US in Afghanistan
Bit in any case as local Pakistani observers themselves note, very little Pak can do to stave of US pressure.
‘However, most people remain sceptical about Pakistan’s ability to withstand US pressure, which remains determined to discourage us. Over the past weeks, the US has begun to ratchet up pressure on foreign governments, international energy companies and major lending agencies to reduce involvement in Iran.’’
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/editorial/ipi-project-and-the-us-280
As I have said, Pakistan is only allowed to play on the compulsions and strategic space offered by the bigger powers.
With Guys like Zardari, Gilani and an American backed General you actually think your words have any meaning!!!
Another comment of your for the funny pages is USA is investing in India only as a prop against China!!
And so by your logic when Indian Companies are investing in USA, they are propping it up? Against who! Mexico!!!!
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-50640820100805
IN 2007 India was the SECONG LARGEST investor in UK after USA!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6599693.stm
So India is propping the UK against Ummmmm Ireland perhaps!!!!
You stick to social indicators, while the world zooms out of your sight!!!!!!
The only investment in UK that Pakistan makes if of the Bomber kind!!!!!
Man are you ignorant!!!!
It would be easier to make a kindergarten kid understand!!! You still are going on about the IPI pipeline! Pakistan is in the league of customers!
Only countries, which have alternatives and a bargaining, position ‘drag their heels’.
Pakistan is used to desperation that it will grab at whatever comes its way.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LH25Df01.html
Ahh the piddly pipeline!
Yeah I did call the pipeline Piddly, actually I should have called the level of your awareness piddly.
EVER hear of LNG Ships!!! Errr they are slightly bigger than pigeons!!
Perhaps Pakistan uses it or maybe sheep or mules to transport its gas or the hot gas that emanates from various orifices , but others use this!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNG_carrier
Or maybe you do not know since all your oil imports are in any case is subsidised by the Saudis.
India has several LNG terminals on its west coast. Where do you think the Gas from Iran is coming to at this moment?
You actually think we are not using gas at this moment due to the lack of the Iranian -Pakistani (er piddly) pipeline!!!
Man your sense of the importance and relevance of Pakistan (apart from a geo-political hotspot/nuisance) fascinates me.
Yes, piped gas would be cheaper BUT the higher price and insurance +other problems due to security related problems in Pakistan do not make it such a great advantage.
In fact experts have long argued that the issue of security with Pakistan will probably be around for decades so its better to avoid the IPI altogether.
‘Given these problems, it would be reasonable to go in for an alternative more secure system of gas supply via liquefied natural gas (LNG). This mode of supply would be more expensive than the pipeline route, due to the investments required in the supply chain, such as liquefaction plants, tankers, terminals, and re-gasification plants. However, it would offer certain advantages.’’
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/12/10/stories/2008121050010800.htm
OIC :
will reiterate it’s a joke, a talking shop and I doubt if the OIC ever has succeeded in anything it has done.
It a feel good club. Most of the nations go there, talk and pass resolutions and are very happy.
And they go back to resume their relations with Israel, give bases to the USA to attack supposedly fellow Muslim countries(was Iraq attacked from bases in the moon),buy arms from the Russians etc etc!!!
Bah, they should disband it and spend the money on something more useful.
I know what Pakistan keeps on cooking up on Kashmir. But your take on the shias is amazing.
You consistently ignore article after article (BY Pakistanis) that OP Grand Slam failed due to LACK of local support. AND yet you spew our reams on how ‘mujaheddins’’got support in Kashmir!!!
Your fantasies on Shias notwithstanding, here is the welcome a Pakistani terrorist in Kashmir got !
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2009/9/48336_space.html
‘’Displaying rare courage, a 20-year-old Kashmiri woman axed to death an armed Lashkar-e-Toiba commander and then, along with her 18-year-old brother, snatched guns and opened fire on two other militants, wounding one and forcing them to flee.’’
Note that the incident happened in Rajouri,which ahs a fair bit of Shias.The woman is a Shia.
Your representatives in the valley may shout all they want about Pakistan!!
We know what they really are!!
Being a Pakistani Muslim? So are you a higher standard Muslim or keepers of the true faith!
Keep that sort of drivel to yourself!
WE have enough Muslims in India and we never see any sort of shia-sunni strife amongst them of the kind in Pakistan. You think Shias of Kashmir are blind and deaf that they do not know what is happening in Pakistan and amongst muslim civilians killed by terrorists the largest section are of shias.
What makes me really fascinated is when you talk about Indian fascism.Wow this comes from a country, which constitutionally forbids NON-MUSLIMS from the highest post in Pakistan. Which OFFICIALLY declares certain Pakistani citizens like ahmadis, Qadianis as apostates.Which does not allow any religious conversions! And that too to a miniscule tiny minority.
And here you deride the protection of land of Kashmir,one of the most important concessions available under the Indian constitution to the Kashmiri’s. India can flood the valley with immigrants any time.
Who will stop it? You ? The kashmiris.
Have we pushed all the Kashmiris out,has there been ethnic cleansing?
Pakistan assumes that what it and you bleat on Kashmir is the absolute truth. You wonder why the world or EVEN the Muslim world does nor react more forcefully.
Has any Muslim or other nation broken relations with India on Kashmir. Hell, even Pakistan doesn’t not do it to our misfortune.
Are they fools or blind ? They realise there is a problem in Kashmir BUT they also realise how different the problem is. The Kashmir’s enjoy as many freedoms and privileges as any other Indian state+more on account of special protection given to it.
A large part of J&K apart from the valley, is NOT AT all affected by the violence.
Downtown Srinagar or the districts bordering J&K do NOT make up J&K.
DID you note the lady who killed the terrorist. She was in Rajouri, an area with fair shia presence. You think the pak terrorist or their supporters get support all over J&K.
I repeat apart from the valley and it adjoining district, the separatist go nowhere als for their protests.
So is this area by itself speaking for J&K as a whole.
You would like to believe it!But on the ground the situation is not so!
Nehru’s Kashmiri advisor!!!
You are unable to read aren’t you!!!!
Did I not tell you that elements have tried to play the communal card since the days of the Kashmiri Rajas. You forget that Kashmir was ruled by Non-Muslim Rajas for long and elements in the valley have long tried to exploit it claiming discrimination at the hands of the ruling class Dogras etc .So what so surprising about anti India feeling in parts of the the valley in 1964.
Do you not know the history of the princely sate of J&K. Look it up and you will get an insight into the complex issue that is Kashmir.
And wow here the guy is lecturing on religious tolerance.
Even after the riots many Muslims stayed on in Gujarat .But in the valley all kashmiri pandits have been ethnically cleansed. That is the tolerance of the valley Muslims.
Where do they get their inspiration from?Off course being the flag bearers
of Pakistan(as you put it) from instances like these.
Even time of its greatest disaster, the floods now, Pakistanis discriminate on the basis of religion!!
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20108\27\story_27-8-2010_pg1_7
‘About 200,000 Christian refugees in Punjab and about 600,000 Christians and Hindus in Sindh are affected by the phenomenon, Fides said, citing NGO sources on the ground. “Christian refugees are often ignored. They are purposely not identified and registered. Thus, they are automatically excluded from any healthcare or food, as they supposedly do not exist,” said a local NGO worker. Afp’
And you wonder why the image of Pakistan (apart from that in your imagination) is so low and so reviled by some.
With which one of your many faces do you preach on human rights and freedom?
Space Programme:
Russia investing in Indian space and India not launching its own indigenous satellite!
What on Gods earth do you think will Russia invest money in the Indian Space programme!!!
After the collapse of the Soviet Union the Russian space programme collapsed due to financial problems. They just staggered along through the 1990s and the 200s.Only since 2007 are they having some hopes. They had to even resort to desperate practices like space tourism!!
Man where do you live in a cave!!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Federal_Space_Agency
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/10/01/217401/russian-space-industry-rises-again.html
And India yet to launch an indigenous satellite as yet!!!!
WOOOOOOOWWW this is the height of denial! ‘Boss all their satellites have to be Russian’!!!!
India builds and launches every kind of satellite from communications, weather, military, remote sensing the lot .
Listen kid (you have to be one) launching a rocket is not like you light a fuse and it goes whoosh up!!!
Its not that simple or everybody could do it!
Ever heard of ISRO.Just go through this!
http://www.isro.org/scripts/milestones.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Space_Research_Organisation
Forget Indian space agencies, Our Engineering college STUDENTS build satellites that are launched!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StudSat
We are setting up our own GPS nav systems<GAGAN
http://www.techtree.com/India/News/India_Gearing_Up_for_GAGAN_Launch/551-112586-547.html
Yaar! stay on the ground, with your denials while others fly far ahead!!!!
Perhaps plead it is Russian or US or Israeli or how its not a toilet needed ‘desperately by millions of Indians’!!!!!
Advance light helicopter!
120 of this class have been made since 2002.
8 foreign other countries use it!
Name me one Copter, which has not had issues or has nor crashed!
Regards foreign, you really do not know much about aviation. Check some of the Chinese helos, read WHERE the consultancy has come from, WHERE the engine is from etc etc, which foreign assistance is being taken;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAIC_WZ-10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_EC-120
A country takes up total indigenisation when the economics and financial viability make for such a requirement.
As our capabilities mature, we get more customers and its become financially viable we will build more and develop more in India.
Man I have never seen a person so ignorant about such a cross section of issues!
If one goes by your defeatist way of thinking no country would be ever try to start to make anything!
MIG –21-27sA lot of Russian aircraft were taken by India in the soviet days and they are aging and unfortunately early Russian planes do not age well. But more modern aircraft such as Mig –29s,Mirages, Su-30 MKI, things are much better.
Have you checked your F-7P record
BTW also check what other air forces are upto:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_military_aircraft_%282000%E2%80%93present%29
Flying military aircraft is one of the most hazardous of activities.
IAF does not stand out at all!
As usual you seem to be more worried about something that we do not find so intimidating.
BTW did you know that as a % the PAF is the worst operator of the C-130 transport!
It has lost 4 of these large transports ON the GROUND itself!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C-130_Hercules_crashes#.C2.A0Pakistan
Man! were those guys were thinking they were driving cars or aircraft!!!!!!
Kashmir conflict:
At least we have libraries to burn!!! Seeing your myths perhaps they do not exist at all in Pakistan!!
Rag Tag bunch in Kashmir!!
http://www.defencejournal.com/2001/august/anatomy.htm
I really wonder which pak army is he talking about in the first Kashmir war!
Your gloat that Pakistan handed over some Kashmir land to China is a perfect example of your ignorance! No wonder you guys get now here and end up nowhere, used and dumped!
Did you not know that one of the major counter arguments pushed by India against the UN resolutions/plebiscite is that Pakistan has ALREADY changed the character of the area (by land transfer). Talk about shooting oneself in the foot!!!
BTW the status of Gilgit and other such areas is yet to be determined as in relation to the Kashmir dispute.
No wonder Pakistan is seen by most as a country incapable of adhering to international agreements, not to be trusted and double faced !!!It wails and cries to heavens OOOHH Kashmir is disputed listen to us and on side hand of part of the supposed disputed area to another.
Wonder how your schizophrenic approach to the Taliban has come about!
Deceit has always been a part of the Pakistan ethos!
Who trained the mujaheedin in Afghanistan!! !
Going by what happens to the jehadis types from across in Kashmir I doubt if could have been Pakistan!
The Afghans actually managed to get the Russians out of Afghanistan!
But on a serious note, have I not told you who provided that labour and the land!!!
And who provided the Money, weapons and funding!!!
1965 war.
Ever heard of being blind as a bat and deaf as a post!!!
You consistently ignore article after article (BY Pakistani writers) that OP Grand Slam failed due to LACK of local support and that the 1965 war was initiated by us!
Oooof the ignorance. Funny we were talking about no resistance by India and this guy here gets a brainwave that Akhnoor could not be taken due to the Indian attack across the IB.
When people( with even the smallest amount of brain matter) make a choice to go to war, one expects the others side retaliates.
And seriously, I have posted on many a pak forum, BUT never have I come across such a harebrained and idiotic contention that a country cannot cross it borders in a war!!!
Helloooo, is there a brain there.
GET THIS INTO YOUR HEAD!!!
India fights her wars as per her plans. The state of J&K is considered Indian Territory, so an attack on it is an attack on India. India will not go by the fantasies and delusions which may cloud the Pakistani leadership on what is Kashmir and what is Akhnoor . We did what we had to do.
Your leaders incompetence ( as usual) led to what you did in 1965.
India has always claimed that it was the Northern Light Infantry which took up position in Kargils. What is this irregular force you talk about?
And aid during the earthquake,we took it because, first sending 200 tents and 2000 blankets was symbolical so no issues and second we do not have such an inferiority complex that accepting aid from Pakistan as a neighbour will cause our nation and civilisation to collapse.
Naxalites and ISI.
That is the problem when as usual you do not apply your head.
Naxals enjoy support of many intellectual and educated in India because they are looked on as some sort of Robin Hood fighting for the poor and exploited. The police and Para-miliatry are targeted as a part of that state machinery.
Many state Govt .like Bihar and Jharkhand see the movement in having genuine ground like displacement of tribals, deforestation, alienation from land, unemployment,illegal mining etc.
Let me remind you that the Naxals want communism in India, a social revolution They are not secessionists.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/sotn-majority-feel-naxals-demands-genuine/128735-37-64.html?from=RHS
BUT the moment an ISI or a Pakistan link is actually found, it will take the character of an anti-national movement.
In fact Naxals dismiss any such allegations as propaganda to discredit the movement.
Social support will not be easy if what is supposed to be a movement of the poor turns out to have links with anti-national elements. It will also make the idea of using greater force against the naxals easier. Presently several elements/political opposes use of heavy force due to the social roots of Naxalism.
Kishanjis link to Kashmiris etc!
True blood commi could not resist the message of world revolution like Soviet Russia.
But no evidence of this has been yet found incase of Kashmir or other places.
The naxals are a thinking and intelligent lot!
And the PMs comment of naxalism the greatest internal threat Here I go again !
Off course it is!!!
The North East of India is quite as of now. There are sporadic incidents like ambushes and blasts but nothing really on a sustained large scale.
Kashmir (apart from the stones in srinagar) remains the quietest in years as far as armed jihadis terrorism goes. Most major outfits stand eliminated and fresh infiltrators do not last long, except for the lucky few ,most end up dead in weeks.
So what else is left which is on a sustained basis as of now! Naxalism.
YET it is not the Pakistani idea of nightmare that you would so like it to be!
Check our PMs approach!
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pm-rules-out-use-of-armed-forces-against-naxals/527710/0
‘Refusing to bracket Naxals with terrorists, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Sunday ruled out use of armed forces against them and said that the government is willing to hold talks with them if they abjured violence.’
I tell you once again, the resources and sustaining power,the population and geographical spread of India makes things very different for us.
We do not have to run with a sense of entitlement to the west to give funds for WOT or fight internal threats!
I am sure you liked it when I was away.
A delusional stupor can be pleasurable to some!
bhai why such a long reply.do u think u should spend so much writing on a country which is ranked 10 as the most failed state.We r a super power so it does not fit in to our ego to comment on a country like Pakistan. They r way behind us. So lets stop commenting on these people who belong to a backward country.A country which the world loves to hate. Yaar hum baht aage badh chuke hai inse .Ye hamere standard ke log nahi hai. THIS IS TO ALL THE PAKISTANIS WHO KNOW PROPER ENGLISH- MIGHT IS RIGHT AND SOMETHING IN HINDI- ALWAYS REMEMBER – BAAP HAMESHA BAAP REHTA HAI AUR AGE BHI RAHEGA. Pakistanis u feel frustrated .That is natural.U guys have not developed . so naturally u will abuse us to cool down ur ego.Keep on doing this.while we grow both economically and militarily.my BEST FRIENDS ARE MUSLIMS AND THEY SAY THIS OPENLY THAT THEY ARE LUCKY THEIR FORE FATHERS DID NOT MIGRATE TO PAKISTAN.OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER DEVELOPED, THE WAY THEY HAVE DEVELOPED IN INDIA . Boys ground reality about India is totally different.U Pakistanis will never know what real India is.
@ rahul,
You see, people like you are the reason why I love logging onto this website. Any Pakistani website will always have a handful of Hindustani dreamers crawling around, calling themselves a ’superpower’…well I’m going to take your advice – instead of wasting my time educating you, I would humbly request that you try doing some self-study and go through the links I have provided on the social depravity that exists in your ’superpower’. Try asking yourself why people are hoisting the Chand Sitara up in parts of your ’superpower’, if they’re so happy to be called Hindustani. Try asking your (made-up) Muslim friends about how proud they were to be Hindustani when state security forces were breaking down the doors of Muslim households and gangraping their women before killing everyone – all without being brought to justice.
Those are a few challenges for you Rahul – when you’ve had some answers, come back to me and we’ll chat.
A
Sir…an excellent write up. ….the problem with Pakis is that their survival is solely dependant on creating an artificial enemy..i.e. India, in this case, being a Hindu majority secular country. If they had shared the borders with the Communist Chinese, they would have whined similarly….but not for long!!! For many of us, the Indian Muslims, India is a great place to be born and live. Jai Hind!
@ Insaf,
I thinkl we’ve established that you and your kind have ABSOLUTELY no idea what ‘the problem’ with Pakistanis is…had you known what our problems were, you wouldn’t have had to suffer the humiliation of 1947, would you?
As for China, wake up and smell the coffee princess – we do share a border with them. The difference between us and you is that we don’t try picking fights that we can’t finish…and yes, I’m referring to 1962, when the Red Army handed your @ss back to you on a silver plate. Never seen any Bollywood films made about that episode, have ya?!
A
@Architect,
Lets go down the familiar path again!
Selectivity and amnesia!! Or perhaps delusions do leave a mark on the brain.
Check your words in your reply to @ Amit, Teheran has ‘washed’ its hand of India!!
I really sense the angst and frustration when you use emotive words.
India a super power! Why are Pakistanis the ones who most often use this word?
Is it scary paranoia! ‘May heavens forbid what if it actually happens’!!!!!!
We were talking about Indian investments in another country and you start talking about the motives why USA is investing in India!!! Kamal hai!!
Yaar, you stick to social indicators if you love stats!
Just because things are so bad in Pakistan or its leaders are incapable of enabling Pakistan progress does not mean that things are static elsewhere too!
And Shining India!!!!! I really wonder why a slogan by a BJP govt. 6-7 years ago finds such resonance in Pakistan!!!
Now coming to the famed IPI:-
My elaboration on the Indian petroleum sector was only a reply to your crack on how we can dream about building a pipeline and comparing it to a sports track.
I really like it when Pakistanis try to needle us by telling how we are dwarfed by China and Japan.; reveals their inner fears and a shame of where others are going and where they stand.
We still have a company that is 4th largest Oil EP in India co AHEAD of Japan and 3 positions behind China and that has built the largest refinery of the world.
Its scary for Pakistan, if that’s what being done with all their ‘social indicators’ now, what are they goanna do in the future!
And what your take on energy is I have little idea. All we know is that a sign of industrialisation and development is the scale of energy requirements and the energy infrastructure in a country.
If you do not have development why will you need energy?
And overproducing Indian Masses!
Never seen a Pakistani so ignorant about his own country! Pakistan population growth rate BTW is 2.4% and India’s 1.4%!!!So better worry about your end pls!
The most amusing things to come from your side is the claim on India’s subservience to the USA.
And it comes from the citizen of a place, which allows the US free access to its territory, allows bases, territorial incursions and public berating by US leaders!
Have you seen how the US visitors address your leader and press!!
And all the while a drone coolly comes across Pak borders and kills supposed Taliban and a dozen Pak citizens along with it.
In our place democracy works!
India does not run at the whims of one general or a sham democracy!
The nuclear liability bill got changes due to opposition political parties!
http://nvs-stream.com/2010/08/12/business-cost-to-rise-as-india-tweaks-nuclear-bill/
Indian nuclear capability (if there!)Being bartered away!No we don’t worry. Indian democracy ensures, unlike Pakistan that the country is notrun at the whims and fancy of one power group!It is the opposition that ensured several safeguards in the Nuclear Deal with USA.The Nuke liability bill has been passed and now the Nuke deal is operational.
And Nuke capabilities (being there at all??!! We have had it since 74!
This brings me to another typical Pak trait when it comes to India DENIAL!
There is a sense of desperation, a feeling which comes from a paranoia!
So scary is the thought of an India as a large and growing economy and the consequent clout that comes in that a self –assurance is sought to be built.
It ranges from denials and how India is not fit to be a big economy or power due to its ‘social indicators’, poverty, incompetence, weaknesses etc etc!All its capabilities are attributed to Russia or the US or to Timbuktu and what ever else India does is actually useless. Its economy is hollow, all a sham a slogan!
It’s a desperate and pathetic attempt to reassure Pakistan, no we are still out there, and we are in the race! The desperation is accentuated by the niggling feeling of how the Indian growth story is not being braked.
Pakistan has tried it all in Kashmir, war, covert action, Kargil, diplomatic moves But nothing works!
Even the UN seems to backtrack when India makes a noise.
Kargil, Kashmir were supposed to drain and tire India! Instead India goes through two decades of continuous growth.
The hundreds of supposed ‘insurgencies ‘ in India seem neither to destabilise its political systems or the economy. India consolidates, grows!!
And what do you come up with!!
Chimney failure!!!
Man your logic on failure astounds me.
Every project or product at times meets such conditions or factors, which at times lead to failure. You conveniently forget that there are hundreds of other such chimney built and being operated.
This can only come from a country and people who do not wish to progress or build anything on their own or simply rely on handouts from daddies like China and USA.
So according to your enlightened thinking!
Toyota does not know how to build cars!!!
http://www.bsmotoring.com/news/toyota-recalls-113-mn-cars-in-us-for-engine-problem/2482/1
The Chinese cannot build anything decent products!!
Chinese locomotives found defective:
http://www.dawn.com/2005/03/05/top6.htm
Interesting you guys buy rail locos on Loan from
Locos! You cannot even buy railway engines yourselves!!!!!
‘they find themselves in a desperate situation after failure of the Chinese locomotives, and refusal of the Chinese company to honour the warranty on the already purchased engines,’
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201087\story_7-8-2010_pg7_10
You guys cannot even get your best buddies to honour their contracts with you.
Man, guy does not see the hundred of others chimneys built and standing!!!
Why don’t you see Pakistan, which the other in the last two decades has gone through tumult, military coup, civilian democracy, political assassinations, rise of extremism, natural disasters, you name it and Pakistan got it!
Desperately aware that Pakistan as n idea, the two –nation theory actually collapsed long back in 1971.
Now the hope is pinned on another, the great Maoists!!! Maybe they will be the next big hope for Pakistan!!
And denial of US pressure on Pakistan!
Who are you trying to fool with the orchestrated dramas scripted in Washington!!!!!!
Your link itself states:
‘’However, the Pakistani military and intelligence leadership turned down the officials’ demand, saying Pakistani military authorities could interrogate Adnan, but the Americans could help in posing questions’’
What a laugh!
Talk about Fig Leafs!
The FBI and CIA are already present in Pakistan in droves.
On the IPI pipeline, as well as the Haqqani networks Pakistan’s choices will depend on 2 things1) China and 2) the desperation of US in Afghanistan
Bit in any case as local Pakistani observers themselves note, very little Pak can do to stave of US pressure.
‘However, most people remain sceptical about Pakistan’s ability to withstand US pressure, which remains determined to discourage us. Over the past weeks, the US has begun to ratchet up pressure on foreign governments, international energy companies and major lending agencies to reduce involvement in Iran.’’
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/editorial/ipi-project-and-the-us-280
As I have said, Pakistan is only allowed to play on the compulsions and strategic space offered by the bigger powers.
With Guys like Zardari, Gilani and an American backed General you actually think your words have any meaning!!!
Another comment of your for the funny pages is USA is investing in India only as a prop against China!!
And so by your logic when Indian Companies are investing in USA, they are propping it up? Against who! Mexico!!!!
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-50640820100805
IN 2007 India was the SECONG LARGEST investor in UK after USA!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6599693.stm
So India is propping the UK against Ummmmm Ireland perhaps!!!!
You stick to social indicators, while the world zooms out of your sight!!!!!!
The only investment in UK that Pakistan makes if of the Bomber kind!!!!!
Man are you ignorant!!!!
It would be easier to make a kindergarten kid understand!!! You still are going on about the IPI pipeline! Pakistan is in the league of customers!
Only countries, which have alternatives and a bargaining, position ‘drag their heels’.
Pakistan is used to desperation that it will grab at whatever comes its way.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LH25Df01.html
Ahh the piddly pipeline!
Yeah I did call the pipeline Piddly, actually I should have called the level of your awareness piddly.
EVER hear of LNG Ships!!! Errr they are slightly bigger than pigeons!!
Perhaps Pakistan uses it or maybe sheep or mules to transport its gas or the hot gas that emanates from various orifices , but others use this!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNG_carrier
Or maybe you do not know since all your oil imports are in any case is subsidised by the Saudis.
India has several LNG terminals on its west coast. Where do you think the Gas from Iran is coming to at this moment?
You actually think we are not using gas at this moment due to the lack of the Iranian -Pakistani (er piddly) pipeline!!!
Man your sense of the importance and relevance of Pakistan (apart from a geo-political hotspot/nuisance) fascinates me.
Yes, piped gas would be cheaper BUT the higher price and insurance +other problems due to security related problems in Pakistan do not make it such a great advantage.
In fact experts have long argued that the issue of security with Pakistan will probably be around for decades so its better to avoid the IPI altogether.
‘Given these problems, it would be reasonable to go in for an alternative more secure system of gas supply via liquefied natural gas (LNG). This mode of supply would be more expensive than the pipeline route, due to the investments required in the supply chain, such as liquefaction plants, tankers, terminals, and re-gasification plants. However, it would offer certain advantages.’’
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/12/10/stories/2008121050010800.htm
OIC :
will reiterate it’s a joke, a talking shop and I doubt if the OIC ever has succeeded in anything it has done.
It a feel good club. Most of the nations go there, talk and pass resolutions and are very happy.
And they go back to resume their relations with Israel, give bases to the USA to attack supposedly fellow Muslim countries(was Iraq attacked from bases in the moon),buy arms from the Russians etc etc!!!
Bah, they should disband it and spend the money on something more useful.
I know what Pakistan keeps on cooking up on Kashmir. But your take on the shias is amazing.
You consistently ignore article after article (BY Pakistanis) that OP Grand Slam failed due to LACK of local support. AND yet you spew our reams on how ‘mujaheddins’’got support in Kashmir!!!
Your fantasies on Shias notwithstanding, here is the welcome a Pakistani terrorist in Kashmir got !
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2009/9/48336_space.html
‘’Displaying rare courage, a 20-year-old Kashmiri woman axed to death an armed Lashkar-e-Toiba commander and then, along with her 18-year-old brother, snatched guns and opened fire on two other militants, wounding one and forcing them to flee.’’
Note that the incident happened in Rajouri,which ahs a fair bit of Shias.The woman is a Shia.
Your representatives in the valley may shout all they want about Pakistan!!
We know what they really are!!
Being a Pakistani Muslim? So are you a higher standard Muslim or keepers of the true faith!
Keep that sort of drivel to yourself!
WE have enough Muslims in India and we never see any sort of shia-sunni strife amongst them of the kind in Pakistan. You think Shias of Kashmir are blind and deaf that they do not know what is happening in Pakistan and amongst muslim civilians killed by terrorists the largest section are of shias.
What makes me really fascinated is when you talk about Indian fascism.Wow this comes from a country, which constitutionally forbids NON-MUSLIMS from the highest post in Pakistan. Which OFFICIALLY declares certain Pakistani citizens like ahmadis, Qadianis as apostates.Which does not allow any religious conversions! And that too to a miniscule tiny minority.
And here you deride the protection of land of Kashmir,one of the most important concessions available under the Indian constitution to the Kashmiri’s. India can flood the valley with immigrants any time.
Who will stop it? You ? The kashmiris.
Have we pushed all the Kashmiris out,has there been ethnic cleansing?
Pakistan assumes that what it and you bleat on Kashmir is the absolute truth. You wonder why the world or EVEN the Muslim world does nor react more forcefully.
Has any Muslim or other nation broken relations with India on Kashmir. Hell, even Pakistan doesn’t not do it to our misfortune.
Are they fools or blind ? They realise there is a problem in Kashmir BUT they also realise how different the problem is. The Kashmir’s enjoy as many freedoms and privileges as any other Indian state+more on account of special protection given to it.
A large part of J&K apart from the valley, is NOT AT all affected by the violence.
Downtown Srinagar or the districts bordering J&K do NOT make up J&K.
DID you note the lady who killed the terrorist. She was in Rajouri, an area with fair shia presence. You think the pak terrorist or their supporters get support all over J&K.
I repeat apart from the valley and it adjoining district, the separatist go nowhere als for their protests.
So is this area by itself speaking for J&K as a whole.
You would like to believe it!But on the ground the situation is not so!
Nehru’s Kashmiri advisor!!!
You are unable to read aren’t you!!!!
Did I not tell you that elements have tried to play the communal card since the days of the Kashmiri Rajas. You forget that Kashmir was ruled by Non-Muslim Rajas for long and elements in the valley have long tried to exploit it claiming discrimination at the hands of the ruling class Dogras etc .So what so surprising about anti India feeling in parts of the the valley in 1964.
Do you not know the history of the princely sate of J&K. Look it up and you will get an insight into the complex issue that is Kashmir.
And wow here the guy is lecturing on religious tolerance.
Even after the riots many Muslims stayed on in Gujarat .But in the valley all kashmiri pandits have been ethnically cleansed. That is the tolerance of the valley Muslims.
Where do they get their inspiration from?Off course being the flag bearers
of Pakistan(as you put it) from instances like these.
Even time of its greatest disaster, the floods now, Pakistanis discriminate on the basis of religion!!
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20108\27\story_27-8-2010_pg1_7
‘About 200,000 Christian refugees in Punjab and about 600,000 Christians and Hindus in Sindh are affected by the phenomenon, Fides said, citing NGO sources on the ground. “Christian refugees are often ignored. They are purposely not identified and registered. Thus, they are automatically excluded from any healthcare or food, as they supposedly do not exist,” said a local NGO worker. Afp’
And you wonder why the image of Pakistan (apart from that in your imagination) is so low and so reviled by some.
With which one of your many faces do you preach on human rights and freedom?
Space Programme:
Russia investing in Indian space and India not launching its own indigenous satellite!
What on Gods earth do you think will Russia invest money in the Indian Space programme!!!
After the collapse of the Soviet Union the Russian space programme collapsed due to financial problems. They just staggered along through the 1990s and the 200s.Only since 2007 are they having some hopes. They had to even resort to desperate practices like space tourism!!
Man where do you live in a cave!!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Federal_Space_Agency
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/10/01/217401/russian-space-industry-rises-again.html
And India yet to launch an indigenous satellite as yet!!!!
WOOOOOOOWWW this is the height of denial! ‘Boss all their satellites have to be Russian’!!!!
India builds and launches every kind of satellite from communications, weather, military, remote sensing the lot .
Listen kid (you have to be one) launching a rocket is not like you light a fuse and it goes whoosh up!!!
Its not that simple or everybody could do it!
Ever heard of ISRO.Just go through this!
http://www.isro.org/scripts/milestones.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Space_Research_Organisation
Forget Indian space agencies, Our Engineering college STUDENTS build satellites that are launched!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StudSat
We are setting up our own GPS nav systems<GAGAN
http://www.techtree.com/India/News/India_Gearing_Up_for_GAGAN_Launch/551-112586-547.html
Yaar! stay on the ground, with your denials while others fly far ahead!!!!
Perhaps plead it is Russian or US or Israeli or how its not a toilet needed ‘desperately by millions of Indians’!!!!!
Advance light helicopter!
120 of this class have been made since 2002.
8 foreign other countries use it!
Name me one Copter, which has not had issues or has nor crashed!
Regards foreign, you really do not know much about aviation. Check some of the Chinese helos, read WHERE the consultancy has come from, WHERE the engine is from etc etc, which foreign assistance is being taken;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAIC_WZ-10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_EC-120
A country takes up total indigenisation when the economics and financial viability make for such a requirement.
As our capabilities mature, we get more customers and its become financially viable we will build more and develop more in India.
Man I have never seen a person so ignorant about such a cross section of issues!
If one goes by your defeatist way of thinking no country would be ever try to start to make anything!
MIG –21-27sA lot of Russian aircraft were taken by India in the soviet days and they are aging and unfortunately early Russian planes do not age well. But more modern aircraft such as Mig –29s,Mirages, Su-30 MKI, things are much better.
Have you checked your F-7P record
BTW also check what other air forces are upto:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_military_aircraft_%282000%E2%80%93present%29
Flying military aircraft is one of the most hazardous of activities.
IAF does not stand out at all!
As usual you seem to be more worried about something that we do not find so intimidating.
BTW did you know that as a % the PAF is the worst operator of the C-130 transport!
It has lost 4 of these large transports ON the GROUND itself!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C-130_Hercules_crashes#.C2.A0Pakistan
Man! were those guys were thinking they were driving cars or aircraft!!!!!!
Kashmir conflict:
At least we have libraries to burn!!! Seeing your myths perhaps they do not exist at all in Pakistan!!
Rag Tag bunch in Kashmir!!
http://www.defencejournal.com/2001/august/anatomy.htm
I really wonder which pak army is he talking about in the first Kashmir war!
Your gloat that Pakistan handed over some Kashmir land to China is a perfect example of your ignorance! No wonder you guys get now here and end up nowhere, used and dumped!
Did you not know that one of the major counter arguments pushed by India against the UN resolutions/plebiscite is that Pakistan has ALREADY changed the character of the area (by land transfer). Talk about shooting oneself in the foot!!!
BTW the status of Gilgit and other such areas is yet to be determined as in relation to the Kashmir dispute.
No wonder Pakistan is seen by most as a country incapable of adhering to international agreements, not to be trusted and double faced !!!It wails and cries to heavens OOOHH Kashmir is disputed listen to us and on side hand of part of the supposed disputed area to another.
Wonder how your schizophrenic approach to the Taliban has come about!
Deceit has always been a part of the Pakistan ethos!
Who trained the mujaheedin in Afghanistan!! !
Going by what happens to the jehadis types from across in Kashmir I doubt if could have been Pakistan!
The Afghans actually managed to get the Russians out of Afghanistan!
But on a serious note, have I not told you who provided that labour and the land!!!
And who provided the Money, weapons and funding!!!
1965 war.
Ever heard of being blind as a bat and deaf as a post!!!
You consistently ignore article after article (BY Pakistani writers) that OP Grand Slam failed due to LACK of local support and that the 1965 war was initiated by us!
Oooof the ignorance. Funny we were talking about no resistance by India and this guy here gets a brainwave that Akhnoor could not be taken due to the Indian attack across the IB.
When people( with even the smallest amount of brain matter) make a choice to go to war, one expects the others side retaliates.
And seriously, I have posted on many a pak forum, BUT never have I come across such a harebrained and idiotic contention that a country cannot cross it borders in a war!!!
Helloooo, is there a brain there.
GET THIS INTO YOUR HEAD!!!
India fights her wars as per her plans. The state of J&K is considered Indian Territory, so an attack on it is an attack on India. India will not go by the fantasies and delusions which may cloud the Pakistani leadership on what is Kashmir and what is Akhnoor . We did what we had to do.
Your leaders incompetence ( as usual) led to what you did in 1965.
India has always claimed that it was the Northern Light Infantry which took up position in Kargils. What is this irregular force you talk about?
And aid during the earthquake,we took it because, first sending 200 tents and 2000 blankets was symbolical so no issues and second we do not have such an inferiority complex that accepting aid from Pakistan as a neighbour will cause our nation and civilisation to collapse.
Naxalites and ISI.
That is the problem when as usual you do not apply your head.
Naxals enjoy support of many intellectual and educated in India because they are looked on as some sort of Robin Hood fighting for the poor and exploited. The police and Para-miliatry are targeted as a part of that state machinery.
Many state Govt .like Bihar and Jharkhand see the movement in having genuine ground like displacement of tribals, deforestation, alienation from land, unemployment,illegal mining etc.
Let me remind you that the Naxals want communism in India, a social revolution They are not secessionists.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/sotn-majority-feel-naxals-demands-genuine/128735-37-64.html?from=RHS
BUT the moment an ISI or a Pakistan link is actually found, it will take the character of an anti-national movement.
In fact Naxals dismiss any such allegations as propaganda to discredit the movement.
Social support will not be easy if what is supposed to be a movement of the poor turns out to have links with anti-national elements. It will also make the idea of using greater force against the naxals easier. Presently several elements/political opposes use of heavy force due to the social roots of Naxalism.
Kishanjis link to Kashmiris etc!
True blood commi could not resist the message of world revolution like Soviet Russia.
But no evidence of this has been yet found incase of Kashmir or other places.
The naxals are a thinking and intelligent lot!
And the PMs comment of naxalism the greatest internal threat Here I go again !
Off course it is!!!
The North East of India is quite as of now. There are sporadic incidents like ambushes and blasts but nothing really on a sustained large scale.
Kashmir (apart from the stones in srinagar) remains the quietest in years as far as armed jihadis terrorism goes. Most major outfits stand eliminated and fresh infiltrators do not last long, except for the lucky few ,most end up dead in weeks.
So what else is left which is on a sustained basis as of now! Naxalism.
YET it is not the Pakistani idea of nightmare that you would so like it to be!
Check our PMs approach!
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pm-rules-out-use-of-armed-forces-against-naxals/527710/0
‘Refusing to bracket Naxals with terrorists, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Sunday ruled out use of armed forces against them and said that the government is willing to hold talks with them if they abjured violence.’
I tell you once again, the resources and sustaining power,the population and geographical spread of India makes things very different for us.
We do not have to run with a sense of entitlement to the west to give funds for WOT or fight internal threats!
I am sure you liked it when I was away.
A delusional stupor can be pleasurable to some!
Odd!Post made are doing the disappearing act!
Ignore First reply.
The post! seems to disappear/reappear!
RAJIK you are so boring and full of SHIT!
@ rajk,
Congratulations. You have finally reached the point where your posts take longer to read than they do to reply to.
Since I am currently fasting and spending most of my time praying and reading the Qur’an (a safe distance away from the Hindutva rape brigade of Hindustan), I’m going to cut out a lot of the crap that you have used to fatten up your reply, which to be honest leaves me with little of any value to work with.
Yes, my point was that Teheran had come to the conclusion that Hindustanis were a waste of time – since you’ve done such a poor job of remembering my words, I’ve done it myself. What else do you call it when an insecure, indecisive pseudo-nation spends up to a decade trying to con all other participants over a much-needed energy deal?
I’m glad you sense angst and frustration in my words…although to be honest, you and I both know it’s just plain boredom. You and your kind bore me, because when you have nothing of any value to offer (which is usually the case) you simply concede ground with no shame. It seems you have finally accepted that Hindustan’s social indicators are an embarrassment – not for a country aiming for ’superpower’ status, but for any country IN THE WORLD. It seems that Ramadan truly is the time for miracles – after sending me mindless, facile links about Hindustani billionaires, you have finally accepted that the thriving Brahmins of your ‘country’ are a demographic minority compared to the hundreds of millions of Hindustanis who are so poor they make the beggars of Africa look like millionaires.
Yes, I will stick to social indicators – wake up and take a look around…that’s how most of the world defines success. That’s something you and your kind will never understand – and that’s why you have no concern over shunting your dirt-poor citizens out of their homes while you build huge, shoddy, substandard sports arenas on their land.
‘Shining India’ makes its poor pay price of hosting Commonwealth Games
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/11/slum-school-india-commonwealth-games
Whoops – looks like us Pakistanis aren’t the only ones who are tired of the ’shining India’ epithet! But I guess the Guardian is sponsored by ISI and al Qaeda as well, right?! What a moron…you have absolutely no shame in dismissing social indicators, as if it’s a petty inconvenience for you. That, along with your abject ignorance over religion (which we will discuss later), makes it clear that you really are nothing more than an obnoxious Brahmin.
LOL – here you are again, trying to sound intelligent and exploring my ‘inner fears’. What are my inner fears? Pakistan is struggling through floods, so like most Pakistanis I fear for the wellbeing of my countrymen. Obviously that doesn’t mean much to you, since Hindustanis have grown very proud of their culture of using the impoverished 700,000,000 to feed an elite coterie of upper caste high-flyers…lol, what could you possibly know about ‘inner fears’? Let’s break it down for you again, more slowly: Hindustan’s mediocre standing in Asia in terms of ‘energy giants’ has nothing to do with Pakistan. So basically your many links on Pakistan, which you diligently collect every evening to vent your insecurities, really have no value. It seems I have to repeat my initial point; Hindustan CANNOT COMPARE to Japan or China in terms of energy development. It’s funny how neither of these two nations indulge in such nauseating self-praise and yet both are light years ahead of the ‘policeman of Asia’!
Ah…I see, so now you’re bragging about having an energy crisis. You guys are priceless. Pakistan is currently having an energy crisis as well, but I doubt you will find a single Pakistani who is stupid enough to see this as a sign of a superpower. You see, this is the kind of crap that wastes my time. All it does is show me how blind you are to reality, that even your many failures are actually considered successes. You don’t need a reply from me; you need a psychiatrist.
Do you need me to educate you about overpopulation issues again? Do you really need to be told off several times for every single subject we discuss? Here’s yet another overpopulation index to silence you. But hey – you can always tell me about Hindustan’s billionaires all over again.
http://www.optimumpopulation.org/overpopulationindex.pdf
33 India
39 Pakistan
Seems you’ve forgotten how to read – if you ever knew how in the first place. Where is the ‘open’ access that the foreigners have in Pakistan?
Pakistan denies any foreign access to its nuclear designs
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90851/6434307.html
Pakistani Woman Politician Refused To Meet Clinton
http://www.daily.pk/pakistani-woman-politician-refused-to-meet-clinton-12852/
Well if that amuses you, then good for you. To be honest, Hindustanis are no strangers to massaging their ignorance by whipping mythological ideas up into factual statements. Or do you need me to remind you of your ‘army’s’ fake encounters again?!
Your democracy works! Yes! Woohoo! A war criminal gets voted into power in Gujarat! A victory for democracy! LOL…poor Hindustanis, being spoon-fed these facile definitions of success. But let’s take a look at this ’successful’ amendment to the nuclear bill:
http://nvs-stream.com/2010/08/12/business-cost-to-rise-as-india-tweaks-nuclear-bill/
LOL, congratulations…the ‘revised’ bill will increase the worth of a Hindustani life to around a tenth that of a US life…is that a more accurate measure for you? Is that your big success?! Your whole reply seems to be a tribute to your sheer inability to feel any national association with your largely impoverished nation – as well as your complete ignorance, of course.
Yes, well done on having your nukes since ‘74 – shame you aren’t even capable of looking after them.
How Safe Are Indian Nukes?
http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/04/how-safe-are-indian-nukes/
“Notably, India’s record of poor nuclear safety has surprised the international community in the era of ongoing nuclear age. In this respect, in the end of November, 2009, more than 90 Indian workers suffered radiation due to contamination of drinking water at the Kaiga Atomic Power Station in Karnataka.”
Sounds like Bhopal all over again. Good luck to the poor in their quest for compensation!
Blah blah blah…reading through your several paragraphs in which you dismiss your poor people again…*yawn*…Pakistan is desperately trying to bring down Hindustan…the funniest thought is the image that I have in my head of a bunch of little Hindustanis sitting in their local sewer, blaming Pakistan for all their woes!
You’re a fool if you think Hindustan has gotten away with the crime of Kashmir.
Kuwaiti MPs condemn rights abuses in Kashmir
http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2010/Aug/24/kuwaiti-mps-condemn-rights-abuses-in-kashmir-38.asp
That’s the reaction of tiny Kuwait. Yes, the world is trembling at the might of Hindustan’s Brahmin forces! When even a docile gulf state can express condemnation at your countless atrocities, you have to realise how idiotic you sound when you try to fabricate a sense of greatness.
Hmm…so I remind you of one of your innumerable national failures, and instead of offering an explanation you fall back on your default mentality – all eyes on Pakistan! Once again, I take no small pleasure in reminding you: have I at any point suggested that Pakistan is a world power? That Pakistan is a dominant force in today’s climate? Nope, that’s the rhetoric that you are offering on your ‘country’ – despite many polite reminders that your capabilites on all fronts seem remarkably limited.
Apparently we can’t make locomotives ourselves:
Pakistan Locomotive Factory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Railways#Pakistan_Locomotive_Factory.2C_Risalpur
“The factory can produce two diesel-electric locomotives per month on single-shift basis, but this can be doubled by introducing a second working shift. The factory is equipped with the state-of-the-art equipment which can be employed in the building of diesel-electric locomotives of suitable horsepower, as well as electric locomotives with minor adjustments.”
And I have to waste my time following up each and every occasion when you lie shamelessly like this. This is the price I pay for trying to reason with a Hindustani half-wit.
And with all that said and done…you’re still killing your own people with your ’successes’.
List of industrial disasters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_industrial_disasters
“The largest industrial disaster to date is the Bhopal Disaster.”
Congratulations…you are once again world leaders – for all the wrong reasons! Back-to-back victories for you!
What you fail to realise (among your many other failings) is that Pakistan has endured nothing other than what Hindustan has endured. Political assassinations? Last time I checked, you were the ones who blew your own spiritual leader to smithereens! What world are you from? Do you honestly need a Pakistani to inform you of this? Why would you come up with such a stupid statement? As for the two-nation theory, even if Pakistan broke into a thousand pieces tomorrow (as per the Hindustani wet dream), I can guarantee not ONE part would return to the genocidal freakshow that is Hindustan. Last time I checked, even your beloved Bangladesh chose to maintain its own identity after 1971. If you had even half a brain, you would realise that that actually PROVES the myth of a united ‘India’ to be a complete pipe dream. Now just imagine how desperate everybody else is to be free from you.
It’s actually very difficult to sift through the crap in your messages to decide what remarks are even worthy of a reply. How in the world does an Iran-Pakistan pipeline depend on China? Or even the US in Afghanistan for that matter? Do you just add these silly lines because they make you feel intelligent?
India Left Out Of Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline Deal
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018987825
Do you read any mention of the US or China? LOL…you’re too funny.
Oh wait – no, you have a comeback….yes, you’ve sent me an EDITORIAL OPINION stating that the pipeline might not come through! Oh no! An editorial opinion! LOL…what a moron!
Here you are trying to compare US and UK POLITICAL support for Hindustan with Hindustan’s purely COMMERCIAL footholds in those same countries. Has Hindustan ever been in a position to make a comment about the Irish peace process, or US-Russia relations? No. Why not? Because only Hindustan sees Hindustan as a power to be taken seriously. Nobody will bat an eyelid if New Delhi issues statements regarding international politics…Pakistan, at its weakest point for years, still finds it hard to muster a serious reaction to your impotent politicians. You somehow think your Western benefactors will see things differently?
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LH25Df01.html
The title to your above link is this:
“Floods play havoc with Pakistan power hopes”
LOL – this is the quintessentially polluted Hindustani mindset that I have seen so often. Apparently, according to you, it is a failure on Pakistan’s part that the country is suffering a power crisis as a result of the worst floods in its history. This is the best answer you could offer? Using this as an example of Pakistan’s ‘desperation’? Let me put it in perspective for you, boy: even in the face of these vicious, unrelenting floods, there were still fewer deaths than there were in the few weeks that your fellow Hindustanis spent cheerfully butchering Muslims to pieces in Gujarat. You see, even when you offer cheap, tasteless taunts about natural disasters, you can’t escape the twisted legacy of your own vile history.
Your remarks about transporting fuel only serve to show your ignorance. The costs of using LNG carriers are FAR greater than the costs would be of establishing a pipeline link. It’s only Hindustan’s dysfunctional regional policies that prevent it from coming up with any comprehensive energy strategy; calling it a ‘piddly’ pipeline may make you feel better in whatever playgrounds you visit during your spare time, but in reality it means the same as most of your other remarks – zero.
By the way, Pakistan receives a large part of her oil supplies from Malaysia:
Pakistan reduces duties on palm oil imports
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/pakcut/Article/
But if you’re looking for chronic oil dependency, look a little closer to home.
Saudi Arabia May Nearly Double Oil Supply to India
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-01/saudi-arabia-may-nearly-double-oil-supply-to-india-update1-.html
Just another example of how little value your statements have.
You can really babble on as much as you want on the OIC, but I guess the truth hurts. This disorganised, toothless group of rogue nations still far outranks Hindustan on the Human Development Index. That fact alone holds more value than all the mindless remarks some angry little Hindustani has to offer. These nations are perfectly entitled to pass comment on your odious human rights violations – even the backward Arabs are unfamiliar with the levels of brutal occupation that are the norm in Kashmir.
Again, your ‘Shia’ remarks have to be by far my most favourite part of your reply. Watching you trying to blend your primitive Hindutva mentality regarding Shias with your shameless denial over Kashmir is really fascinating. For a start, as my last link (which you ignored) stated, there is ZERO connection between the Kashmir freedom movement and any Sunni/Shia identity. You are literally the very first person I have ever heard to come up with this crap. This was your first line that established you as a brainwashed pseudo-intellectual, and now you’re trying to stand by it. Jinnah was from a Shia community, Ayub Khan was a Sunni from KP, Bhutto was a from a Sindhi Shia family, Zia was a Punjabi Sunni, Benazir was a Shia, Shareef was a Sunni, Musharraf probably didn’t even know what he was. You probably have no idea who these people are, let alone their religious proclivities. And you somehow think you’re in a position to comment on Shia Muslims. When your VHP and RSS rapists were hacking their way through your country’s Muslims, they didn’t stop to ask whether they were Sunni or Shia. I suppose you’ve conveniently forgotten that though.
Hell, your kind don’t even discriminate between Sikhs, Christians or Muslims when carrying out their communal killings – and you have the nerve to style yourself as a Shia scholar?!
You fool, it was YOUR OWN LINK which stated that the Pakistani commandos received support from the local Kashmiris in 1965…are you denying your own opinion now? You poor confused child. You’ve now fallen back on coming up with rubbish like ‘your fantasies on Shias’, etc etc…that means nothing to me. It’s almost physically sickening to hear a Hindustani talk about religious sectarianism. The funniest thing is, NOWHERE in your link about the Kashmiri girl is there a mention of Sunni or Shia – that was your own stupid inference, which you’re trying to make into an issue.
Indian Shias seek representation in Parliament
http://www.jafariyanews.com/2k9_news/july/15india_shiites.htm
As I told you before: when truckloads of Sunnis march out into the streets of Lahore and start slaying Shias in their very homes, aided and abetted by the government, then PERHAPS you will have a leg to stand on with your childish moralising. After all, that is what put Hindustan on the map in 2002. Another major success for you.
When did I ever say I was a ‘keeper of the true faith’? Do you have any idea how stupid you sound when you invent phrases and then try counter them? Did you learn the art of inventing fake encounters from your ‘army’?
How can you even presume to have the ability to ‘push the Kashmiris out’? It’s embarrassing that you even think you have that option. When 700,000,000 ’soldiers’ can’t even subdue a bunch of protesting teenagers, what chance do you think you would have of unsettling them altogether? You are not Israelis – you have neither the discpline not the resolve to move into a foreign land and dictate terms. Honestly, your levels of denial are almost pathological.
I love how you change your perspective on the Kashmir freedom movement; sometimes it’s only in downtown Srinagar, sometimes it’s only a few areas in the valley, and sometimes it’s the whole valley but nowhere beyond. The truth is you have no idea. I genuinely don’t think you’ve ever even been there. Even now you can’t account for the hatred that inspired Hindu fanatics to rise in Jammu in 2008. But your kind have never been any good at controlling the Hindu fanatics, have they?
I see you’re wetting your pants again over the remark made by Nehru’s advisor (let me remind you – your link again!). Apparently now it’s no surprise that there was an anti-Hindustan sentiment in Kashmir in 1964…this is a COMPLETE turnaround from your initial claim, that everything was quiet and peaceful during this time. You see, it’s this level of idiocy from Hindustanis that makes my job so much easier. You’re babbling on about Non-Muslim Rajas and the rule of the Dogras, and yet you still have no answer to the simple fact that Nehru’s advisor referred to KASHMIR – not specifically the valley.
But when all is said an done, you and your kind will still cling desperately onto the claim that Big Bad Pakistan is behind the troubles there. No amount of links will wake you up from your daydream.
Kashmiri intifada has proven that freedom movement is indigenous
http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2010/08/25/kashmiri-intifada-has-proven-freedom-movement-indigenous
LOL – the only country that really hates Pakistan is Hindustan, my friend. Please stop hiding behind the rest of the world. It is little surprise you hate us – it’s the same reason you come onto this website…every single day since 14th August 1947 is a massive kick in the teeth for you! I don’t know what you want me to tell you…deal with it!
Again…I’m sorry to see you getting so emotional over your indigenous failures (of which there are so many), but the plain simplicity is that your cryogenic engine was the cornerstone of Hindustan’s space development program for almost two decades now.
India Satellite GSLV Mission Fails
http://thecurrentaffairs.com/indias-gslv-mission-fails.html
Again, for a country that constantly refers to itself as a rising power, you seem to failing in some key areas. You can preach about satellites all you want – an indigenous satellite isn’t exactly a big deal – but as I suggested earlier, maybe you will be better off spending that Rs 300 crore on building a couple of toilets in Bombay. I guess it’s too late for that though!
LOL – another funny topic – reading a Hindustani’s attempts to defend his ‘country’s’ shocking aircraft attrition rates. Yes I’ve looked at the F7P’s rate of crashes within PAF – I’ve even gone a step further and looked at the rate of crashes that other, more competent forces than ‘IAF’ have suffered – and in both cases your boys take the grand prize! Yet another major victory for you!
As for your Dhruve, the truly embarrassing thing about it is that when the helo itself is not failing, it’s the pilots who can’t hold their water.
HAL Dhruv
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Dhruv#Incidents
“In 2005, the entire ALH Dhruv fleet had been grounded for several months after an incident in Andhra Pradesh and the subsequent probe had found a fault with the tail rotor blades of the helicopters.
On February 2, 2007, during rehearsals before Aero India, a HAL Dhruv of the Sarang helicopter display team of the Indian Air Force crashed, killing its co-pilot Sqn Ldr Priye Sharma and wounding the pilot Wg Cdr Vikas Jetley. The accident was later found to have been caused by pilot error. The helicopter team continued to perform in the air show.
In 2009, a Dhruv helicopter of the Ecuadorian Air Force hit the ground after veering off course while flying in formation with two other helicopters over an air force base near Quito.[53] Air force general Leonardo Barreiro told reporters that the helicopter had been destroyed in the crash. The remaining six aircraft where grounded pending an investigation.[54] IT was concluded that the crash occurred due to pilot error.
In 2010, a Dhruv helicopter team of the Indian Air Force was forced to make a crash landing while rehearsing for the “Vayu Shakti” air power show. An IAF official is quouted as saying “Both pilots are safe after they had to make a controlled crash-landing due to loss of power in the chopper”.”
You see, the more you try to sound like an expert, the more you dig yourself a hole. The Hindustani ‘Air Force’ has a global reputation for flying coffins through the air – at least these coffins are a little more valuable than the tiffin containers in which your Kargil ‘heroes’ are buried!
The India Air Force has the worst crash record in the world
http://siyasipakistan.wordpress.com/2009/09/05/the-india-air-force-has-the-worst-crash-record-in-the-world/
“•India, using mostly Russian aircraft, has an accident rate of 6-7 per 100,000 hours flown (compared to 4-5 for all NATO air forces.)
•The Indian rate had been over ten for many years, and it is still that high, and often higher, with other nations (including Russia and China), that use Russian aircraft designs.
•F-15s and F-16s have an accident rate of 3-4 per 100,000 flight hours.
•World Record: 500th Flying coffin crashes
•1970-2005: IAF has recorded around 700 crashes since 1970, with around 180 pilots and scores of civilians on the ground losing their lives Publication: The Times of India, Date: Monday, September 4 2006
•1970-2005: of the 793 MiG-21s progressively inducted in IAF since 1963, 330 have been lost in accidents. The Times of India, Date: Monday, September 4 2006′”
LOL – what makes you think I have a negative mindset? Actually I’m fiercely proud of the PAF for managing to avoid the same reputation, despite the repeated claims from Hindustani pseudo-intellectuals that the country is about to collapse…
No matter what angle you come from on Kashmir, your arguments sound tired and facile. Hindustan has a long, proud history of coming up with idiotic excuses to stall the Kashmir plebiscite – that is one thing that you have learnt well from your Israeli teachers. I’m sure it did burn a hole in your pants when Pakistan willfully gifted away a sizeable chunk to China – but what I don’t understand is, why didn’t the ‘Superpower’ Hindustan do anything about it?! Of course…you must have been too busy celebrating ‘peace’ in the Valley – apparently it was very tranquil during the 60s, right?! LOL…the sad truth is that if it weren’t for a handful of Brahmins conducting international deals, the world would speak openly about Hindustani backstabbing in Kashmir. Even now, in your fabricated greatness, you can’t bury your heads in the sand.
Protest Held in New York Against Indian Atrocities in Kashmir
http://newsblaze.com/story/20100816105533zzzz.nb/topstory.html
It’s understandable that a nation which prides itself on having been conquered repeatedly throughout history has no real concept of direct combat, so I can forgive you for not understanding Pakistan’s resilience in fighting the Soviet giant. Wars are not won or lost on the basis of funding, ‘boss’, wars are won by mettle. You Hindustanis should know that very well – despite choking off Pakistan’s treasury (and breaking an international obligation), you were still unable to bring the proud people of Azad Kashmir and the Northern Areas under the fascist rule of New Delhi in 1948. In a similar way, despite an overwhelmingly superior attack force, the USSR could not cope with the ISI/PA’s guerilla warfare in the Afghan plains and mountains – even now. Your ’soldiers’ had even less success in Kashmir – remember how many times they used to cry to Islamabad to cease assistance to the separatist movement back in the 90s?
Aw, poor ‘Steve’ seems to e having trouble digesting the facts of 1965…although at least you’ve given up on trying to support your non-existent air force. So let me cut through all your crap and ask the same simple question I asked you in the very beginning: who breached the international border? LOL – I think if you burn any hotter you’re going to commit ‘Sati’ over there, but before you do so, take a calm breath and explain to me what Hindustan was thinking when your ‘commanders’ (Hindustani commanders! LOL even the thought is funny!) predicted they would be having tea in Lahore’s gymkhana…and you still call it a victory?
Tell me, how was that tea in the gymkhana? Did you ever make it there? You want to try wearing a Hindustani ‘army’ uniform and sipping tea over there today…?
LOL – more comedy from you…you ready for it? This is once again from your own cherry-picked link in 1965:
http://www.defencejournal.com/2001/august/anatomy.htm
“Grand Slam failed because of change of command! Not because Akhtar Malik was better than Yahya but because one man either Akhtar or Yahya should have conducted the whole operation! The Indians admitted that their position was saved because of the pause of 48 hours, which occurred at Tawi after the Pakistani Chief Musa ordered change of horses in the mid stream!”
LOL – the concept of Hindustani resistance isn’t even mentioned…that’s too funny. Keep the links coming, boy!
Apparently Hindustan has no insecurity issues over Pakistan when it comes to offering aid:
Pak leaves India aid hand dangling
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100817/jsp/nation/story_12819307.jsp
“India awaits, with a creeping sense of annoyance, a Pakistani response to its $5-million aid offer for the devastation caused by flash-floods in the country’s northwest.”
Your kind are so self-conscious, you were offended that Pakistan ruined your chances to look like saviours. LOL…sounds more like an insecure nation looking for approval than anything else.
As for the Naxals, I can see why you left this to the end – your flimsy knowledge about your own many national crisis is quite frankly an embarrassment, and here you once again show how retarded your political outlook is. What kind of outfit operates within a national framework by attacking and killing its country’s own government forces?! LOL…you really think the Maoists care for your mickey mouse constitution???
Oh, as for your empty theats about Hindustan’s reaction to a Naxalite-ISI link, why don’t you wake up and do some research:
ISI using D-company in bid to tap Naxalites
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/ISI-using-D-company-in-bid-to-tap-Naxalites/articleshow/6307929.cms
So it seems as if the two forces are in cahoots…should I get ready to surrender to the might of the Hindustani ‘army’? Are you gathering your platoon of prostitutes at the border right now?
Oh, apparently the North-East is quiet right now…apart from the fact that 2010 saw some of the most serious and successful attacks carried out by the Naxalite freedom fighters in their 40-year history. Yeah, apart from that it’s completely quiet! Same for Kashmir, right? Are idiots like you actually formulating policy over there? Do you actually have an opportunity to share your dangerous ignorance with others?
Why would you be entitled to any international funding for your wars? The enemies that you have within your countries are nothing more than symptoms of your many national diseases: the Kashmir Intifada is a manifestation of Hindustan’s Hindutva bigotry; the Naxalite movement is a direct reaction to the country’s Brahmin-specific wealth distribution. Hell, given half the chance even your downtrodden Dalits would carve out a land of their own, where they could live with the dignity they deserve. Why don’t you don the world a favour and just set up a ‘Brahminstan’, and leave the rest of the shackled Hindustanis to make lives of their own?
Over the next week I will be caught up with the events of Ramadan; I suggest you make the most of your time and do some mature research like a proper adult before you come back here, because right now the only challenge you’re giving me is the difficulty of working out your shoddy call-centre English.
A
@Architect,
Well my reply depends on what you have posted, never mind it being replete with the usual display of negativity/self-denial, liberal use of emotive expressions and paragraphs largely devoid of any substance.
On Iran:
Your golden words were ‘Tehran has come to the conclusion that ‘’Hindustanis’’ were a waste of time.’
BTW the IPI pipeline is originally a Pak idea with India taking an interest in the project in the 1990s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Pakistan%E2%80%93India_gas_pipeline
An insecure, indecisive nation will not have the capability to keep such a project on hold for decades.
India’s concern, price and security have been detailed /discussed in prior. Unless redressed by the project partners India is not under any compulsion or obligation to join the project and nor is it short of other viable alternatives.
The pipeline is not a social or a charitable project; the project has to be in the interest and benefit of India for it to join in. Nothing can be clearer than that, at least to those who think of their country first.
Finally accepting India’s social indicators!
This aspect has been discussed ad-nauseum by us. I had already given the links from the World Bank on the social Indicators of India, south Asia and Pakistan. Where everybody stands is clear.
And as usual, you missed the point made!
My earlier post has made it amply clear, that despite all our ‘social indicators’, developmental issues, poverty and problems we are moving ahead and actually achieving something. That is what scares you.
Unlike you, we do not believe that we are in a paradise or blind to the reality that surrounds us. We have achieved a lot BUT there is so much left for us to do.
Only the weak, complexed, insecure and those drilled in a mythical history will find the problems facing their country as shameful.
Development does not come by wailing, crying or wallowing in self-pity as you choose to do so. The only way is to industrialize and develop as fast as possible. It will take time; it will not happen overnight BUT surely and slowly we are going ahead.
“For the first time, the number of high income households is set to exceed the number of poor households in 2009-10,” the NCAER said, adding that the middle income class continued to grow.’’
http://www.businessworld.in/bw/2010_08_01_Rich_Outnumber_Poor_Middle_Class_Prospers.html
YESSSS , there are still millions of poor, some getting poorer, defecating on the streets etc etc yadayadada bllaalaah
BUT the fact is nothing except a growing and developing economy will give the poor a chance to rise.
That is the difference between you and us, we move ahead with optimism while you meander around, wasting your energy and meager resources on empty issues and picking up fights beyond your capability or capacity.
Ever cared to see what stage your economy has reached.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/editorial/economy-on-the-verge-of-collapse-790
Ahh the poor affected by the common wealth!!!
Wonder how the white guys start their bleeding hearts campaigns just when somebody apart from them is about to do something.
The Chinese went through the same things during the run up to their Olympic Games.
Evictions, oppression, banishments, beggars being hidden etc etc!
,
http://english.pravda.ru/sports/games/13-03-2008/104486-summer_olympics-0/
These things will happen in societies, which have slums and illegal settlements and which have to be removed for construction; nothing unique of this taking place in any developing or even developed places.
And this is supposed to do what!!!!Dragging our entire country down!!!
Energy crisis an achievement! Where do you pull out such gems from!!!!Is that how you reassure yourselves in Pakistan!
All I had mentioned was the levels of energy consumption, requirements and infrastructure of a country indicates its development stage. A rapidly growing economy needs large amounts of energy.
Perhaps Pakistan is not aware of the term, but development usually is an ongoing and dynamic process .We are expanding and developing our energy sector pretty rapidly and according to our needs.
On China -Japan being ‘light years’ ahead of India!!!!! Man never saw anyone with such a defeatist attitude.
Did China think that USA was light years ahead when they started their reforms?No wonder you guys get nothing but handouts, which too are given out grudgingly!
And what makes you think that the travails of the Pak economy are related to the recent floods. Pak has been on international aid and assistance since the economic troubles in the early 2000s.
Population growth:
You really like going off at a tangent, don’t you.
The fact is Pakistan’s population is growing at a higher rate than that of India so that settles who is overproducing.!
Get into semantics of effective population, real population! And what is the difference in position you find!!! 6 LIGHT years perhaps wow!
At the current rate of Pakistan’s population growth that list is not going to remain static!
Open access of the US in Pakistan!
Foremost, the free roaming US drones in Pakistan!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/19/official-confirms-using-pakistan-base-launch-attacks/
Wow! one MNA politician not meeting Clinton and that secures Pakistan’s independence in policy!!!! Is she of any consequence in the decision making process of Pakistan.
Probably may be pissed off at not getting an invite to a party!
Did you not see the power elite of Pakistan, Zardari, Geelani,Querishi swoon and prostrate themselves before Clinton! Man you have to give it to Clinton! Even after all that, she says the worst of things about Pakistan in Pakistan itself!
Airbase in Pakistan under US control
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/airbase-near-jacobabad-under-us-control,-senate-panel-told-980
You cannot USE your OWN AIRBASE!!!
Recall the humiliation heaped on Pakistan on the Kerry Lugar Bill.
No wonder, when Pakistan bends to ever US whim and fancy, Pakistan actually had to deny that the US does not have access to its nukes since going by Paks track record its assumed that the US has had its way with Pakistan.
There are plenty of conspiracy theories, the US already controls Pak nukes.
Indian Army fake encounters!
Perhaps you refer to the fake incidents in Siachen and Kashmir.
One bad thing in the Army, In a hostile area ones merit is also seen by the ‘action’ and number of ‘kills’ a CO has got in his formation .The career and promotion of officers is dependent on it.
The problem is action is scarce, in Siachen, the Pak army has hardly tried anything in the last decade. In Kashmir most of the Terrorists are gunned down at the heavily secured border fencing itself and infiltration over the years is quite tough. Not much is around for a nice commendation in ones dossier!
So some unscrupulous chaps actually thought of getting some action by themselves!!
You guys are so bogged down in your own troubles not much action is coming our way!!!But they all have been punished.
Democracy works.
A population not willing or competent or lazy to actually exercise free will uses such excuses against democracies.
The people of Gujarat elected Narendra Modi in federal state elections. And it is the same democracy which ensured that a Non-BJP led secular govt came to power in the center and that cases are pursued against the rioters, that no matter how long it takes, the perpetrators of the Gujarat riots will never rest easy.
Nuclear liability bill:
Man you do get desperate, while comparing the US scenario with India. The parity attempted to be made is specious.
In any case reading and UNDERSTANDING helps.
‘On questions over the quantum of compensation of Rs1500
crore on the part of the operator, the minister said the amount, along with the 300 million dollar Special Drawing Rights (SDR), is exactly the same which is provided in the US.’
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_parliament-adopts-nuclear-liability-bill_1430988
And while noting your empathy for the impoverished of India (as much empathy probably as a vulture has for its prey) save some of your tears, wailings and empathy for your own people.
‘The large numbers of civilians (700 in 2009 alone) killed in the US drone strikes has fueled considerable anti-American sentiment in Pakistan. When pressed during a previous visit Secretary of State Hillary Clinton shrugged off concerns about the civilians, saying only “there’s a war going on.”
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/08/23/us-drone-strike-destroys-house-full-of-children-in-pakistan/
SEVEN HUNDRED civilians killed in 2009 alone and in PAKISTAN BY a Foreign power! And look at the reaction of Clinton and Your leaders.
And you have the gall and the hypocrisy of questioning our attitude toward our citizens.And you spew out pathetic links on how one MNA did not meet Clinton.
Where is their liability payment and HOW DOES it COMPARE to a US Citizen blown up by a FOREIGN drone in his country!!!
What kind of people are you guys, No shame or self-respect, only begairati! And still you prostrate before the mighty US for arms and aid.
And to top it all hilariously and pathetically try to claim US dominance on India!!!
Nuclear safety:
Ahh the one senator did not meet Clinton attempt!!!
Pak really tries their best to dig out something on ‘India’s’ poor safety record.
Wonder what they have to say on the records of these guys!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_and_radiation_accidents
No radiation leaks, no major fires, no core-meltdown, no venting to the atmosphere, so what does the guy form his opinion on, a tritium leak, not even fissile material.
I wonder what opinion the opinion maker you quoted had on this!
Two die at Pakistan nuclear plant
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7337026.stm
Wonder what compensation these guys get!
Kuwaiti MPs on Kashmiri!
This one tops the one senator does not meet Clinton achievement!!!!
3 Kuwaiti MPs forming something called a ‘hewabit Al-Ummah Group’ have said something on Kashmir!
Maybe they have some voters with links to Pakistan or Kashmir whom they want to please or make it to the news!
And you twist it to look like the into the official position of the Kuwait Govt!!!
http://kmsnews.org/news/%E2%80%98kashmir-has-right-decide-its-fate%E2%80%99
Oh the desperation, this is not even clutching at straws! Lie and deceive, fulfill your infatuation for Brahmins(why does this guy remember them all the time) all you wish, but as they say, the ‘fitrat ‘of Pakistan is only too well known to Kuwait also!!
BTW is not Kuwait one of the biggest US bases in the Middle-East.
Hey your brain has been on vacation for too long, time to call it back!
Boos ne 3 MP ke Group ko pura Kuwait bana dala!
That is called Pakistani maths!
Pakistani Locomotives:I thought we were discussing defective Chinese locos imported by the Pakistan Railways! Not whether Pak made locos or not .The context was totally different .Why bring pak loco factory in it !Anyway! Amazing factory!!!
Was this factory opened for kickbacks! This unit has manufactured a royal 23 Diesel loco SINCE 1993!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Railways#Pakistan_Locomotive_Factory.2C_Risalpur
What kind of a factory is this!!!! 23 diesel locos in 17 YEARS. Surely Pak rail is not that small!
No wonder you guys had to import (why defective though) Chinese locos!!
Are you sure it’s a factory and not some sort of Garage to assemble imported kits.
Surely no one opens a loco factory just to keep it idle!
Industrial disasters!
Bhopal: Yah another one of your hypocrisy coming through! Spouting piety and prayers of Ramzan, while gloating on an industrial disaster. BTW did you know that Bhopal has a very large Muslim population and the Muslims constituted almost 50% of the victims.
So much for your religious piety.
Political assassinations:
Which spiritual leader being blown up are you talking about!
I was talking of the chaotic ways of Pakistan in the political context. For example The saga of Zia and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. Zia took over power as a military man and then hanged Bhutto! Just like that and because he could.
Zia himself was killed in an irony of fate!
Later the story of Musharraf, who came to power in a coup and then promptly exiled Nawaz!
All according to one’s whims and fancy, write your own laws, constitution and basically do as you please till you either are killed or forced out by protests.
HAS ANY Pakistani leader from the days of Ayub Khan ever leave office in dignity or peace?
Pakistan coming back to India!
Are you raving mad, who in his right senses would want a people like Pakistanis to be a part of their country?
If 10 Pakistanis happen to fly in an international flight and they talk loudly, there is general panic in the aircraft!!!!! Heard the story of the Pak army officers who were deplaned just for talking and on suspicion!
Say Pakistani, and the first thought that comes to mind is ,uh-oh trouble!
Thanks but no thanks; stay on your side, FOREVER preferably!
And Bangladesh not joining India!
I hear this repeatedly. Not one plan or paper has ever been laid out that India planned to occupy Bangladesh.
Why would India want millions and millions of Bangladeshis to join its already large population?We are spending millions and millions on Border fencing on the Indo-Bangladesh border to prevent illegal migration.
This is another one of the classical Pakistani self-assurance cum denials.
Yes yes Bangladesh was liberated, BUT did they join India? Could India make her an Indian state?
Man you guys scrape the dregs to somehow assure yourself that Pakistan got something!!!!
The two nation theory and Indian unity a Myth!
Your comment on Indian unity is irrelevant coming from a country already broken up. The day East Pakistan took up the fight on an issue apart from Islam, based on local political aspiration, language and culture the two nation theory stood dead.
Second, when there are more Muslims OUTSIDE Pakistan in South –Asia then within it.
Then this guys has views on it:
http://www.mqm.org/English-News/Jun-2000/twonation-210600.htm
IPI pipline:
Instead of hyperventilating and hurling invectives a little awareness helps:
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/china-keen-on-joining-iran-pakistan-india-pipeline-project_10064600.html
China has been keen to step in for a long time.
You think Pakistan would be able to take any steps without at least one big daddy propping it in the background!
If you were talking about investment in the political context, say so in the post.
The only thing supreme is national self-interest and mutual interests. No country in the world is acting out of love or generosity. Pakistan should know best about it!
Note how the US and west abandoned Pakistan after the Russkis left Afghanistan, AND how they rushed back after 9\11.
Regards Benefactors! Pakistan should be well aware of that term!
Boy your plaintive proclamations on how nobody listens or is bothered of India are reaching the levels of high heavens now!!!
Do you guys have to delude yourself to such a big extent!
Who is bothered what the world wants to listen to on their problems; the crucial thing is what India can do to make the world listen to its most vital policy issues. The issue of Kashmir, trade, economic issues, climate change, security.
‘Ban Ki Moon denies his statement on Kashmir’
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6451760-ban-ki-moon-denies-his-statement-on-kashmir
‘India, China and Brazil have come a long way in global trade negotiations emerging as “big brothers”, WTO chief Pascal Lamy has said.’
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/Economy/Foreign_Trade/India_is_among_big_brothers_of_WTO_Pascal_Lamy/articleshow/3373292.cms
‘Four formerly developing countries took the reins during climate talks in Copenhagen: China, India, Brazil, and South Africa. It could herald a redistribution of global clout, some experts say.’
It was these countries that ensured that the west did not ram down climate changes for the benefits of the western world.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/copenhagen
Piddly pipeline:
Oh why don’t you at least try to read what is said! The IPI will involve.1st investment by India, 2ndpayment of Transit fees to Pakistan,3rd Insurance against disruption of supply which will be high given the war risk of the areas in Pakistan and what happens in time of conflict.All these combine to make the LNG option equally attractive. It all there in the article I posted.
Same goes for the dependency of India for oil from Saudi Arabia. Forgot to read the links posted on acquisitions being made by India is Russian, Venezuelan, African , Iranian oil fields!!!!
Why are you so worried about the viability of LNG?
India has 4 terminals and is building 5 more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LNG_terminals#India
PALM OIL imports ?? Why the hell are you talking of Palm oil imports by Pakistan from Malaysia!!! Do your cars run on it??????
Or is possible that you are missing that thing called a brain more than ever!
OIC and the HDI, what’s the link????
So Israel and USA. outranking most of the OIC chaps in HDI automatically get a moral elevation and their sins against the Muslim world gets washed away!!
Wow!!!
I thought that the common factor was Islam not HDI! Or did you think by being member of OIC Pakistan too got an automatic promotion!!!
The numbers that matter to India:
China 92
India 134
Pakistan 141
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
And here pick out the rest yourselves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_the_Islamic_Conference
Shias:
Rant and rave all you like, but the fact is that the districts with higher Shia populace in Kashmir have the lesser or least amount of problems in Kashmir.
Your shrieks on Hindu fascism (strange when India is ruled by a secular party)are amusing, but the best is when you claim there are no troubles in Pakistan!
100s of Shias have been killed by suicide bombers in Pakistan in mosques and religious procession in the past few weeks alone.
And these go back a long way, forget mainland Pakistan, even Gilgit –Baltistan have not been spared.
‘The Gilgit-Baltistan region is no stranger to sectarian turmoil. Though the area has experienced bouts of communal violence since the 1980s.’
http://www.dawn.com.pk/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/editorial/violence-in-gilgit-880
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3772331.stm
Better get acquainted with the religious proclivities and atrocities on people under your nose before looking afar!!
The rioters of Gujarat are being punished over the years. Wonder what happens in peaceful tranquil Pakistan.
On an example of Pak govt sponsored killings: Genocide in Bangaldesh, operations searchlight in collusion with the razakars.
You think the Shias of Kashmir will not note or know what is happening in their vicinity and to their kindred in POK.
Mindless propaganda on Kashmir gives a delusional comfort. Things are not so simple for Pakistan in Kashmir as it is made out to be by your side!
Pakistani Commandos and shias!
Read this, I cannot make it more clear for you:
‘’The local population of Indian Held Kashmir did not co-operate with the Gibraltar Force and by 18th August the operations of the Gibraltar Force were considerably reduced’’
http://www.defencejournal.com/2000/sept/grand-slam.htm
Maj (Retd) AGHA HUMAYUN AMIN
I do not remember what link you mention, all I can say is going by your take on the MNA woman politician Marvi Memon not meeting Clinton or the 3 Kuwaiti MPs as representing the whole of Kuwait, probably some miniscule element of Kashmiri support in 1965 was enough for you to make it into 100% support of Kashmiri ‘s.
Yaar, why Do you think ALL Kashmiris will like Pakistanis!!
Oh the girls who cut the jehadi up!!!
You are the shia-sunni expert.
Rukshsana KAUSAR D/O Noor HUSSEIN ,deduce the rest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rukhsana_Kausar
Pushing Kashmiris out:
The web of delusions that you weave around yourself never ceases to amaze me.
The 700,000 or million or 10 million Indian Army soldiers is such a magical number.
The Indian Army is deployed on the LOC and its prime job is anti-infiltration. The CRPF and the J&K police carry out all internal security duties in populated areas of Kashmir.
The Israeli approach is for Israel. They do it since they actually see and look at the Palestinians as totally alien.
J&K is considered part of India and its citizens are ours, therein lies the difference of approach.
So unlike Pakistan or Israel we don not go around pounding our citizens with artillery or from the air.
And BTW learn how the Israelis are deployed. NONE are deployed in the Palestinian territories.
They surround the Palestinian areas, from the land ,sea and air .Its a huge prison and entry/exit is only through controlled points .Any incursion by Israelis into Palestinian areas in with full force of armour and air cover. Or they simply bomb the house of the target using F-16s or Helo gunships.The do nor recgnise the elected govt in Palestine,the Hamas.
Nothing common to Kashmir.
On the subduing part, Aww heard this so often.
In the 90s it was the Jihadis who were to kick the Indian army out like the Russians from Afghanistan. When the jehadis were screwed , then came the line , aww you guys cannot even control a few thousand Jehadis. Then guys were gradually hunted down and are reduced to sporadic attacks and ambushes.
Now we have the great teenage stone thrower to be subdued!! THE Marvin Memon and the Kuwaiti MP class factor!!!
Let them throw what they like, we are in no hurry to go anywhere and we have all the time on our hands.
Yaar,why get confused on the spread of the terrorist activities in J&K, I had given you a map earlier.
Here it is again:
http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/jammuandkashmir/jammuandkashmir-district.htm
Follow the news on the web and you can make out the areas and decide for yourself!
Take your time, and work out why incidents keep themselves limited top a certain boundary and not the whole of Kashmir!
Man you are sticking to Nehru’s advisor as by his words Kashmir is going to be personally gifted to you!!!!!
No such luck kid! Its on such delusions that makes Pakistan continue its antics in Kashmir.
And that is why Pakistan really has it bad on Kashmir! No matter what they do what they try, in the heart of hearts they know that the best chance they have to come to Kashmir is in the Bus from Muzzafarabad to Sri-Nagar!!!!
The Fact is Pakistan feels an entitlement to Kashmir which is not backed by ability. Pakistan can do little to India economically or militarily, hence the clutching at every straw that comes along.
OIC resolutions,3 Kuwaiti MPs, proclamation by occasional western politician.
And there is that sinking feeling that time is running out.
The desperation almost bothers on the pathetic.
Kashmiri intifada!!!
It took them all these years to come up with that!!! How convenient!!!
Ak47s and IED se to kuch hua nahin,chalo pathhar phenk ke dekh lete hain!!!
The only country which hates Pakistan is India.
I differ with the term’ ONLY”!!!!!!
Pakistan existence being a kick on the teeth!
Don’t flatter ourselves!
Imagine the problems we would have had with trouble- makers like you being a part of India. Man whatever investments we are getting would have flown out of the window.
The label Pakistan is not exactly the most coveted label going around!!!!
Thank God for Jinnah and peace be on him ! And thank destiny and he for tucking you guys away in that part of the world!!!
In fact the floundering and struggles of Pakistan helps us, when we have a bad day, it always, Hey seen the Pakistanis and one does realize Yah there are guys and places who have it much ,much worse.
Apart from being a geo-strategic hot spot I really cannot think of any reason what benefit Pakistan would be to India. It will probably drain and swallow anything invested in it.
Space!
The less you talk about it, the better!!!.
Satellites off course are no big deal, Pakistan makes them by the dozens at Darra and every corner shop.
Why don’t you get it from them, then perhaps Pakistan will not hire dumped and rejected satellites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAKSAT
Only 4 nations, china, European space agency,USA and Russia have done it. We have had 2 successes with GSLV and next launch is due in October.
You would not appreciate it anyway.
Only those who aim high take the risk of falling.
Pakistan, which crawls along, is not going to crash!
HAL Dhruv.
The only thing embarrassing is you, never seen anyone so ignorant on aviation.
Name one helicopter which has never crashed or has not had developmental issues.
http://www.global-military.com/australian-mrh90-helicopters-grounded-due-to-engine-failure-all.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5028852/Rescue-helicopters-grounded-in-Sikorsky-air-safety-alert.html
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90851/7110028.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/03/23/339797/picture-turkeys-first-t129-attack-helicopter-crashes.html
Well for a person who thinks peter pan makes satellites in his back garden, the above will probably will go over your head. But still try to draw some inference on the hazards of Aviation.
IAF crashes:
BTW your link is from siyasat is a piece from the famous or notorious Rupee News! What to say of a piece which declares in confidence that all Indian Hardware crashes in 5 years!!!
Why the hell should the PAF spend money on anything then!!!
I still wonder why the PAF is not able to get any gains for its forces when all it has to do is fly against an air force that is non-existent or does not fly!!!!
And wow the American expert wants to be anonymous!!!!!
Anyway, authentic Pak Military figures are hard to come by. Given the dominance of Military and lack of civilian control on it, but here is something till 2003.
http://babriet.tripod.com/af-index.htm
I counted 15 PAF crashes in the year 2002, must have been a particularly bad year !
Considering that the PAF geographical operational area within Pakistan is much smaller that of India, and the PAF being the smaller air force, the numbers and rates claimed do not seem to add up. Additionally for a lot of the 90s, Pakistan was under sanctions under the Pressler Amendment by the US stopping military support and aid to Pakistan. Most of the f-16s and other western aircraft were on very restricted flying hours due to lack of spares and resources.
As for IAF attritions claimed, try to comprehend ad read this.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE2-4/rupak.html
Kargil:
Our men in Kargil are remembered, honoured and cherished.
Your comment on Indian soldiers being buried (so referring to Indian muslims) absolutely reiterates the level of your thinking.
This is how the Indian army treats the enemy dead. Who knows how many tiffin containers were used to carry them!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS8cKBgNsOI&p=031186C6E3FFCBB5&playnext=1&index=98
Remember how the Pakistani claimed that its army was not even supposed to be fighting in Kargil. Perfidy and Pakistan go hand in hand.
Plebiscite in Kashmir!
Ranting will not help. Deny along the UN resolution that plebiscite is not conditional to a Pakistani withdrawal from POK.
Ragards handing over parts of POK, I should not have used the term given by Pakistan!
It should be, paid Tribute!!!
After the e big Dragon also need to be paid by Pakistan for their services rendered.
The tribute paying is still going on!!
http://alpha.newsx.com/story/china-deploys-troops-poks-gilgit-area
Yaar is there anyone who does not use Pakistan!!!
This chappie here is actually proud that his country hands over parts of territory controlled by it to other nations!!
Talk about cutting off ones nose to spite the face!!!
Pakistani resilience in Afghanistan!
Frankly I do not know! I can only go by the resilience displayed by Pakistan in wars with India. Ending usually for Pakistan within a couple of weeks or with a quick run down hill or mass surrender.
1965,
Boy this is Pakistans pet war ,Defence of Pakistani day etc!!!!If the myth of this war is also not maintained to Pakistani Kaum kya bolega.
Boo Hooo ohh so bad for the Indian army to cross over and attack us across the border.
Why can’t they sneak in across the disputed Kashmir border like Pak does!!!!
Next time you fight a war use your brains and anticipate that the adversary may actually retaliate!!!!!
Cherry picked links on 1965 war!
This is one chap who is actually proud of command failures of the Pakistani army.
Leadership and thinking in a war is as important a factor in war as guns and tanks.
Some more prime example of the classical Pakistani, denials.
Actually the Indians did not make any gains it is Pakistan which lost by it incompetence!!
OR No the Indian did not win it we who lost due to (whatever excuse the person likes to add)
Forget the known fact that the Indian riposte across the IB into Pakistan gave the pak little choice!
Poor Pak, even while going against a non-existent air-force they end up only with a cease fire and lose MORE territory to India than gained!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1965
Rarely has any country has ever lost a conventional war where air –superiority is available.
Yeh apki fizaya sirf hawa mein hi rahti hain kya!!!Next time ask them if they can also take part and help in the war on ground.
And here is some more cherry picking on your ‘favorite war’ READ IT WELL.
‘But, Gen Musa said you need not to worry as according to him Indians would not retaliate.’
‘The miracle that the PAF achieved on September 6, to a large extent, is attributed to Nur Khan’s leadership. He led his force from up front and set personal example by going on some highly risky sorties himself. But then no commander, no matter how daring and how professional, can win a battle if his troops are not fully geared to face such challenges and that too within 43 days of change in command.’
The most important cheery!!!!!!!
“The performance of the Army did not match that of the PAF mainly because the leadership was not as professional. They had planned the ‘Operation Gibraltar’ for self-glory rather than in the national interest. It was a wrong war. And they misled the nation with a big lie that India rather than Pakistan had provoked the war and that we were the victims of Indian aggression”, Air Marshal Khan said
Consolation cheery!
‘When on the second day of war President Gen Ayub wanted to know how we were faring, Musa informed him that the Army had run out of even ammunition. That was the extent of preparation in the Army. And the information had shocked Gen Ayub so much that it could have triggered his heart ailment, which overtook him a couple of years later.’
Told you, some brains while fighting a war would be in order!!
Valuable lesson cherry and QUITE IMPORTANT!
‘This would have held the hands of the adventurers who followed Gen Ayub. Since the 1965 war was based on a big lie and was presented to the nation a great victory, the Army came to believe its own fiction and has used since, Ayub as its role model and therefore has continued to fight unwanted wars — the 1971 war and the Kargil fiasco in 1999, he said.’
‘In each of the subsequent wars we have committed the same mistakes that we committed in 1965.’
http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/06/nat2.htm
DO remember that this is a Pakistan Airforce Air Marshal speaking!!!
What kind of people initiates wars in Pakistan!!! That is the problem with whimsical military dictators. They promise the world to their people and project them selves as supermen!!
Why can’t you learn from history?
Nobody in India ever presents the 1962 defeat with China as a victory nor are excuses made on why we lost.
It was simple; we did not have capability. We did not HAVE even ONE Mountain division in 1962 ,our men were still using .303 bolt action, IAF air support capability was non-existent, logistics depended on mule tracks ,leader ship and command failure etc etc,
But the kick Chinese gave us wakened our politicians and forces. We learnt.
Pakistan made the mistake of thinking that India will again melt before it in an attack.
But, in 3 years from 62 to 65 India had improved and that resulted in the supposed sweeping victory for Pakistan to be turned into a stalemate!
The 1965 aggression prompted by Pakistan now confirmed our worst fears, that there is no way but to arm like hell and the enemy has to be paid back in the same manner.
That is what happened in 1971.
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Propaganda and Myths can be dangerous if internalized.People actually start believing it and start initiating wars on it.
How does Pak expect that it will initiate a conflict and then manage it as per its terms!!!
Whatever you do or believe it’s up to you, BUT do NOT take action based on the assumptions that India has no capabilities or the will to retaliate.
India has caused immense damage to Pakistan already .If Pakistan wants to fight the long fight, let there be no illusions that retaliation will be equal or more ruthless.
Flood aid!
You guys really look to aid as an entitlement!!!
Who told you that India wanted to look like a saint by giving aid to Pakistan.
‘’India had previously faced criticism for not joining in the international efforts to help its neighbour.’’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/20/pakistan-welcomes-flood-aid-india
India was initially quite reluctant to give aid to Pakistan. Correctly I think, why give aid which may ended up in the hands of terrorist.
Unfortunately, the Indian govt. responded to the criticism and announced the aid I think to answer the criticism as to why India is not helping Pakistan despite being a close neighbor.
India’s peevishness came up because first people criticize it for not offering aid to India, and when it does Pakistan dilly-dallies!
BTW (why) India has given 25 million $ more.
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/31/india-gives-25-mn-more-for-pak-flood-relief.htm
Naxalites!
Errr any idea What the North East means in India. Assam, Arunachal, Nagaland, Mizoram etc!!!!
The NAXAL ambush on the CRPF took place in Chattisgarh (Central India).
Do you know the number of CRPF personnel in India. Its nearly 250,000.
Unfortunate as it may be, BUT, means nothing to the overall picture.
Operations continue.
http://www.zeenews.com/news651024.html
http://sify.com/news/a-killing-that-has-the-maoists-rattled-news-columns-kjgoj9fieeb.html
I almost hope that the NAXALs take up ISI funding in a big way. It will at least shed the veneer of respectability as fighters for the poor and intellectual support will dry up.
Fighting for tribal rights, illegal mining, deforestation is one thing but hobnobbing with elements of an enemy state is quite another. BTW that is what the Naaxals are fighting for and they view the state forces as part of the exploitation set up!
BTW that is what the Naaxals are fighting for and they view the state forces as part of the exploitation set up!
No evidence of such funding has yet come up in a concrete way in the main naxal areas.
And about India’s Walt Disney Constitution.
It was framed and accepted in 1950 and remains so till day, intact abd robust.
Quite unlike the Pakistani one which changes every time a new general or govt comes in.
Wonder what they do with the old one, probably ends up a toilet paper in the general’s quarters!
Leave the policy framing to us!
Worry about your chaps!! Wonder what more wonders and lies your Ayub Khan inspired Generals are cooking up.
I would advise this be read a 100 times, NEVER have I come across such an appropriate, apt and befitting description for Pakistan.
‘’This is what he has to say about us: “Pakistan, which plays a key role in Asia, is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.’’
Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef’s My Life with the Taliban. Erstwhile -ambassador of the Islamic (Taliban) Emirate of Afghanistan
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/kamran-shafi-disaster-after-ignominy-after-disaster-180
Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef’s My Life with the Taliban. Erstwhile -ambassador of the Islamic (Taliban) Emirate of Afghanistan
And going by your take on land given to china you actually are proud of this!!!!
We know that since 1947!!!
That says it all, NOTHING NEEDS to be said further !!!!
u r such a lol…….according to u india have so many failures but the fact is still india moving ahead…..how comes????????? cummon dost let it be very clear v r no match of india
@ hindustani pride,
I am such a lol?! What does that even mean? I would’ve thought that your call centre would have taught you at least a few big words to use with your white customers, lol.
Pakistan and Hindustan do not compare, you are completely right – this is one of our lowest points in history, and one of your highest…and despite that, Pakistanis still live a better life than you guys! Isn’t that even slightly embarrassing?
A
@Architect,
Well my reply depends on what you have posted, never mind it being replete with the usual display of negativity/self-denial, liberal use of emotive expressions and paragraphs largely devoid of any substance.
On Iran:
Your golden words were ‘Tehran has come to the conclusion that ‘’Hindustanis’’ were a waste of time.’
BTW the IPI pipeline is originally a Pak idea with India taking an interest in the project in the 1990s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Pakistan%E2%80%93India_gas_pipeline
An insecure, indecisive nation will not have the capability to keep such a project on hold for decades.
India’s concern, price and security have been detailed /discussed in prior. Unless redressed by the project partners India is not under any compulsion or obligation to join the project and nor is it short of other viable alternatives.
The pipeline is not a social or a charitable project; the project has to be in the interest and benefit of India for it to join in. Nothing can be clearer than that, at least to those who think of their country first.
Finally accepting India’s social indicators!
This aspect has been discussed ad-nauseum by us. I had already given the links from the World Bank on the social Indicators of India, south Asia and Pakistan. Where everybody stands is clear.
And as usual, you missed the point made!
My earlier post has made it amply clear, that despite all our ‘social indicators’, developmental issues, poverty and problems we are moving ahead and actually achieving something. That is what scares you.
Unlike you, we do not believe that we are in a paradise or blind to the reality that surrounds us. We have achieved a lot BUT there is so much left for us to do.
Only the weak, complexed, insecure and those drilled in a mythical history will find the problems facing their country as shameful.
Development does not come by wailing, crying or wallowing in self-pity as you choose to do so. The only way is to industrialize and develop as fast as possible. It will take time; it will not happen overnight BUT surely and slowly we are going ahead.
“For the first time, the number of high income households is set to exceed the number of poor households in 2009-10,” the NCAER said, adding that the middle income class continued to grow.’’
http://www.businessworld.in/bw/2010_08_01_Rich_Outnumber_Poor_Middle_Class_Prospers.html
YESSSS , there are still millions of poor, some getting poorer, defecating on the streets etc etc yadayadada bllaalaah
BUT the fact is nothing except a growing and developing economy will give the poor a chance to rise.
That is the difference between you and us, we move ahead with optimism while you meander around, wasting your energy and meager resources on empty issues and picking up fights beyond your capability or capacity.
Ever cared to see what stage your economy has reached.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/editorial/economy-on-the-verge-of-collapse-790
Ahh the poor affected by the common wealth!!!
Wonder how the white guys start their bleeding hearts campaigns just when somebody apart from them is about to do something.
The Chinese went through the same things during the run up to their Olympic Games.
Evictions, oppression, banishments, beggars being hidden etc etc!
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http://english.pravda.ru/sports/games/13-03-2008/104486-summer_olympics-0/
These things will happen in societies, which have slums and illegal settlements and which have to be removed for construction; nothing unique of this taking place in any developing or even developed places.
And this is supposed to do what!!!!Dragging our entire country down!!!
Energy crisis an achievement! Where do you pull out such gems from!!!!Is that how you reassure yourselves in Pakistan!
All I had mentioned was the levels of energy consumption, requirements and infrastructure of a country indicates its development stage. A rapidly growing economy needs large amounts of energy.
Perhaps Pakistan is not aware of the term, but development usually is an ongoing and dynamic process .We are expanding and developing our energy sector pretty rapidly and according to our needs.
On China -Japan being ‘light years’ ahead of India!!!!! Man never saw anyone with such a defeatist attitude.
Did China think that USA was light years ahead when they started their reforms?No wonder you guys get nothing but handouts, which too are given out grudgingly!
And what makes you think that the travails of the Pak economy are related to the recent floods. Pak has been on international aid and assistance since the economic troubles in the early 2000s.
Population growth:
You really like going off at a tangent, don’t you.
The fact is Pakistan’s population is growing at a higher rate than that of India so that settles who is overproducing.!
Get into semantics of effective population, real population! And what is the difference in position you find!!! 6 LIGHT years perhaps wow!
At the current rate of Pakistan’s population growth that list is not going to remain static!
Open access of the US in Pakistan!
Foremost, the free roaming US drones in Pakistan!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/19/official-confirms-using-pakistan-base-launch-attacks/
Wow! one MNA politician not meeting Clinton and that secures Pakistan’s independence in policy!!!! Is she of any consequence in the decision making process of Pakistan.
Probably may be pissed off at not getting an invite to a party!
Did you not see the power elite of Pakistan, Zardari, Geelani,Querishi swoon and prostrate themselves before Clinton! Man you have to give it to Clinton! Even after all that, she says the worst of things about Pakistan in Pakistan itself!
Airbase in Pakistan under US control
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/airbase-near-jacobabad-under-us-control,-senate-panel-told-980
You cannot USE your OWN AIRBASE!!!
Recall the humiliation heaped on Pakistan on the Kerry Lugar Bill.
No wonder, when Pakistan bends to ever US whim and fancy, Pakistan actually had to deny that the US does not have access to its nukes since going by Paks track record its assumed that the US has had its way with Pakistan.
There are plenty of conspiracy theories, the US already controls Pak nukes.
Indian Army fake encounters!
Perhaps you refer to the fake incidents in Siachen and Kashmir.
One bad thing in the Army, In a hostile area ones merit is also seen by the ‘action’ and number of ‘kills’ a CO has got in his formation .The career and promotion of officers is dependent on it.
The problem is action is scarce, in Siachen, the Pak army has hardly tried anything in the last decade. In Kashmir most of the Terrorists are gunned down at the heavily secured border fencing itself and infiltration over the years is quite tough. Not much is around for a nice commendation in ones dossier!
So some unscrupulous chaps actually thought of getting some action by themselves!!
You guys are so bogged down in your own troubles not much action is coming our way!!!But they all have been punished.
Democracy works.
A population not willing or competent or lazy to actually exercise free will uses such excuses against democracies.
The people of Gujarat elected Narendra Modi in federal state elections. And it is the same democracy which ensured that a Non-BJP led secular govt came to power in the center and that cases are pursued against the rioters, that no matter how long it takes, the perpetrators of the Gujarat riots will never rest easy.
Nuclear liability bill:
Man you do get desperate, while comparing the US scenario with India. The parity attempted to be made is specious.
In any case reading and UNDERSTANDING helps.
‘On questions over the quantum of compensation of Rs1500
crore on the part of the operator, the minister said the amount, along with the 300 million dollar Special Drawing Rights (SDR), is exactly the same which is provided in the US.’
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_parliament-adopts-nuclear-liability-bill_1430988
And while noting your empathy for the impoverished of India (as much empathy probably as a vulture has for its prey) save some of your tears, wailings and empathy for your own people.
‘The large numbers of civilians (700 in 2009 alone) killed in the US drone strikes has fueled considerable anti-American sentiment in Pakistan. When pressed during a previous visit Secretary of State Hillary Clinton shrugged off concerns about the civilians, saying only “there’s a war going on.”
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/08/23/us-drone-strike-destroys-house-full-of-children-in-pakistan/
SEVEN HUNDRED civilians killed in 2009 alone and in PAKISTAN BY a Foreign power! And look at the reaction of Clinton and Your leaders.
And you have the gall and the hypocrisy of questioning our attitude toward our citizens.And you spew out pathetic links on how one MNA did not meet Clinton.
Where is their liability payment and HOW DOES it COMPARE to a US Citizen blown up by a FOREIGN drone in his country!!!
What kind of people are you guys, No shame or self-respect, only begairati! And still you prostrate before the mighty US for arms and aid.
And to top it all hilariously and pathetically try to claim US dominance on India!!!
Nuclear safety:
Ahh the one senator did not meet Clinton attempt!!!
Pak really tries their best to dig out something on ‘India’s’ poor safety record.
Wonder what they have to say on the records of these guys!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_and_radiation_accidents
No radiation leaks, no major fires, no core-meltdown, no venting to the atmosphere, so what does the guy form his opinion on, a tritium leak, not even fissile material.
I wonder what opinion the opinion maker you quoted had on this!
Two die at Pakistan nuclear plant
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7337026.stm
Wonder what compensation these guys get!
Kuwaiti MPs on Kashmiri!
This one tops the one senator does not meet Clinton achievement!!!!
3 Kuwaiti MPs forming something called a ‘hewabit Al-Ummah Group’ have said something on Kashmir!
Maybe they have some voters with links to Pakistan or Kashmir whom they want to please or make it to the news!
And you twist it to look like the into the official position of the Kuwait Govt!!!
http://kmsnews.org/news/%E2%80%98kashmir-has-right-decide-its-fate%E2%80%99
Oh the desperation, this is not even clutching at straws! Lie and deceive, fulfill your infatuation for Brahmins(why does this guy remember them all the time) all you wish, but as they say, the ‘fitrat ‘of Pakistan is only too well known to Kuwait also!!
BTW is not Kuwait one of the biggest US bases in the Middle-East.
Hey your brain has been on vacation for too long, time to call it back!
Boos ne 3 MP ke Group ko pura Kuwait bana dala!
That is called Pakistani maths!
Pakistani Locomotives:I thought we were discussing defective Chinese locos imported by the Pakistan Railways! Not whether Pak made locos or not .The context was totally different .Why bring pak loco factory in it !Anyway! Amazing factory!!!
Was this factory opened for kickbacks! This unit has manufactured a royal 23 Diesel loco SINCE 1993!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Railways#Pakistan_Locomotive_Factory.2C_Risalpur
What kind of a factory is this!!!! 23 diesel locos in 17 YEARS. Surely Pak rail is not that small!
No wonder you guys had to import (why defective though) Chinese locos!!
Are you sure it’s a factory and not some sort of Garage to assemble imported kits.
Surely no one opens a loco factory just to keep it idle!
Industrial disasters!
Bhopal: Yah another one of your hypocrisy coming through! Spouting piety and prayers of Ramzan, while gloating on an industrial disaster. BTW did you know that Bhopal has a very large Muslim population and the Muslims constituted almost 50% of the victims.
So much for your religious piety.
Political assassinations:
Which spiritual leader being blown up are you talking about!
I was talking of the chaotic ways of Pakistan in the political context. For example The saga of Zia and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. Zia took over power as a military man and then hanged Bhutto! Just like that and because he could.
Zia himself was killed in an irony of fate!
Later the story of Musharraf, who came to power in a coup and then promptly exiled Nawaz!
All according to one’s whims and fancy, write your own laws, constitution and basically do as you please till you either are killed or forced out by protests.
HAS ANY Pakistani leader from the days of Ayub Khan ever leave office in dignity or peace?
Pakistan coming back to India!
Are you raving mad, who in his right senses would want a people like Pakistanis to be a part of their country?
If 10 Pakistanis happen to fly in an international flight and they talk loudly, there is general panic in the aircraft!!!!! Heard the story of the Pak army officers who were deplaned just for talking and on suspicion!
Say Pakistani, and the first thought that comes to mind is ,uh-oh trouble!
Thanks but no thanks; stay on your side, FOREVER preferably!
And Bangladesh not joining India!
I hear this repeatedly. Not one plan or paper has ever been laid out that India planned to occupy Bangladesh.
Why would India want millions and millions of Bangladeshis to join its already large population?We are spending millions and millions on Border fencing on the Indo-Bangladesh border to prevent illegal migration.
This is another one of the classical Pakistani self-assurance cum denials.
Yes yes Bangladesh was liberated, BUT did they join India? Could India make her an Indian state?
Man you guys scrape the dregs to somehow assure yourself that Pakistan got something!!!!
The two nation theory and Indian unity a Myth!
Your comment on Indian unity is irrelevant coming from a country already broken up. The day East Pakistan took up the fight on an issue apart from Islam, based on local political aspiration, language and culture the two nation theory stood dead.
Second, when there are more Muslims OUTSIDE Pakistan in South –Asia then within it.
Then this guys has views on it:
http://www.mqm.org/English-News/Jun-2000/twonation-210600.htm
IPI pipline:
Instead of hyperventilating and hurling invectives a little awareness helps:
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/china-keen-on-joining-iran-pakistan-india-pipeline-project_10064600.html
China has been keen to step in for a long time.
You think Pakistan would be able to take any steps without at least one big daddy propping it in the background!
If you were talking about investment in the political context, say so in the post.
The only thing supreme is national self-interest and mutual interests. No country in the world is acting out of love or generosity. Pakistan should know best about it!
Note how the US and west abandoned Pakistan after the Russkis left Afghanistan, AND how they rushed back after 9\11.
Regards Benefactors! Pakistan should be well aware of that term!
Boy your plaintive proclamations on how nobody listens or is bothered of India are reaching the levels of high heavens now!!!
Do you guys have to delude yourself to such a big extent!
Who is bothered what the world wants to listen to on their problems; the crucial thing is what India can do to make the world listen to its most vital policy issues. The issue of Kashmir, trade, economic issues, climate change, security.
‘Ban Ki Moon denies his statement on Kashmir’
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6451760-ban-ki-moon-denies-his-statement-on-kashmir
‘India, China and Brazil have come a long way in global trade negotiations emerging as “big brothers”, WTO chief Pascal Lamy has said.’
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/Economy/Foreign_Trade/India_is_among_big_brothers_of_WTO_Pascal_Lamy/articleshow/3373292.cms
‘Four formerly developing countries took the reins during climate talks in Copenhagen: China, India, Brazil, and South Africa. It could herald a redistribution of global clout, some experts say.’
It was these countries that ensured that the west did not ram down climate changes for the benefits of the western world.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/copenhagen
Piddly pipeline:
Oh why don’t you at least try to read what is said! The IPI will involve.1st investment by India, 2ndpayment of Transit fees to Pakistan,3rd Insurance against disruption of supply which will be high given the war risk of the areas in Pakistan and what happens in time of conflict.All these combine to make the LNG option equally attractive. It all there in the article I posted.
Same goes for the dependency of India for oil from Saudi Arabia. Forgot to read the links posted on acquisitions being made by India is Russian, Venezuelan, African , Iranian oil fields!!!!
Why are you so worried about the viability of LNG?
India has 4 terminals and is building 5 more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LNG_terminals#India
PALM OIL imports ?? Why the hell are you talking of Palm oil imports by Pakistan from Malaysia!!! Do your cars run on it??????
Or is possible that you are missing that thing called a brain more than ever!
OIC and the HDI, what’s the link????
So Israel and USA. outranking most of the OIC chaps in HDI automatically get a moral elevation and their sins against the Muslim world gets washed away!!
Wow!!!
I thought that the common factor was Islam not HDI! Or did you think by being member of OIC Pakistan too got an automatic promotion!!!
The numbers that matter to India:
China 92
India 134
Pakistan 141
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
And here pick out the rest yourselves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_the_Islamic_Conference
Shias:
Rant and rave all you like, but the fact is that the districts with higher Shia populace in Kashmir have the lesser or least amount of problems in Kashmir.
Your shrieks on Hindu fascism (strange when India is ruled by a secular party)are amusing, but the best is when you claim there are no troubles in Pakistan!
100s of Shias have been killed by suicide bombers in Pakistan in mosques and religious procession in the past few weeks alone.
And these go back a long way, forget mainland Pakistan, even Gilgit –Baltistan have not been spared.
‘The Gilgit-Baltistan region is no stranger to sectarian turmoil. Though the area has experienced bouts of communal violence since the 1980s.’
http://www.dawn.com.pk/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/editorial/violence-in-gilgit-880
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3772331.stm
Better get acquainted with the religious proclivities and atrocities on people under your nose before looking afar!!
The rioters of Gujarat are being punished over the years. Wonder what happens in peaceful tranquil Pakistan.
On an example of Pak govt sponsored killings: Genocide in Bangaldesh, operations searchlight in collusion with the razakars.
You think the Shias of Kashmir will not note or know what is happening in their vicinity and to their kindred in POK.
Mindless propaganda on Kashmir gives a delusional comfort. Things are not so simple for Pakistan in Kashmir as it is made out to be by your side!
Pakistani Commandos and shias!
Read this, I cannot make it more clear for you:
‘’The local population of Indian Held Kashmir did not co-operate with the Gibraltar Force and by 18th August the operations of the Gibraltar Force were considerably reduced’’
http://www.defencejournal.com/2000/sept/grand-slam.htm
Maj (Retd) AGHA HUMAYUN AMIN
I do not remember what link you mention, all I can say is going by your take on the MNA woman politician Marvi Memon not meeting Clinton or the 3 Kuwaiti MPs as representing the whole of Kuwait, probably some miniscule element of Kashmiri support in 1965 was enough for you to make it into 100% support of Kashmiri ‘s.
Yaar, why Do you think ALL Kashmiris will like Pakistanis!!
Oh the girls who cut the jehadi up!!!
You are the shia-sunni expert.
Rukshsana KAUSAR D/O Noor HUSSEIN ,deduce the rest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rukhsana_Kausar
Pushing Kashmiris out:
The web of delusions that you weave around yourself never ceases to amaze me.
The 700,000 or million or 10 million Indian Army soldiers is such a magical number.
The Indian Army is deployed on the LOC and its prime job is anti-infiltration. The CRPF and the J&K police carry out all internal security duties in populated areas of Kashmir.
The Israeli approach is for Israel. They do it since they actually see and look at the Palestinians as totally alien.
J&K is considered part of India and its citizens are ours, therein lies the difference of approach.
So unlike Pakistan or Israel we don not go around pounding our citizens with artillery or from the air.
And BTW learn how the Israelis are deployed. NONE are deployed in the Palestinian territories.
They surround the Palestinian areas, from the land ,sea and air .Its a huge prison and entry/exit is only through controlled points .Any incursion by Israelis into Palestinian areas in with full force of armour and air cover. Or they simply bomb the house of the target using F-16s or Helo gunships.The do nor recgnise the elected govt in Palestine,the Hamas.
Nothing common to Kashmir.
On the subduing part, Aww heard this so often.
In the 90s it was the Jihadis who were to kick the Indian army out like the Russians from Afghanistan. When the jehadis were screwed , then came the line , aww you guys cannot even control a few thousand Jehadis. Then guys were gradually hunted down and are reduced to sporadic attacks and ambushes.
Now we have the great teenage stone thrower to be subdued!! THE Marvin Memon and the Kuwaiti MP class factor!!!
Let them throw what they like, we are in no hurry to go anywhere and we have all the time on our hands.
Yaar,why get confused on the spread of the terrorist activities in J&K, I had given you a map earlier.
Here it is again:
http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/jammuandkashmir/jammuandkashmir-district.htm
Follow the news on the web and you can make out the areas and decide for yourself!
Take your time, and work out why incidents keep themselves limited top a certain boundary and not the whole of Kashmir!
Man you are sticking to Nehru’s advisor as by his words Kashmir is going to be personally gifted to you!!!!!
No such luck kid! Its on such delusions that makes Pakistan continue its antics in Kashmir.
And that is why Pakistan really has it bad on Kashmir! No matter what they do what they try, in the heart of hearts they know that the best chance they have to come to Kashmir is in the Bus from Muzzafarabad to Sri-Nagar!!!!
The Fact is Pakistan feels an entitlement to Kashmir which is not backed by ability. Pakistan can do little to India economically or militarily, hence the clutching at every straw that comes along.
OIC resolutions,3 Kuwaiti MPs, proclamation by occasional western politician.
And there is that sinking feeling that time is running out.
The desperation almost bothers on the pathetic.
Kashmiri intifada!!!
It took them all these years to come up with that!!! How convenient!!!
Ak47s and IED se to kuch hua nahin,chalo pathhar phenk ke dekh lete hain!!!
The only country which hates Pakistan is India.
I differ with the term’ ONLY”!!!!!!
Pakistan existence being a kick on the teeth!
Don’t flatter ourselves!
Imagine the problems we would have had with trouble- makers like you being a part of India. Man whatever investments we are getting would have flown out of the window.
The label Pakistan is not exactly the most coveted label going around!!!!
Thank God for Jinnah and peace be on him ! And thank destiny and he for tucking you guys away in that part of the world!!!
In fact the floundering and struggles of Pakistan helps us, when we have a bad day, it always, Hey seen the Pakistanis and one does realize Yah there are guys and places who have it much ,much worse.
Apart from being a geo-strategic hot spot I really cannot think of any reason what benefit Pakistan would be to India. It will probably drain and swallow anything invested in it.
Space!
The less you talk about it, the better!!!.
Satellites off course are no big deal, Pakistan makes them by the dozens at Darra and every corner shop.
Why don’t you get it from them, then perhaps Pakistan will not hire dumped and rejected satellites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAKSAT
Only 4 nations, china, European space agency,USA and Russia have done it. We have had 2 successes with GSLV and next launch is due in October.
You would not appreciate it anyway.
Only those who aim high take the risk of falling.
Pakistan, which crawls along, is not going to crash!
HAL Dhruv.
The only thing embarrassing is you, never seen anyone so ignorant on aviation.
Name one helicopter which has never crashed or has not had developmental issues.
http://www.global-military.com/australian-mrh90-helicopters-grounded-due-to-engine-failure-all.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5028852/Rescue-helicopters-grounded-in-Sikorsky-air-safety-alert.html
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90851/7110028.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/03/23/339797/picture-turkeys-first-t129-attack-helicopter-crashes.html
Well for a person who thinks peter pan makes satellites in his back garden, the above will probably will go over your head. But still try to draw some inference on the hazards of Aviation.
IAF crashes:
BTW your link is from siyasat is a piece from the famous or notorious Rupee News! What to say of a piece which declares in confidence that all Indian Hardware crashes in 5 years!!!
Why the hell should the PAF spend money on anything then!!!
I still wonder why the PAF is not able to get any gains for its forces when all it has to do is fly against an air force that is non-existent or does not fly!!!!
And wow the American expert wants to be anonymous!!!!!
Anyway, authentic Pak Military figures are hard to come by. Given the dominance of Military and lack of civilian control on it, but here is something till 2003.
http://babriet.tripod.com/af-index.htm
I counted 15 PAF crashes in the year 2002, must have been a particularly bad year !
Considering that the PAF geographical operational area within Pakistan is much smaller that of India, and the PAF being the smaller air force, the numbers and rates claimed do not seem to add up. Additionally for a lot of the 90s, Pakistan was under sanctions under the Pressler Amendment by the US stopping military support and aid to Pakistan. Most of the f-16s and other western aircraft were on very restricted flying hours due to lack of spares and resources.
As for IAF attritions claimed, try to comprehend ad read this.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE2-4/rupak.html
Kargil:
Our men in Kargil are remembered, honoured and cherished.
Your comment on Indian soldiers being buried (so referring to Indian muslims) absolutely reiterates the level of your thinking.
This is how the Indian army treats the enemy dead. Who knows how many tiffin containers were used to carry them!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS8cKBgNsOI&p=031186C6E3FFCBB5&playnext=1&index=98
Remember how the Pakistani claimed that its army was not even supposed to be fighting in Kargil. Perfidy and Pakistan go hand in hand.
Plebiscite in Kashmir!
Ranting will not help. Deny along the UN resolution that plebiscite is not conditional to a Pakistani withdrawal from POK.
Ragards handing over parts of POK, I should not have used the term given by Pakistan!
It should be, paid Tribute!!!
After the e big Dragon also need to be paid by Pakistan for their services rendered.
The tribute paying is still going on!!
http://alpha.newsx.com/story/china-deploys-troops-poks-gilgit-area
Yaar is there anyone who does not use Pakistan!!!
This chappie here is actually proud that his country hands over parts of territory controlled by it to other nations!!
Talk about cutting off ones nose to spite the face!!!
Pakistani resilience in Afghanistan!
Frankly I do not know! I can only go by the resilience displayed by Pakistan in wars with India. Ending usually for Pakistan within a couple of weeks or with a quick run down hill or mass surrender.
1965,
Boy this is Pakistans pet war ,Defence of Pakistani day etc!!!!If the myth of this war is also not maintained to Pakistani Kaum kya bolega.
Boo Hooo ohh so bad for the Indian army to cross over and attack us across the border.
Why can’t they sneak in across the disputed Kashmir border like Pak does!!!!
Next time you fight a war use your brains and anticipate that the adversary may actually retaliate!!!!!
Cherry picked links on 1965 war!
This is one chap who is actually proud of command failures of the Pakistani army.
Leadership and thinking in a war is as important a factor in war as guns and tanks.
Some more prime example of the classical Pakistani, denials.
Actually the Indians did not make any gains it is Pakistan which lost by it incompetence!!
OR No the Indian did not win it we who lost due to (whatever excuse the person likes to add)
Forget the known fact that the Indian riposte across the IB into Pakistan gave the pak little choice!
Poor Pak, even while going against a non-existent air-force they end up only with a cease fire and lose MORE territory to India than gained!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1965
Rarely has any country has ever lost a conventional war where air –superiority is available.
Yeh apki fizaya sirf hawa mein hi rahti hain kya!!!Next time ask them if they can also take part and help in the war on ground.
And here is some more cherry picking on your ‘favorite war’ READ IT WELL.
‘But, Gen Musa said you need not to worry as according to him Indians would not retaliate.’
‘The miracle that the PAF achieved on September 6, to a large extent, is attributed to Nur Khan’s leadership. He led his force from up front and set personal example by going on some highly risky sorties himself. But then no commander, no matter how daring and how professional, can win a battle if his troops are not fully geared to face such challenges and that too within 43 days of change in command.’
The most important cheery!!!!!!!
“The performance of the Army did not match that of the PAF mainly because the leadership was not as professional. They had planned the ‘Operation Gibraltar’ for self-glory rather than in the national interest. It was a wrong war. And they misled the nation with a big lie that India rather than Pakistan had provoked the war and that we were the victims of Indian aggression”, Air Marshal Khan said
Consolation cheery!
‘When on the second day of war President Gen Ayub wanted to know how we were faring, Musa informed him that the Army had run out of even ammunition. That was the extent of preparation in the Army. And the information had shocked Gen Ayub so much that it could have triggered his heart ailment, which overtook him a couple of years later.’
Told you, some brains while fighting a war would be in order!!
Valuable lesson cherry and QUITE IMPORTANT!
‘This would have held the hands of the adventurers who followed Gen Ayub. Since the 1965 war was based on a big lie and was presented to the nation a great victory, the Army came to believe its own fiction and has used since, Ayub as its role model and therefore has continued to fight unwanted wars — the 1971 war and the Kargil fiasco in 1999, he said.’
‘In each of the subsequent wars we have committed the same mistakes that we committed in 1965.’
http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/06/nat2.htm
DO remember that this is a Pakistan Airforce Air Marshal speaking!!!
What kind of people initiates wars in Pakistan!!! That is the problem with whimsical military dictators. They promise the world to their people and project them selves as supermen!!
Why can’t you learn from history?
Nobody in India ever presents the 1962 defeat with China as a victory nor are excuses made on why we lost.
It was simple; we did not have capability. We did not HAVE even ONE Mountain division in 1962 ,our men were still using .303 bolt action, IAF air support capability was non-existent, logistics depended on mule tracks ,leader ship and command failure etc etc,
But the kick Chinese gave us wakened our politicians and forces. We learnt.
Pakistan made the mistake of thinking that India will again melt before it in an attack.
But, in 3 years from 62 to 65 India had improved and that resulted in the supposed sweeping victory for Pakistan to be turned into a stalemate!
The 1965 aggression prompted by Pakistan now confirmed our worst fears, that there is no way but to arm like hell and the enemy has to be paid back in the same manner.
That is what happened in 1971.
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Propaganda and Myths can be dangerous if internalized.People actually start believing it and start initiating wars on it.
How does Pak expect that it will initiate a conflict and then manage it as per its terms!!!
Whatever you do or believe it’s up to you, BUT do NOT take action based on the assumptions that India has no capabilities or the will to retaliate.
India has caused immense damage to Pakistan already .If Pakistan wants to fight the long fight, let there be no illusions that retaliation will be equal or more ruthless.
Flood aid!
You guys really look to aid as an entitlement!!!
Who told you that India wanted to look like a saint by giving aid to Pakistan.
‘’India had previously faced criticism for not joining in the international efforts to help its neighbour.’’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/20/pakistan-welcomes-flood-aid-india
India was initially quite reluctant to give aid to Pakistan. Correctly I think, why give aid which may ended up in the hands of terrorist.
Unfortunately, the Indian govt. responded to the criticism and announced the aid I think to answer the criticism as to why India is not helping Pakistan despite being a close neighbor.
India’s peevishness came up because first people criticize it for not offering aid to India, and when it does Pakistan dilly-dallies!
BTW (why) India has given 25 million $ more.
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/31/india-gives-25-mn-more-for-pak-flood-relief.htm
Naxalites!
Errr any idea What the North East means in India. Assam, Arunachal, Nagaland, Mizoram etc!!!!
The NAXAL ambush on the CRPF took place in Chattisgarh (Central India).
Do you know the number of CRPF personnel in India. Its nearly 250,000.
Unfortunate as it may be, BUT, means nothing to the overall picture.
Operations continue.
http://www.zeenews.com/news651024.html
http://sify.com/news/a-killing-that-has-the-maoists-rattled-news-columns-kjgoj9fieeb.html
I almost hope that the NAXALs take up ISI funding in a big way. It will at least shed the veneer of respectability as fighters for the poor and intellectual support will dry up.
Fighting for tribal rights, illegal mining, deforestation is one thing but hobnobbing with elements of an enemy state is quite another. BTW that is what the Naaxals are fighting for and they view the state forces as part of the exploitation set up!
BTW that is what the Naaxals are fighting for and they view the state forces as part of the exploitation set up!
No evidence of such funding has yet come up in a concrete way in the main naxal areas.
And about India’s Disney Constitution.
It was framed and accepted in 1950 and remains so till day, intact and robust.
Quite unlike the Pakistani one which changes every time a new general or govt comes in.
Wonder what they do with the old one, probably ends up a toilet paper in the general’s quarters!
Leave the policy framing to us!!
Worry about your chaps!! Wonder what more wonders and lies your Ayub Khan inspired Generals are cooking up.
I would advise this be read a 100 times, NEVER have I come across such an appropriate, apt and befitting description for Pakistan.
‘’This is what he has to say about us: “Pakistan, which plays a key role in Asia, is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.’’
Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef’s My Life with the Taliban. Erstwhile -ambassador of the Islamic (Taliban) Emirate of Afghanistan
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/kamran-shafi-disaster-after-ignominy-after-disaster-180
Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef’s My Life with the Taliban. Erstwhile -ambassador of the Islamic (Taliban) Emirate of Afghanistan
And going by your take on land given to china you actually are proud of this!!!!
We know that since 1947!!!
That says it all, NOTHING NEEDS to be said further !!!!
Double post!
Man these posts disappear-reappear
sadly kashmir is not the land for muslims alone!!!…there were people from all other regions who want to be India! overwhelming majority when compared to just north kashmir where insurgency is at its worst! kashmiri pundits were thrown out so no wonder we have 90% muslims saying they want ” azaadi”!!! they made them get out and attain a majority so they have lost all credibility & cant say they are being ill treated…may be they are but not after wat they have done
to the pundits!
You can’t even look after your Dalits and religious minorities in Hindustan proper, why are so concerned about the Pundits of Kashmir? If it’s such a bother for you, the world is still waiting patiently for that plebiscite…but I have a feeling we will be waiting much longer.
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@ rajk,
Surprise surprise…verbal diarhoea, sent twice. Am I supposed to be put off by the sheer length of your mindless blathering? Haven’t you realised yet that most of your infantile points do more to reinforce my points than they do your own?
Hindustan’s desperation for energy in fact means it is indeed very dependent on this pipeline. Of course Pakistan has been interested in the idea from the beginning; what does that prove? Islamabad has had a very clear, very open agenda regarding the pipeline from Day 1 – but then again, our energy policy isn’t crippled by impotent, self-conscious eunuchs who’s cheif priority is to scupper the ambitions of its neighours. I think you’ll find that such a nihilistic policy will only lead to further setbacks for you in future. It takes a complete moron to brag about transporting energy via a sea route instead…but if you somehow see that as a victory, well, good for you! Pay through the nose because you’re scared of your gas coming through Pakistan! Other than your humorous delusions, thinking that Tehran or Islamabad really have any concern for your involvement, what Hindustan does regarding the pipeline is largely irrelevant.
LOL – yes, we have discussed the social indicators of Hindustan and Pakistan; that was one of the first points at which I realised you were a complete fool.
http://devdata.worldbank.org/AAG/ind_aag.pdf
In your stupidity, you posted up these links without actually consulting the information first – as a result, when I pointed out that Pakistan has a higher percentage of people with access to drinking water than Hindustan, your reply was…silence. When I also mentioned that life expectancy in Pakistan was higher than that in Hindustan, you replied with…er, silence. You’re absolutely right, where everybody stands is clear…lol, I wish I could debate with people like you every day of the week…
…now tell me this, in any of my posts, when did I call Pakistan a paradise? Those were your words – now be a man and prove them. Tell me once where I described Pakistan as a paradise. What I HAVE bragged about is the privilege that Pakistanis have of never having to be awoken in the middle of the night and watch the men in their families murdered in front of them for their religious identity…yes I have to admit, I did brag about that a little. Can’t see you or your kind being able to do that any time soon. You have populated your post with yet more useless words, rambling about ’self-pity,’ etc etc, and referring to things that were never even discussed. When all the smoke coming out of your backside has cleared up, the truth remains clear and stark.
‘Indians blame growth for rich-poor gap’
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/indians-blame-growth-for-richpoor-gap/678561/
“Liberalisation of the economy notwithstanding, two-third of Indians blame economic growth for the widening divide between the rich and the poor, according to a survey.”
Widening. Do we need to have a separate discussion about what that means, or can your call-centre english deal with the translation? Now I have to sit back and wait for yet more crap about ‘Hindustan is shining, we will march on, blah blah blah…’ yup – you march on through those sewers. Try not to get your feet wet.
No, actually there have been no nations who have suffered the same levels of humiliation as Hindustan when it comes to hosting the Commonwealth Games. Not even China, which is a favourite target for zealous western commentators, has been as badly scolded for its flagrant mismanagement. The global consensus is that your incompetent organisers have been using the games to siphon billions of dollars off the funding for the event, while continuing to make life miserable for the country’s many impoverished masses.
India’s Commonwealth Games Mess
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2013182,00.html
Corruption, delays, disease, mismanagement…and you’re still trying to compare yourself to China?! My advice to you would be to let this go, and do your standard retreat – ‘we will rise, we will succeed, blah blah blah…’
LOL – and here you are trying to elaborate on energy development. You really don’t get it, do you? It can only be a Hindustani who looks at his country’s crippling energy crisis and sees it as something to brag about – this is almost as sad as you looking at your female infanticide stats and using them to brag about your free press…seriously, I genuinely wonder how low you can sink. Pakistan is also currently suffering a huge energy crisis – should we hire Shah Rukh Khan and make a film about it? No – it’s a national shame, to everybody in the world except you and you kind.
How can I have a defeatist attitude about Hindustan? I don’t really care for the country, apart from the standard humanitarian concerns that anybody would have about your routine ethno-religious riots and your rampant, disease-ridden poverty, combined with your primitive, bestial tribal customs. That kind of behaviour offends most right-thinking humans, my friend; time to stop calling it ‘defeatism’ and start trying to tackle it.
Your knowledge of Pakistan’s economy is rubbish; huge surprise there.
Economy of Pakistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Pakistan#Growing_middle_class
“Pakistan government spent over 1 trillion Rupees (about $16.7 billion) on poverty alleviation programs during the past four years, cutting poverty from 35% in 2000-01 to 24% in 2006.”
LOL…this was years before the floods.
“By October 2007, Pakistan raised back its Foreign Reserves to a handsome $16.4 billion. Exceptional policies kept Pakistan’s trade deficit controlled at $13 billion, exports boomed to $18 billion, revenue generation increased to become $13 billion and attracted foreign investment of $8.4 billion”
Seems you’re once again out of your depth. I think we’re done on this subject.
Why are you so upset about your overpopulation crisis? I didn’t even understand your response…something about six light years, lol. Hmm. So far Pakistan is not suffering the same crisis as her eastern neighbour, but tell you what – you keep praying that that changes! That’s the spirit! LOL…and I’m the one with the ‘defeatist’ attitude?!
Oh no, you’re mocking our political leaders…ouch, that’s really got to hurt! I’m sorry, ‘Steve’, but there are millions of people in Pakistan with wit and intellect far greater than yours who are taking our current leaders apart for their spineless behaviour day after day. Likewise there are parliamentarians like Marvi Memon who refuse outright to accept US bullying; the same stance in adopted by the military and the awam, and that is why, in your desperation to prove your point, you have to fall back on Zardari and Geelani – two of the biggest stooges in the country’s political landscape! I suppose it’s easier than looking at my links and actually accepting your own ignorance, right?
We can’t use our own airbase? Really?
PAF says Shahbaz airbase under its control
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/national/paf-says-shahbaz-airbase-under-its-control-080
The above article was from the same source that you used, just the day after your link. Another argument from ‘Steve’ falls flat on its face.
My advice to you; if you’re going to be a two-faced liar, try diversifying your source material. Right now you’re making this so easy for me it’s genuinely embarrassing.
Check this out! ‘Steve’ is supporting his home troops! LOL…yes, apparently now in Hindustan it is acceptable for ’soldiers’ to decorate themselves after fake encounters. You’re lucky I’m even using the term ’soldiers’ to describe these duplicitous monkeys. As if it weren’t enough for them to get away with shooting down civilians on a daily basis, you have the nerve to justify their actions by basically telling me that they are bored, and looking for commendations. So why do we not have the same scandals in Pakistan? Why do our soldiers somehow have enough dignity – despite our country apparently being on the verge of collapse (LOL!) – to avoid shooting up civilians and dressing them up as terrorists, just to gain a cheap promotion? Maybe it’s just a culture clash, who knows!
Spare me your drivel about democracy, you’re just wasting space. Unless you’ve missed it, I cannot be easily convinced with this ‘democracy works, all criminals for Gujarat crimes will face justice’ rubbish. There is NO factual basis for what you are claiming, so really, unless by some miracle there is a development to bring justice to the thousands of victims of Gujarat (throughout history, not just in 2002), you really should just sit down and hope for a change in subject. It is pathetic and embarrassing that a country like Pakistan, which you yourself have accused of being governed by mullahs, cannot hold a candle to the levels of government-sponsored violence that was seen in Hindustan in 2002. That, in a nutshell, is the reason for Pakistan’s existence – and nothing will change that, my friend.
It seems the simple issue of nuclear dependence has made you wet your pants all over again. Suddenly we’re talking about drone strikes and Marvi Memon, lol. Aw, does somebody have a crush?
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_parliament-adopts-nuclear-liability-bill_1430988
Try reading a little further down the article.
“CPI(M) member Sitaram Yechury, however, contested Chavan’s contention that the compensation amount matches that of the US and moved an amendment for raising it to Rs10,000 crore which was defeated.”
In other words, it’s a claim as yet, which is not necessarily true. Given the standard Hindustani inclination for lying (as you yourself have proven regularly), maybe we should wait and see how this turns out. Seems like your ‘patriotic’ people didn’t think Rs10,000 crore was enough to make up for the life of a Hindustani!
It’s only really your left-wing parties that have stood firm on your ‘country’s’ independence – with little success.
US Imperialism: Hands Off India
http://pd.cpim.org/2007/0909/09092007_arjun.htm
These are the same parties who have campaigned regularly against the exploitative neo-liberal policies that the US foisted upon Hindustan, which accounts largely for the rampant rich-poor divide plaguing the ‘country’ today. Good to see there are a handful of Hindustanis with spines, even if they are sidelined in mainstream politics!
As for nuclear responsibility, once again I’d suggest you do a little bit more research before you make a complete idiot of yourself. Hindustan has proven that its performance on this front is almost as impeccable as it is with the Commonwealth Games.
Nuclear safety: A poor record
http://www.indiatogether.org/2007/mar/env-nukesafe.htm
“As recently as 2003, there have been accidents involving high radiation exposures to workers. Despite this record, claims about safe operation are sometimes made by the nuclear establishment in India.”
Wow…yet another example of Hindustanis being liars. Do you see a pattern emerging?
So tell me this, when did I suggest that a single Kuwaiti MP was representative of the whole country? Hmm…is this another famous Hindustani ‘faked encounter’ here? I simply made the point that a small, relatively insignificant country like Kuwait can have a genuine voice calling for the rights of Kashmiris. Not to difficult for you to understand, is it?
For the record, you should spend some more time reading through that website – I know how much you love spending your evenings researching Pakistan, maybe you can do some homework on occupied Pakistan as well.
Why Kashmiris observe October 27 as Black Day!
http://kmsnews.org/articles/why-kashmiris-observe-october-27-black-day
Indian interventions ruining Kashmir’s handicraft sector
http://kmsnews.org/articles/indian-interventions-ruining-kashmirs-handicraft-sector
India’s Rape of own Commitments
http://kmsnews.org/databank/indias-rape-own-commitments
Just a few for you to digest; I know how you can only take the truth in small doses.
It was you who raised the issue of Chinese locomotives, not me – and that was because you were stung into trying to explain your own industrial failures, such as shoddy, lethal chimneys. LOL…oh but wait, your explanation was the same old crap – ‘yes, our chimneys kill our own people, but we have a free press and we will march on and on!’ LOL…if you can change your record just once and explain how the so-called industrial giants of Hindustan are so completely dwarved by China and Japan, then maybe we can take a look at the Pakistan locos that have caught your attention. What do you say?
It takes a special kind of idiot to create a link between the Bhopal disaster and the month of Ramadan, but somehow you have managed it. When you make these kinds of comments about ‘piety’ and ‘gloating’, I genuinely ask myself whether it’s worth replying to you, because you come across as a socially retarded teenager. Who the hell cares about the religious make-up of Bhopal? When was that ever even an issue? Oh wait, I forgot – to a Hindustani, nothing is complete without some sort of communal angle…so much for looking at the value of human lives, then. You have absolutely no shame. You don’t even have the dignity to accept your government’s humilating failures on gaining compensation (New Delhi demanded $3.3bn and had to make do with a paltry $470mn, which was more or less UCC’s suggested amount); instead you seek refuge in this disgusting, Hindustani trait of examining the religion of the deceased. This is the same mentality that governs your disturbing ‘Shia’ asessment, but we’ll come to that later.
I’m sorry I did not clarify which Hindustani spiritual leader it was who was blown up; I completely forgot that in your ‘country’ it’s quite a routine procedure. My sincere apologies, lol. I was referring to Gandhi – although I need to be even clearer, because most of the Gandhis who governed in Hindustan ended up being picked up with a mop and bucket, didn’t they? And you’re lecturing me about a hanging and a few exiles?! Are you insane or just plain stupid?
Speaking of Gandhi, it was his initial belief that Pakistan would return to Hindustan within weeks – Jinnah delivered that one last humiliation to him though, and protected Pakistan from the designs of Mountbatten and Nehru. Since then, ‘akhand bharat’ has been a long-running wet dream for fantasists in Hindustan:
Indian Politics 101 for non Indians
http://www.yespakistan.com/security/indian_pol_101.asp
“BJP preaches the 1947 division of India must be reversed. The nation must be reunited into ‘Bahrat’ (greater) India by ‘crushing’ and reabsorbing of Pakistan, then Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. BJP irredentism could easily spark a war between India and Pakistan, both of whom have nuclear weapons.”
Let me explain this to you very carefully; my country could be condemned across the WHOLE WORLD, and be left to descend into chaos…but even in that darkness, my family will NEVER have to worry about armed Hindus breaking into their homes and violating them. EVER. Do you understand that? Save your gang-rapes, electrocutions, torture and arson for your own minorities, because you have LOST Pakistan FOREVER. Don’t come to me with your two-faced innocence, asking why you would want reunification; it’s part of your dysfunctional national fabric. Get this into your thick skull from here on in, because whatever fantasies you or your BJP have, they will never be realised. Of course, you’re more than welcome to come to the border and begin the campaign for ‘akhand bharat’…but I can give you my personal guarantee that you will be chased back to Amritsar so quickly, 1965 will seem like a picnic, lol.
Your comments on Bangladesh are senseless, but to be honest, by now I expect nothing else from you. Aside from the deliberate provocation by Hindustanis, the successive political blunders by West Pakistanis, and the moth-eaten scenario that your beloved Mountbatten had engineered in the first place, even now one of the main parties in the country advocates strong ties with Pakistan. Even this is largely irrelevant, because the cornerstone of the two-nation theory is the belief that Hindus and Muslims cannot govern together – and that was proven comprehensively in 1947, which is too bad for you. Even if Bangladesh broke into a further two pieces tomorrow, the theory would still stand justified. But since you seem to know nothing about the two-nation theory, this point is probably wasted on you.
Back to the Iran-Pakistan pipeline…looks like this has really upset you, hasn’t it? You have the nerve to talk about ‘big daddy’ powers, when the main reason for you pulling out of the deal was because Uncle Sam put you over his knee.
‘India succumbs to US pressure, misses meet on Iran pipeline’
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-succumbs-to-US-pressure-misses-meet-on-Iran-pipeline/Article1-250512.aspx
Funnily enough, Islamabad seems ready to go ahead with the deal regardless of US concerns.
Pakistan, Iran sign deal on natural gas pipeline
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62G12C20100317
Now, if your call-centre english is up to the task, kindly tell me where in the article it states that Pakistan is waiting for a third party. No luck…?
Next time you make childish claims about countries needing ‘big daddy’ support, take a closer look at your own back yard, my child.
LOL – it’s almost upsetting for me to watch you trying desperately to cash in on China’s clout in Copenhagen. China is, of course, given far more respect, maybe because the country’s human rights record isn’t as shambolic as yours.
Low targets, goals dropped: Copenhagen ends in failure
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/18/copenhagen-deal
“After eight draft texts and all-day talks between 115 world leaders, it was left to Barack Obama and Wen Jiabao, the Chinese premier, to broker a political agreement.”
Wait a minute, where was PM Singh? Was he serving the tea? Maybe he was playing a sitar in the background!
Haha, poor ‘Steve’ doesn’t seem to understand the link between OIC and the HDI…we both know that you do undertsnad, but you’re just trying to play stupid. Not a very difficult act for you.
Your argument was that all the nations in the OIC which condemned Hindustan’s atrocities were hypocrites, because their human rights records were even worse. I pointed you in the direction of the Human Development Index, showing you how most of the members were in fact far ahead of your ’superpower’ nation on that front. In other words….yes, you guessed it. The hypocrite here is YOU.
LOL, and here you are trying somehow to squeeze Islam into the equation again! And the US and Israel…even China! LOL, seriously, are you smoking pot while coming up with these replies? How can an answer as clear as mine be so hard to deal with? ‘I thought the common factor was Islam…’ what the hell are you talking about?!? What a fool!
I was hoping you were going to dedicate more of your reply to your Shia argument, because really I could spend all day taking you down. You have produced ZERO facts, ZERO credible evidence, ZERO reasoning, and quite frankly shown ZERO knowledge on this subject matter.
Yes, Shias have been targeted in bombings in Pakistan – nice work, genius. So have Sunnis – in fact most of the attacks in the north-west are in Sunni-majority areas. Honestly, I feel like I’m having a conversation about quantum physics with a six-year-old; you’re just typing words without any idea where your information is coming from. Does that not embarrass you at all?
Again, tell me when I claimed there were no troubles in Pakistan – that’s right, try being an adult and show me when I made this claim. I haven’t checked through my posts yet, but I am reasonably sure this statement is yet another of your legendary faked encounters. Keep this up and you’ll be awarded a medal!
Operation Searchlight….again, only a professional idiot would jump from Gilgit to Operation Searchlight – but this is the only field in which you seem to have some specialist knowledge, so no wonder you keep trying to worm your way back to it!
I’ve noticed also that your only source of information is Defence Journal. LOL…us Pakistanis always joke about Hindustanis like you, who trawl the internet looking for one site that shares their views, and then cling onto it for dear life. It’s actually quite cute.
Here’s the link you posted, when you were trying to prove a point:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_10-6-2005_pg3_2
Here’s what the link states:
“When the Pakistani and Azad Kashmiri guerillas, many of them serving army officers, surfaced on the Indian side and began carrying out acts of sabotage, the Kashmiris were no less surprised than the Indians. They could have been Indian agents provocateurs, as far as the Kashmiris were concerned. Still, many of them offered the infiltrators food and shelter and assistance, actions that were punished by the Indians after the 17-day war ended.”
Now I’ve had to go to the effort of spelling it out to you (again), I wonder what stunt you’ll try to come up with to reply to this. Something involving Marvi Memon?!
I’m not a Sunni-Shia expert, but compared to you, I might as well be a professor in the field. I read your Wikipedia link on Rukhsana Kausar. The funny thing is, not even on your link is there any mention of Sunni or Shia! When I see your obsession with trying to stoke up communal division, I realise that Hindustan is doomed; if this is your national psyche, no wonder your ‘country’ is too crippled by religious strife to even provide adequate sanitation to your people. I hardly ever meet people who elaorate so much on subjects about which they’re so ignorant.
If you think your approach to Kashmiris is different to the Israeli approach to Palestinians, you really are deluded. J&K is considered part of India and its citizens are ours, therein lies the difference of approach.
Boy, 11, shot dead by police in Kashmir rioting
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/30/boy-shot-dead-kashmir-riots
Palestinian Youth Shot Dead in West Bank
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/15/world/middleeast/15westbank.html
The method of murder is virtually identical. And there I was thinking the Hindustanis didn’t need any lessons in human rights violations. Spare me your factually inaccurate rubbish about artillery and small arms fire; when Pakistani state forces start picking off children from oppressed minorities, then maybe we can compare notes on the brutality of occupation.
For somebody who brags about the ability to ’subdue’, you have shockingly poor knowledge of the state of affairs in Kashmir. Your first mistake is assuming that everything was sunshine and smiles before the 90s, even though I have quoted you exerpts from your own links proving this to be rubbish. Secondly, you make the ignorant mistake of reducing the Intifada to a handful of angry teenagers.
Female protesters pile on pressure in Indian-administered Kashmir
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/35-female-protesters-pile-on-pressure-in-indian-administered-kashmir-ak-03
“SRINAGAR: “We are out on the streets with a message — kill us before you kill our young boys and girls,” says Rehana Ashraf, a female teacher in Indian Kashmir.”
Yup, I guess that’s another of your legendary Kashmiri patriots, right?
You must be completely thinck if it’s taking you this long to work out how deep the troubles run in the occupied province. I have already posted links about violence flaring up in Jammu, and we already know how the valley is disgusted at your very presence…are you talking about a couple of towns out in the south-east? LOL…talk about having your head firmly shoved in the sand…
What’s with the sudden Bollywood speech on Kashmir? I always find it funny when you have these little moments – especially when you come up with lines like ‘Pakistan really has it bad on Kashmir’! Are you not aware that Zardari’s effigy has been burned in the streets of Srinagar after he dismissed them all as terrorists? No wonder he’s your favourite character, but the bad news for you is that the movement in Kashmir is completely indigenous – as was proven by YOUR OWN link regarding 1964…speaking of which, you still have NO SUBSTANCE to explain how Nehru’s advisor was referring specifically to the Valley! LOL this must be the sixth time of asking now. Do you have any idea idea how much patience this takes?
I suggest you read above for comments regarding Pakistani reunification with Hindustan…most of your kind hate and fear Jinnah for what he did, but at least you have the sense to praise him – as I mentioned earlier, even eleven more months of flooding would be preferable to having the ‘police’ set my house on fire while trapping my family inside it…yet another chilling aspect of life for Hindustani Muslims. Likewise, when we look at our poor, we can at least sleep in the knowledge that they aren’t as dirt poor as they are in Hindustan. When we look at the abuse of women, we can at least sleep knowing that the earth isn’t filled with the corpses of female babies. Seems like we have more to be grateful for than you, my friend.
Why should I stop referring to your space debacle? I find the whole thing kinda funny, don’t you? Especially when you’re trying to lump Hindustan in the same bracket as proper countries. Are you completely stupid, or do you need a crash-course in satellite technology? Actually you don’t need a ‘crash’ course – crashing is one thing that your satellites do very well. We’re talking about the first indigenous usage of a cryogenic engine. That’s Hindustan’s first attempt to build the engine itself, which was a spectacular failure. Unfortunately no matter how often I remind you of this, all you can do in reply in send me a few Wikipedia links on Pakistan. But what you don’t understand is that this all began when you started bragging about ’superpower’ Hindustan’s space achievements. Big mistake, my friend.
You attempted to justify the Dhruv by doing a two-minute google search and posting up a few examples of helicopters malfunctioning. Pathetic. NONE of these ‘copters have suffered the same consistent systemic failures as the legendary Dhruv…lol, there seems to be a pattern emerging that every time you guys try letting go of Mother Russia’s hand, you end up falling on your malnourished backside! How do you explain the regular failures of the Mig-21s? Most of the parts for these flying coffins are actually made in Hindustan, so you can’t even blame the Russians – it’s either manufacturing incompetence or pilot incompetence. I’ll leave you to do the fun analysis into that.
Thank you for the link on PAF, I genuinely enjoyed it.
“In the brief seventeen day war if 1965 M. M. Alam became the fastest ace of jet-age in the world when he destroyed 5 Indian Air Force Hunters in under a minute.”
Yet another killer argument from ‘Steve’!
And then you add insult to your own injury by talking about geographical areas….lol, then why hasn’t giant China suffered the same high levels of attrition? Hmm, tough question eh?
I’m sorry, I’m a little confused about your reference to the treatment of your ’soldiers’ from Kargil…do we need a little re-education here?
CBI files chargesheet in Kargil coffin scam
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/CBI-files-chargesheet-in-Kargil-coffin-scam/articleshow/4923207.cms
Here you are trying to throw in some comments about Hindu and Muslim ’soldiers’, but it seems that when it comes to picking up a few rupees off rotting corpses, your leaders have a much more ‘equal opportunities’ approach! And you try to compare this to Pakistani soldiers being buried overseas, like soldiers have been for thousands of years?! Is that the kind of crap that your media tells you to soothe the humiliation of packing your dead ’soldiers’ into tin cans?
You can use whatever phrases you want to use regarding Azad Kashmir/Northern Areas, the harsh fact is that you’ll never be seeing them again. Why should I feel any qualm about Pakistan giving part of Kashmir to China? Haven’t heard of any major communal rioting coming from that part of the province; once again, that’s the sole speciality of ’shining’ Hindustan. I think it’s hilarious how hysterical the poor Hindustanis are getting at the sight of a couple of Chinese engineers in Gilgit; but if your ’soldiers’ can’t deal with women throwing stones, what chance would they have against men wielding spanners and screwdrivers, eh?
Your reply to Pakistan’s performance in Afghanistan was ‘frankly I do not know’ – and I think you should leave it at that, because frankly you do not. As I said before, a country that has a proud history of repeated conquests and subjugation isn’t really one that would understand Pakistani successes against the Soviet threat.
LOL…it’s so funny how all your arguments eventually end up at 1965, even when you have made such little progress here. Still refusing to accept your role as aggressor? Still refusing to see how easy Akhnoor was from the point of view of Hindustani resistence just melting away? Still wondering what was so illegal about breaching an international border? Well then what can I do other than recommend a psychiatrist to you? Although I wouldn’t trust a Hindustani one – he would probably leave you convinced that you were the nxext great superpower!
A ‘non-existant air force’…again, I have to ask – are you high on something? Have you handed the keyboard over to one of your four-year-old friends? Hindustan’s air force was FIVE TIMES THE SIZE of the PAF, you moron! LOL…here, maybe this will refresh your memory:
Need for revival of spirit of 1965
http://www.dailymailnews.com/0910/06/Editorial_Column/DMEditorial.php
Take careful note of the reference to the people (ie unarmed civilians) helping to rid the land of Hindustanis. And you think you have a functioning army?!?
See, what you fail to realise is that when you highlight the leadership mistakes amongst the Pakistani Army, you only serve to reinforce the shame of your own ‘forces’ – how could an army, having launched an aggressive attack across the international border, despite encountering such little resistance, still be chased back to the sewers of its own land? Doesn’t that embarrass you? Again, for the thousandth time, if the legendary Hindustani ‘Army’ (LOL!) was so successful, why did little Shastri jump at the chance of a ceasefire?!
Again, I will leave you to your personal fantasies about Bangladesh – for an armed forces with such little else to show for it other than coffin purchases and the occasional bout of religious extremism, that’s probably your finest hour. Meanwhile, we have to live with the fact that the economic burden of Bangasdesh is no longer a problem for us. Okay…we’ll try to get on with our lives…lol…
Tell me this, what damage has Hindustan caused to Pakistan? All I know of is a long history of impotent politicians and ‘generals’ occasionally trying to scare the smaller western neighbour in order to find some common enemy in a country otherwise hopelessly divided by ethnic, religious and economic strife. A classic example is 2001-2002, in which the new ‘rising’ Hindustan made a fool of itself by trying to emulate the US/War on Terror stance:
Captain among 12 Indian soldiers killed in Pak shelling at Machhil
http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/archives/archives2002/kashmir20020802b.html
Yup, really did some devastating damage there, boy…damn, that hurt.
Of course Hindustan was reluctant to give food aid to Pakistan. Most Pakistanis I spoke to during that time voiced genuine fears that the Hindustani ‘army’ would make the most of the tragedy and launch some sort of attack, forget giving aid. It seems, according to you, that New Delhi only changed its approach when it saw the opportunity to gain some crumbs of popularity from the international community; it must have been an additional insult that the regional ’superpower’ had to wait a few days for the aid to be accepted! Again, you can thank your beloved Zardari/Qureshi team for the acceptance – the best friends in Islamabad your kind will ever have.
So you seem pretty indifferent to the number of dead among the CPRF…well, that’s your problem. Are you going to tell me how many of them were Muslim and how many were Hindu now? Perhaps as the bodies keep piling up eventually one of your ministers will realise that it’s actually quite a serious threat. Once again (*yawn*), I would suggest that you read up on links before sending them out. This one again proves my point over yours:
A killing that has the Maoists rattled
http://sify.com/news/a-killing-that-has-the-maoists-rattled-news-columns-kjgoj9fieeb.html
“During this period, he had built extensive links with forces inimical to India, namely the LTTE, the New Peoples Army of Philippines, the Maoists in Nepal, elements in China, the ISI of Pakistan, insurgent groups in the northeast, and Islamic terrorists in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.”
This is in reference to the death of the freedom fighter Azad. Now according to you, the Hindustani government would roar in anger and show Pakistan all its full fury if it ever found out that the ISI were helping the Maoists – but here it seems it’s been going on for a while. Hmm…better get the plastic coffins ready, eh?! Is that a Mig-21 I hear crashing just over the border?! Furthermore, according to you, this link would totally undermine the movement and in fact kill it off – funny, though, because 2010 has been the most productive year for them to date.
India Maoist rebels kill many in bus attack
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8687317.stm
Why the hell would you lecture me about constitutions? Typical Hindustani mentality, trying to paper over his country’s plethora of failures by rabbiting on about the constitution. Your constitution has banned caste discrimination, and yet your future census is going to list caste demographics. Where is the respect for your constitution there? Where was the protection of the constitution during the hundreds of communal riots that have polluted your ‘country’s’ murky history? What has that piece of paper done for the Maoists even? LOL…what a nation of imbeciles, watching a few US legal dramas and feigning the same reverence for their constitution…that’s just embarrassing.
You end your rantings with a fitting tribute to your own ignorant hypocrisy – a quote from a Talibaan ambassador, representing an organisation that you have cursed with such righteous verbiage.
If we’re bringing out insignificant figures and quoting them, let me return the favour:
Only Cow’s Urine & Dung are Pure in India!!
http://www.wonder-cures.com/cow’surine.htm
Posted by one of your own pharmacists. May I suggest you read the first two lines carefully, and recite them before you go to bed every night.
“Who can really feel proud of India? Let us look at the sheer hypocrisy, deceit, poison, disease and death that we get from our leaders.”
What a relief that not all Hindustanis are steeped in self-delusional stupidity then…
A
@Architect,
You really have a special liking for anything having a scatological connotation!!Defeacation, urine,cow dung!!!
Whats up man,you got a fetish for scat!
Post sent twice! As usual reading is a challenge for you! Have I not mentioned already in a post that my original post had ‘disappeared’ for time hence the double post.
IPI pipeline:
You are a wonder! I give you link after link on the present mode of transport of Gas to India by LNG carriers. I even tell you that India is building several more LNG terminals to get more Gas by LNG ships. An alternative sea based pipeline is being planned.
And yet you continue to rave on that India, by not being dependent on a presently non-existent pipe line supposed to come up at some future date, through an area susceptible to constant trouble and controlled by an enemy country is putting India’s future energy security at risk!!
Here’s another link for you.
‘Iran’s state television reported in early June that Tehran had finalised a $7.6 billion deal to export gas to Pakistan by 2015. Dubbed the “peace pipeline,” the project has been planned since the 1990s and originally would have extended from Pakistan to its old rival, India. But New Delhi has been reluctant to join the project because of its long-running distrust of Pakistan, with whom it has fought three wars since independence in 1947.Even the Iran to Pakistan leg of the link is in doubt after U.S. Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke warned Islamabad on Sunday against over-committing to the project because of the expected effects of the sanctions.Whether Pakistan — which is facing a growing energy supply crisis — will abide by U.S. sanctions that could affect the project remains unclear.’
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-49609520100624
A pipeline is fixed and you are stuck with it. What alternative does India have on any disruption to the pipeline? LNG ships/terminals are flexible. Anything happens on the Iran front, we can always move to others suppliers like Qatar.
The best security to India is provided by, ‘anything that bypasses Pakistan’.
Social Indicators:
Man we are going around in circles on several issues!!!
Your reply itself indicates that nothing left to add on this issue
Growth of gap between Rich and Poor:
As predicted!
There is no alternative to rapid economic growth.
India had a restricted and socialist economy right till the early 90s. While India was bogged down by its soviet inspired socialist ideals that neither allowed the economy to grow nor reduced poverty, while others raced ahead. India in fact lost decades of growth.
The main priority now is to grow, industrialize and develop. Unless we have alternatives to agriculture by way of jobs in the industry and service sector, there is no way to pull out the masses from poverty.
It is a growing economy that will generate resources. The Indian Central annual budget for the year 2010 has allocated Rs 1,37,674 crore (about 30 Billion $) for social sector spending. Such large allocations are now coming in only after revenue/tax receipts have jumped due to the growing economy.
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/02/26/pranabearmarks-rs137674-crore-for-socialsector.html
NREGA :Rural Employment guarantee programme:
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/02/26/highlightsof-union-budget-2010-11-partiii.html
Allocation of Rs 40,100 crore( about 8.5 Billion $)
Developed economies have taken generations to develop their economy .We are still in the process of first taking care of our growth process and our first priority is to grow. As we generate more resources, it will help us increase our social spending even more.
Commonwealth Games: They have not even taken place as yet and you are wringing your hands on the humiliations heaped!!!
Don’t worry about how we tackle or problems! Off course, we do not have the ruthless efficiency of a communist China where citizens cannot even migrate to another city in China without permission! One of the pitfalls of a democracy!
But we move ahead, much to the angst of our ‘friendly neighbors’.
You draw whatever vicarious pleasures you like from the so-called ‘humiliations’!!!
I am no defender of corruption, but you as usual are unaware of what’s going on in the world. Such large events, unfortunately, have often raised allegations of corruption.
Shadow of corruption hangs over Olympics
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Shadow-of-corruption-hangs-over-Olympics-6422.html
http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/10/former-beijing-vice-mayor-goes-on-trial/
‘China’s auditor general has found that money for Olympic projects has been siphoned off from China’s 2003 budget, the state-run media reported.’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3835019.stm
Olympics corruption scandal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/297030.stm
Energy Crisis:
Your understanding of an energy crisis is well explained by the presence of a Railway Factory in Pakistan that produces 23 engines in 17 years .No wonder you have no idea what I am stating on energy infrastructure and requirements.
Economy of Pakistan:
The little I know about the Pak economy is precisely what others also know!LITTLE!
‘Fudged numbers confuse Pakistan’s picture of growth’
http://www.maverickpakistanis.com/?p=3113
‘The committee set up to evaluate national accounts and economic growth data has decided to stop investigating allegations of fudged growth estimates, terming it a “futile exercise and wastage of money.”
http://tribune.com.pk/story/15938/panel-stops-evaluating-%E2%80%98fudged%E2%80%99-gdp-growth-data/
‘Fudged GDP growth numbers’
‘A former chief economist of the federal government talked of his “struggle” from 2002 to 2006, in an op-ed piece last week in this newspaper, to convince the authorities against manipulating data and how he could not succeed. As a result, final figures on poverty, GDP, unemployment, prices, etc., were “improved upon” although few believed in the achievements that were claimed.
Last month, one saw serious allegations of fudging of GDP growth and poverty figures. The ministry of finance was accused of having fabricated the figure of 2.37 per cent in an attempt to impress the IMF that this year’s GDP growth was almost close to what it had asked for –– the target of 2.5 per cent. Provisional GDP estimates for 2008-09 were worked out at Rs5,532.4 billion compared to the previous fiscal year’s Rs5,404.5 billion, resulting in an increase of 2.37 per cent.’
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/in-paper-magazine/economic-and-business/fudging-income-and-poverty-numbers-869
Wow! BUT absolutely expected from Pakistan.
You guys make up your own history; imagine victorious wars, indulge in two-faced foreign relations, lie to everyone! Just to name a few perfidies.
So what’s the big deal for you in ‘window –dressing’ the Pakistan economy’?
Considering the above, your link on the Pak economy is worthless!
It seems that only God (perhaps) and the Generals really know what exactly is going on in Pakistan!
Listen kiddo, forget the Indian economy, and try to make sense of your own country first!
I wonder if you guys have even lied on the population figures!!!
Fake encounters:
Truth is an alien concept in Pakistan that is well settled.
I have stated the factors behind some incidents of fake ‘encounters’ in the Indian forces. They are there and one cannot hide them. Aberrations do occur from time to time.As for the rest of our Army, our soldiers need no certification from your types certainly.
But your claim that such is unheard of in Pakistan is weird:
Is your delusional stupor so overwhelming!!!!!
PAKISTAN: Young women held in military torture cells and forced into sexual slavery
http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mainfile.php/2008statements/1843/
‘In the Pakistani military’s traditional stronghold of Punjab, paramilitary forces working with the army are killing and torturing farmers who refuse to sign contracts that would cede their land rights to the army’
From years back!
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2004/07/20/pakistan-military-torturing-farmers-punjab
Ah ! the delicacy and gentleness of the Pakistan army while conducting CI ops.
http://baluchsarmachar.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/pakistani-army-is-committing-gross-human-rights-violations-in-makaran/
The all Merciful pak army interviewing a suspect:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8285564.stm
Ever heard of Dr .Shazia Khalid?
http://antisystemic.org/satribune/www.satribune.com/archives/200502/P1_dna.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shazia_Khalid
Democracy:
Gujarat! Sorry, I should have remembered that you do suffer from a memory disability. Here let me post the links again:
‘Gujarat minister arrested over religious riots case’
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-38746520090327
‘Gujarat riots case: 12 sentenced to life imprisonment’http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/nov/25godhra.htm
Life sentences in India riot case
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4745926.stm
Bilkis Bano rape: eleven get life(including a police man)
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Bilkis-Bano-rape-eleven-get-life/Article1-270767.aspx
There is absolutely nothing to defend on the Gujarat riots, which followed the burning of the train bogie at Gujarat.
But the point being made is that the same democracy, which elects certain kind of leaders, has the safeguards to bringing the perpetrators to book and punish them.
You can keep on parroting the military and lazy line on the futility of democracies.
Nuclear Dependence
The Pak law of Reciprocity!!!!
Pak wants a nuke deal on the line of the US deal also. BUT in case of Pak that will be beneficial, In the case of India, the same type of deal will increase dependence!
It’s too much to expect from you, but I hope you are aware that this is a CIVIL NUKE deal. That is all MILITARY NUKE FACILITIES are not covered under the deal.
At least post a link which does not include the communists of India!!!! The commis have a fantastic world view of their own. Remaining in the time warp of the good old days of the Soviet Union and anti-imperialism.
Regarding your proclivity at ‘denials’ and dependence of India, read this:
‘India’s parliament last week gave the U.S. nuclear industry the legal equivalent of a Bronx cheer:( http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bronx+cheer ) It passed a law that denied American firms legal immunity from being sued in the event of a nuclear accident.’
‘Then there’s the ugly truth that India has little or no need to buy American. Russia, France, Japan and even China have competitive nuclear companies. India also can build its own fast and heavy-water nuclear reactors.’
As I said, be aware of what is actually happening in the world.
‘U.S. nuclear firms have been trying for years to get the international community to grant all nuclear vendors accident liability immunity by promoting the Convention on Supplementary Compensation for Nuclear Damage, an International Atomic Energy Agency initiative.’
India actually got its way against the US Supplier Group rather than giving any concessions.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703897204575488620396728104.html
Nuke Safety:
Clutching at straws will never cease! Habitual liars and fudgers have little options! What do you cite, incidents of high radiation!!!Boss even in an X-Ray clinic you may be exposed to high levels of radiation.
I have illustrated the incidents related to Nuke safety. India DOES not figure there.
Again, Nuke Power by its very nature has certain hazards and some incidents are inevitable.
BUT at NO time India has suffered any major nuclear incident.
Kuwaiti MPs:
Using the word Kuwait in your post meant nothing else but to imply Kuwait as a country. Why else would you use the words ‘even tiny Kuwait’? I am pretty sure you were not referring to the height of the MPs!!!!!
Kashmiri’s:
What we know is that Pakistan claims India invaded Kashmir, we claim that Indian troops landed at the call of Raja Hari Singh AFTER the signing of the instrument of accession and to repulse the invasion of Kashmir from Pakistan’s side.
Actually Pakistan is fully to blame for non-holding of the plebiscite in Kashmir .As usual Pakistan tried to, ‘have one’s cake and eat it too’.
Pakistan could not take the risk of giving up POK to the UN.WHAT if it lost that land too, the Pakistanis would never have forgiven the rulers then. Pakistan could have easily handed over Kashmiri areas captured by it to the UN and withdraw their forces in terms of the UN resolution and conditions of plebiscite. India then would have had NO option but to get a plebiscite conducted.
Pakistan chose not to and it will have to live by the consequence of its actions then. You cannot expect compliance from others when you yourself are not ready to comply.
Its the same international border war logic of yours you keep on touting in reference to the 1965 war, If pak sneaks into a war, India should not retaliate across its borders BUT also use the sneaky route!!!!
Read, it cannot get simpler than this:
‘As a prerequisite they required Pakistani nationals and tribesmen, who had come to fight in Kashmir, be withdrawn. Plebiscite abandoned
But in the 1950s, the Indian Government distanced itself from its commitment to hold a plebiscite. This was firstly because Pakistani forces had not been withdrawn and secondly because elections affirming the state’s status as part of India had been held. ’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1766582.stm
As I repeat often, Kashmir is not a simple black and white issue, NOR are sentiments the same across entire J&K.
China and Japan dwarf India:
Still trying to work out your complexes by spurious comparisons!!! As I have said earlier, one does not grow by seeing how far or behind the other is. Yes, one can be motivated by the performance of others but it depresses only ‘defeatists’.
Dwarf of No dwarf India still is, for example:
The 5th largest producer of steel in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_steel_production
The 7th largest producer of Cars and commercial vehicles:
http://oica.net/category/production-statistics/
4th largest exporter of cars in Asia AHEAD of CHINA BTW:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_industry_in_India
And we are only growing. As the Indian economy grows further at a faster rate, demand and production will only grow .
You can still crib how the above is no big deal or how every home in Pakistan produces cars or how simple it is to produce steel etc!
Bhopal Gas disaster:
Me being communal! You are the one spouting Ramadan Ramadan and pretending to drip piety! What a laugh! You go on! This is one point where you have an advantage!
I cannot hurl slurs against Islam on you, since that would be cursing millions of my own countrymen. You have no qualms on hurling communal slurs, despite the fact that there are minorities of Non-Muslim faiths in Pakistan!
The Bhopal Gas disaster took place in a very different India, in the 1980s; India was planning to liberalize and open her economy. It was the feeling than that stringent action against a US company may deter investments and the Indian economy was not what it is today. The initial cases booked against the company were weak.
Also the Media in the 80s was not as powerful and dynamic as it is todayBut as I say, we acknowledge our mistakes .The supreme court of India has REOPENED the criminal case.‘Supreme Court reopens Bhopal gas tragedy case’http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/supreme-court-reopens-bhopal-gas-tragedy-case-48514
BJP preaching!
They are no longer in power and when they were, none ever talked about reversal of Partition. The BJP ruled under the Indian constitution and quietly and peacefully exited from the scene when they lost the elections.
The Akhand Bharat types are in the same league as the cranks of the Ghazawa-I –Hind brigade seen on this site itself!
http://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/ghazwa-e-hind-the-final-showdown/
But at least the Akhand bharatis look back at an ancient India. The Ghazawa types are hyper cranks since they believe its part of the hadees that an Islamic caliphate is to be established over ‘Hindustan’!!! WOW
And yes, you don’t have to worry about Hindus or others! During Partition you ensured that almost all non-Muslims were either killed or forced to Migrate from west Pakistan. What remains in the tiniest minority, at the absolute mercy of the majority. AND YET at the risk of being framed for blasphemy, labeled second-class citizens, who cannot qualify to the highest posts of the land or can be declared as apostates by the Islamic courts or under an ordinance.
150 Million Muslims choose to stay on in India and almost 20% of India is Non-Hindu.97% of Pakistanis are Muslims and yet the tiny 3% minority cannot as equal citizens. What is left is a scattered tiny minority.
By the way I never really got a proper response as to why there was discrimination in giving flood aid to non-Muslims?
And how do you brush off Bangladesh?
How much did the Bengalis provoke you that you had to kill Millions of them. Even the lowest Pakistani(obviously biased)official figures puts it at 26,000!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atrocities
After partition, NOTHING, NOTHING has ever come close to the genocide and atrocities committed by Pakistan in Bangladesh.And that too on fellow (supposed country men and Muslims).If so called Indian atrocities in Kashmir were even 1/100 of what Pak did in Bangladesh, Kashmir would have gone from our hands long, long time back.
Hindus and Muslims cannot govern together!!!! Keep your illusions and lies to yourselves. There is a very big world out there apart from Pakistan!
IPI pipeline!
Aah the pinnacle of Pakistan’s independent foreign policy!!!(wink wink from uncle sam notwithstanding)I wish you would read the links I post. China has expressed interest in the pipeline in 2008 itself .One thing I must compliment the Chinese they move silent, swift and have a stranglehold on Pak. Remember how working in secrecy and in the background a part of Kashmir was ceded to the Chinese. Just wait for the Chinese to react and emerge in their own sweet time.
And your Hindustan times link, who do you quote, the same Communist Party of India(MARXIST) chap, the guys who live in the good old USSR days of anti-imperialism !!! SR Yechury believes that even having trade and relations with USA is supporting the imperialist cause and succumbing to US pressure.
Talk about clutching at straws. Why repeat quotes from the votaries of an extinct ideology.Whilst conveniently forgetting that India has invested many times over in Iran.
And here is US pressure!!
India and China both have denounced the United States and other European countries for imposing unilateral sanctions on Iran.
http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=222677
Indo-Iran trade:”We have a very cordial and friendly relations with India,” he said pointing to the USD 14 billion bilateral trade which Tehran wants to increase further.
14 Billion Dollars Trade! Not a result of any US pressure I am certain! Much more than the investments on your pipeline!
http://sify.com/news/india-iran-keen-to-enhance-trade-relations-news-international-kfrhQIcdgaa.html
Find some better excuses why India should pay for costly gas from a pipeline running through an enemy state?
Climate Talks:
China is the eternal, ‘higher than the highest mountains, deeper than the deepest ocean’ friend of Pakistan. But sorry we do not see them with the rosy tinted and with the starry eyed wonder that you do! Only the most deluded and ignorant will draw the inference that you do from the links I provided!!
Chinese getting more respect on human rights !!!!A country that chooses to roll over Tanks and APCS over college students in Tiananmen Square in full view of world cameras maybe your idea of human rights. Pakistan as a military dominated society having the same authoritarian streak as a communist state. The rest of the world is not so starry eyed. Most appreciate the tremendous economic progress of China but few, if any, commend its human’s rights record. Censorship, restriction on the media, summary trial, detentions and executions are routine in China.
Copenhagen Talks: China and India stand to be most affected by any climate change treaty. Both are industrializing heavily and any restrictions on emissions will have huge impact on the energy economics of the two. The two only way to fight the developed western world US and Europe is for the two to combine forces.
Stay in your little league and allow the big boys to play:‘India and China are the core of the Basic group, which has begun holding quarterly meetings to coordinate its response to future climate negotiations. Its next gathering will be in Cape Town on 25 April, ahead of a ministerial meeting called by Merkel on 2 May to lay the political groundwork for talks later this year in Berlin and Cancun’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/apr/12/copenhagen-destroyed-danish-draft-leak
As in your IPI pipeline it is national self-interest that will remain supreme and India will fight and protect her interests.
You can continue to dream in your wonderland on who serves tea where!!!!
I think you should worry more about your leaders selling off Pakistan!!!If Zardari were made to serve tea, I am sure he would pocket the tea bags, drink up the milk, lick of the sugar and try to pass of piss as tea!!!
HDI and OIC: How you link up HDI and human rights is beyond me!!!
Human development index is not an Index on Human Rights!! From what orifices do you pull out your conclusions!!
The parameters of HDI are below:
The HDI combines three dimensions:
· Life expectancy at birth, as an index of population health and longevity
· Knowledge and education, as measured by the adult literacy rate (with two-thirds weighting) and the combined primary, secondary, and tertiary gross enrollment ratio (with one-third weighting).
· Standard of living, as indicated by the natural logarithm of gross domestic product per capita at purchasing power parity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#Three_dimensions_in_the_HDI
Now, where is the measure of Human Rights there?
You just ramble on as you please.
The hypocrisy I pointed out is off course the Human Rights of some of OIC members themselves and second that despite claiming to stand for the rights of Islamic causes, most of the OIC are the biggest supporters of he west, Israel and the USA. Many OIC member have US bases which are used to attack fellow OIC members countries!!!
Hypocrisy at its highest. You criticize Israel and yet are the biggest recipients of US aid!
Shia –Sunni conflict:
Confused aren’t you! All the links I have posted are specific targeted attacks on the shia community in Pakistan.
Is placing a bomb in an Imambargah a random act!
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/26-killed-in-Pakistan-blasts-NWFP-tense/394762/
‘Unknown gunmen fired at the school van carrying Shia students.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/nwfp/gunmen-ambush-school-bus-hangu–qs
What’s the above got to do with Sunni majority or minority areas. So as before, what are these incidents, figments of imagination?
It’s useless to pretend that a shia-sunni divide does not exist in Pakistan. And its more foolish to expect that this divide will not have an effect on Shias in Kashmir.
Defence Journal is a specialist and professional magazine on defense affairs published in Pakistan.
http://www.defencejournal.com/2010-5/index.asp
India –Israel situation:
I have clearly stated the differences in the Israeli and Indian situation. Interesting, at one time you vehemently proclaim how Israelis are so different and now you draw parity.
Kashmir valley has seen a movement since 1989.But why this stone throwing now? The Palestinian intifada also has ben on for years! So what is going on now now?
It is a deliberate tactic adopted by the separatists. Sounds callous and ruthless, but the path that the types of Geelani have chosen, keeping children at the forefront can only lead to this. Are the security forces forcing these guys to throw stones?
If they feel that Kashmiri children/youth have to be brought into harms way, they have their blood on their hands as much as the bullet that killed them.
Female protesters, too are there occasionally, but overwhelmingly it is the male youngsters who are at the front.
And this has nothing really to do with minority-majority! Ever heard of any large demonstration or protest by any Indian Muslim group OUTSIDE the valley. They also know the cynical political games being played and the tactics of Kashmir separatist are well known.
Regards, Pakistani army Not targeting innocents, I have already given enough links.
BTW small arms fire kills one! An artillery shell explodes kms away and kills dozens, the targets and innocents alike. That is the level of care Pakistan army has for its citizens.
I have always stated that there remains a core anti-India constituency in the valley. Let them speak for themselves, but they do not represent Indian J&K as a whole.
But hey why are you taking away the credit from the jihadi guys from all over who come to attain ‘shahadat’ in Kashmir!
On Pakistani reunification:
As I have always said, Pakistan is not the representative of Islam and nor is it some leader of the Muslim world. It’s just a neighboring country where Muslims also happen to reside. The religion followed in Pakistan is immaterial. Based on the current anti-India attitude Pakistan has towards India, we would hate Pakistan regardless of whatever religion was followed.
Space: Look, I know you guys cut and run at the first opportunity, without lying you would not even have a defense of Pakistan day. Without the crutch of China and USA you would find it difficult to walk. When everything is a hand out, its difficult to appreciate the difficulties behind a risky endeavor. By the magic of delusion and deceit, off course we would have a perfect launch. BUT in the real world of space faring nations and science it’s a rigorous process of experimentation, daring, learning and adventure.
As I have said you guys be where you are, crawling on the ground!
Hey,did you ask Turkey, fellow OIC member, why it chose India to launch its satellite and NOT brotherly, friendly Islamic Pakistan!
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=47552
And yeah, why did it BUY Dhruv from India!
Or another fellow OIC and Islamic country, Algeria:
http://events.eoportal.org/presentations/12736/14250.html
After all its no big deal, the Darra local rocket offers satellite launch services all the time!
Systemic Failures!!! You only proclaim yourself to be a bigger idiot!
Nations, which build, learn from failures. The AH -64 apache is one of the most feared attack helos in the world. Yet it had issues, faulty tail rotors, metal stress, rotor failire etc
‘The Army announced 5 November 1999 that all its 660 AH-64A and 83 AH-64D models must be inspected before their next flight. The hanger bearing assemblies fore and aft house the drive train, which passes turbine engine power to the tail rotor. A failure in the flange area will result in loss of tail rotor thrust and such a failure could be catastrophic. Army investigators had identified the bearing assembly problem while looking into a January 1999 accident at Fort Rucker, Alabama, that destroyed an Apache and injured the 2-man crew. Army officials said stress corrosion fractures resulting from a hardness heat-treat process used during manufacture may cause the bearing assemblies to fail. Hanger bearing assemblies produced after the Army changed the manufacturing process in 1993 do not have the potential for such fractures. Army officials determined that at least 400 of 743 AH-64 Apache attack helicopters needed the new parts.’
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/ah-64.htm
So problems are identified, resolved and the helo further evolves. Off course a guy like you would start weeping and wailing at the dreaded word ’failure’!
MIG-21s:A deeper reading will help. Instead of relying on ‘rupee’ news, analyze things a bit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_military_aircraft_%282000%E2%80%93present%29
Chinese attrition:
Getting info on that from china would be a miracle! Nobody truly knows what is up in China given the nature of control there .Do you have the figures?
My reference to geographical area was in context of Pakistan. It being the smaller ,will have a much lower level of flying hours per sortie, UNLESS the pilot like to roam around in circles. That is one of the points of inconsistency ablaut the PAF safety record in terms of hours flown and the accidents stats in the links I posted.
1965 war, M Alam :
Always out for the consolation prize are you not! What is war for you? A football game!!!
One of the classical instances of the Pakistani myth building on the 1965 war. Did it achieve anything? Did it help the Pakistan war effort in any way? Did it help in freeing Kashmir?
And about the famed MM Alam, are you aware how he was treated later!A little of this will also help!
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1965War/Chapter5.html
Chalo,Kashmir to nahi mila, kuch fudging hi kar lete hain apne kaum ke liye!!!!
The problem is you guys have built up such an inflated view of yourselves that failure and defeat is hard to accept.
Kargil and Coffin scam: Coffin scam had nothing to do with combat operations. Justifiably the officers making the irregular purchase were prosecuted.
Sophisticated coffin or no coffin., tin can or no can(BTW ever soldier was sent in a wooden coffin) every fallen Indian soldier, reached home with honor on the shoulders of his comrades where they are remembered and honored.
IN contrast the conduct of the Pak army was shameful. They abandoned the NLI. Remember all that was being parroted was that Kashmiri INDIGENOUS freedom fighters were fighting in Kargil. Initially they were even refusing to take back the bodies claiming they were kashmiri. What kind of people are you?
Nobody remembers the Pak soldiers who died abandoned, dumped, and left to starve and die on the heights of a foreign land. Simply waiting for their inevitable death. Were it not for the Indian army, the few of the bodies, Pak army accepted would not even have reached home. It has been often heard that Pakistan only took the bodies of the officers and not the NLI men.
Handing over parts Kashmir:
The reason you do not have qualms to hand over parts of Kashmir is that Kashmir is again a fraudulent issue to make a fool of the Pakistani people and the Islamic world. There is no emotional attachment to them they are simply pawns. Who cares for the historical right of the Kashmiri to his land
Secondly it comes natural to a Pakistani to be subservient to the interest of a China or a USA or outside forces. Either Pakistan is busy providing bases to the USA for its forces /wars or giving land to china for its projects. So its absolutely no big deal for Pakistani to hand over parts of territory it controls to foreigners.
Pride and ghairat in any case are concepts that Pakistan has little idea about!
1965!!!
Boy you must be brain dead!!!!!!Has nothing gone into head as yet!!! Your own PAF Marshal (and s many other pak officers/observers) have stated that Pakistan initiated hostilities in 1965 in its fantasy to free Kashmir.
What India did was TO DIVERT the PAKISTANI attack by OPENING ANOTHER front by launching a riposte into Pakistan. (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/riposte). THIS is standard military defensive tactics. Read what your Air Marshal says, further the Indian reaction caught the pak leadership off guard; they had not expected any retaliation from India.
What fools, attack a country thinking that its going to stay quiet! The riposte succeeded in diverting pak strength away from Jammu and saving Kashmir.
WE had no intention of starting any war, why would we just after 3 years of 1962 defeat at the hands of China. India had neither the intention nor preparation or capability to launch a war in 1965 since it had NOT PLANNED the hostilities. The fact that India thwarted Pakistan’s aims was more than enough for India in 1965.
It is Pakistan alcoholic generals which, to justify a foolish war on Kashmir, turned the Indian action as some massive invasion of Pakistan STARTED BY INDIA.
Try to read and understand what your Air Marshal has said. Few have stated the lies by Pakistan on the 1965 Indo-Pak war so explicitly and plainly as he has.
You guys are basically bullies!!! Your army is the lord and master of all Pakistan who has no choice but submit to the military. And like all bullies preying on the weak, they actually start believing g that they are strong and powerful. The moment they come up against someone who not only kicks back, but gives back two more for good measure, is the nature of the bully exposed .
Unlike your brainless, incompetent and in Ayub’s case drunk, generals, India does not to go to war on personal ego or without preparing for it. India PREPARED and Planned a war in 1971, and the result is well known to all.
Always remember, we only have to fight the Pakistani Army and other forces. Pakistan has to fight Indian forces AND the Indian NATION.
And your so called artillery strike in 2002:
Where do you live!!!! On Uranus or Venus !!!!Incidents of Artillery exchange and firing on the LOC are as complementary to each other as milk and tea!!!
Poor kid trying to scare us with stories of casualties! In any conflict casualties are to be expected. Though I do note that the link also states that the Indian Army defense PRO had no info on the casualties.
But every bullet or shell lobbed across is returned back with added compliments. And know this, there is no force field or magic in Pakistan that stops Indian fire across the LOC into Pakistan.
http://www.siamdailynews.com/2010/06/17/pakistani-soldier-killed-in-cross-firing-with-india-pakistan-army/
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020522/main1.htm
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=8629#compstory
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/03-one-pakistani-soldier-killed-in-cross-border-firing-ss-06
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/22-pakistan-soldier-killed-in-kashmir-border-firing-military-aj-03
Unlike your fantasyland, India retaliatory fire is very real and they are not exactly showering flowers on Pakistani positions.
Flood aid: Who are these Pakistanis fearing India would attack? Another of your dreams in wonderland! You guys are on a self-destruct mode by yourselves. Why should we bother?
Naxals: Ahh the dear naxals!!!!
Still hoping for the best!!!!! Good luck!!!
A silly Taliban ambassador! Seems you are still in Uranus!!
He was the ambassador of the Taliban to Pakistan!!!
The First Taliban were supposed to be the crowning glory of Pakistan and its ISI! The best buddy boys of Pakistan. Only Saudi Arabia and Pakistan recognized the First Taliban Govt. They were the fulfillment of the Pakistani dream of the strategic depth in Afghanistan, the jewel in the great game!And what happens then, ONE phone call from Uncle Sam and Mushy drops the Taliban faster than a hot potato.
No wonder he had to say this also:
‘They deceive the Arabs under the guise of Islamic nuclear power, saying that they are defending Islam and Islamic countries. They milk America and Europe in the alliance against terrorism, and they have been deceiving Pakistani and other Muslims around the world in the name of the Kashmiri jihad. But behind the curtain they have been betraying everyone.’
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/kamran-shafi-disaster-after-ignominy-after-disaster-180
Absolutely true.
IN fact rather than posting pages, this one para explains it all!!!!!
yaar what u want to say by comparing india with pakistan.on global map nobody even knw where pakistan is situated…….dnt try to befool u and pakistani people…go and take a tight sleep so u ll get fresh
@ hindustani pride,
LOL…’go take a tight sleep’ – I wouldn’t learn my english expressions from Hrithik Roshan if I were you…this makes no sense. I might have to use it in future though!
Don’t feel too aggravated by Pakistan, my child…even though we earned our name and our nation through a struggle for freedom, while your name and nation was given to you by the white man. The Western world always needs a good tea-boy, and for now your ‘country’ is more than willing to oblige. Now vhy don’t you take a tight sleep and vee can discuss this later, yaar!
A
@Architect,
You really have a special liking for anything having a scatological connotation!!
Post sent twice! As usual reading is a challenge for you! Have I not mentioned already in a post that my original post had ‘disappeared’ for time hence the double post.
IPI pipeline:
You are a wonder! I give you link after link on the present mode of transport of Gas to India by LNG carriers. I even tell you that India is building several more LNG terminals to get more Gas by LNG ships. An alternative sea based pipeline is being planned.
And yet you continue to rave on that India, by not being dependent on a presently non-existent pipe line supposed to come up at some future date, through an area susceptible to constant trouble and controlled by an enemy country is putting India’s future energy security at risk!!
Here’s another link for you.
‘Iran’s state television reported in early June that Tehran had finalised a $7.6 billion deal to export gas to Pakistan by 2015. Dubbed the “peace pipeline,” the project has been planned since the 1990s and originally would have extended from Pakistan to its old rival, India. But New Delhi has been reluctant to join the project because of its long-running distrust of Pakistan, with whom it has fought three wars since independence in 1947.Even the Iran to Pakistan leg of the link is in doubt after U.S. Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke warned Islamabad on Sunday against over-committing to the project because of the expected effects of the sanctions.Whether Pakistan — which is facing a growing energy supply crisis — will abide by U.S. sanctions that could affect the project remains unclear.’
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-49609520100624
A pipeline is fixed and you are stuck with it. What alternative does India have on any disruption to the pipeline? LNG ships/terminals are flexible. Anything happens on the Iran front, we can always move to others suppliers like Qatar.
The best security to India is provided by, ‘anything that bypasses Pakistan’.
Social Indicators:
Man we are going around in circles on several issues!!!
Your reply itself indicates that nothing left to add on this issue
Growth of gap between Rich and Poor:
As predicted!
There is no alternative to rapid economic growth.
India had a restricted and socialist economy right till the early 90s. While India was bogged down by its soviet inspired socialist ideals that neither allowed the economy to grow nor reduced poverty, while others raced ahead. India in fact lost decades of growth.
The main priority now is to grow, industrialize and develop. Unless we have alternatives to agriculture by way of jobs in the industry and service sector, there is no way to pull out the masses from poverty.
It is a growing economy that will generate resources. The Indian Central annual budget for the year 2010 has allocated Rs 1,37,674 crore (about 30 Billion $) for social sector spending. Such large allocations are now coming in only after revenue/tax receipts have jumped due to the growing economy.
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/02/26/pranabearmarks-rs137674-crore-for-socialsector.html
NREGA :Rural Employment guarantee programme:
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/02/26/highlightsof-union-budget-2010-11-partiii.html
Allocation of Rs 40,100 crore( about 8.5 Billion $)
Developed economies have taken generations to develop their economy .We are still in the process of first taking care of our growth process and our first priority is to grow. As we generate more resources, it will help us increase our social spending even more.
Commonwealth Games: They have not even taken place as yet and you are wringing your hands on the humiliations heaped!!!
Don’t worry about how we tackle or problems! Off course, we do not have the ruthless efficiency of a communist China where citizens cannot even migrate to another city in China without permission! One of the pitfalls of a democracy!
But we move ahead, much to the angst of our ‘friendly neighbors’.
You draw whatever vicarious pleasures you like from the so-called ‘humiliations’!!!
I am no defender of corruption, but you as usual are unaware of what’s going on in the world. Such large events, unfortunately, have often raised allegations of corruption.
Shadow of corruption hangs over Olympics
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Shadow-of-corruption-hangs-over-Olympics-6422.html
http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/10/former-beijing-vice-mayor-goes-on-trial/
‘China’s auditor general has found that money for Olympic projects has been siphoned off from China’s 2003 budget, the state-run media reported.’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3835019.stm
Olympics corruption scandal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/297030.stm
Energy Crisis:
Your understanding of an energy crisis is well explained by the presence of a Railway Factory in Pakistan that produces 23 engines in 17 years .No wonder you have no idea what I am stating on energy infrastructure and requirements.
Economy of Pakistan:
The little I know about the Pak economy is precisely what others also know!LITTLE!
‘Fudged numbers confuse Pakistan’s picture of growth’
http://www.maverickpakistanis.com/?p=3113
‘The committee set up to evaluate national accounts and economic growth data has decided to stop investigating allegations of fudged growth estimates, terming it a “futile exercise and wastage of money.”
http://tribune.com.pk/story/15938/panel-stops-evaluating-%E2%80%98fudged%E2%80%99-gdp-growth-data/
‘Fudged GDP growth numbers’
‘A former chief economist of the federal government talked of his “struggle” from 2002 to 2006, in an op-ed piece last week in this newspaper, to convince the authorities against manipulating data and how he could not succeed. As a result, final figures on poverty, GDP, unemployment, prices, etc., were “improved upon” although few believed in the achievements that were claimed.
Last month, one saw serious allegations of fudging of GDP growth and poverty figures. The ministry of finance was accused of having fabricated the figure of 2.37 per cent in an attempt to impress the IMF that this year’s GDP growth was almost close to what it had asked for –– the target of 2.5 per cent. Provisional GDP estimates for 2008-09 were worked out at Rs5,532.4 billion compared to the previous fiscal year’s Rs5,404.5 billion, resulting in an increase of 2.37 per cent.’
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/in-paper-magazine/economic-and-business/fudging-income-and-poverty-numbers-869
Wow! BUT absolutely expected from Pakistan.
You guys make up your own history; imagine victorious wars, indulge in two-faced foreign relations, lie to everyone! Just to name a few perfidies.
So what’s the big deal for you in ‘window –dressing’ the Pakistan economy’?
Considering the above, your link on the Pak economy is worthless!
It seems that only God (perhaps) and the Generals really know what exactly is going on in Pakistan!
Listen kiddo, forget the Indian economy, and try to make sense of your own country first!
I wonder if you guys have even lied on the population figures!!!
Fake encounters:
Truth is an alien concept in Pakistan that is well settled.
I have stated the factors behind some incidents of fake ‘encounters’ in the Indian forces. They are there and one cannot hide them. Aberrations do occur from time to time.As for the rest of our Army, our soldiers need no certification from your types certainly.
But your claim that such is unheard of in Pakistan is weird:
Is your delusional stupor so overwhelming!!!!!
PAKISTAN: Young women held in military torture cells and forced into sexual slavery
http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mainfile.php/2008statements/1843/
‘In the Pakistani military’s traditional stronghold of Punjab, paramilitary forces working with the army are killing and torturing farmers who refuse to sign contracts that would cede their land rights to the army’
From years back!
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2004/07/20/pakistan-military-torturing-farmers-punjab
Ah ! the delicacy and gentleness of the Pakistan army while conducting CI ops.
http://baluchsarmachar.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/pakistani-army-is-committing-gross-human-rights-violations-in-makaran/
The all Merciful pak army interviewing a suspect:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8285564.stm
Ever heard of Dr .Shazia Khalid?
http://antisystemic.org/satribune/www.satribune.com/archives/200502/P1_dna.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shazia_Khalid
Democracy:
Gujarat! Sorry, I should have remembered that you do suffer from a memory disability. Here let me post the links again:
‘Gujarat minister arrested over religious riots case’
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-38746520090327
‘Gujarat riots case: 12 sentenced to life imprisonment’http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/nov/25godhra.htm
Life sentences in India riot case
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4745926.stm
Bilkis Bano rape: eleven get life(including a police man)
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Bilkis-Bano-rape-eleven-get-life/Article1-270767.aspx
There is absolutely nothing to defend on the Gujarat riots, which followed the burning of the train bogie at Gujarat.
But the point being made is that the same democracy, which elects certain kind of leaders, has the safeguards to bringing the perpetrators to book and punish them.
You can keep on parroting the military and lazy line on the futility of democracies.
Nuclear Dependence
The Pak law of Reciprocity!!!!
Pak wants a nuke deal on the line of the US deal also. BUT in case of Pak that will be beneficial, In the case of India, the same type of deal will increase dependence!
It’s too much to expect from you, but I hope you are aware that this is a CIVIL NUKE deal. That is all MILITARY NUKE FACILITIES are not covered under the deal.
At least post a link which does not include the communists of India!!!! The commis have a fantastic world view of their own. Remaining in the time warp of the good old days of the Soviet Union and anti-imperialism.
Regarding your proclivity at ‘denials’ and dependence of India, read this:
‘India’s parliament last week gave the U.S. nuclear industry the legal equivalent of a Bronx cheer:( http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bronx+cheer ) It passed a law that denied American firms legal immunity from being sued in the event of a nuclear accident.’
‘Then there’s the ugly truth that India has little or no need to buy American. Russia, France, Japan and even China have competitive nuclear companies. India also can build its own fast and heavy-water nuclear reactors.’
As I said, be aware of what is actually happening in the world.
‘U.S. nuclear firms have been trying for years to get the international community to grant all nuclear vendors accident liability immunity by promoting the Convention on Supplementary Compensation for Nuclear Damage, an International Atomic Energy Agency initiative.’
India actually got its way against the US Supplier Group rather than giving any concessions.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703897204575488620396728104.html
Nuke Safety:
Clutching at straws will never cease! Habitual liars and fudgers have little options! What do you cite, incidents of high radiation!!!Boss even in an X-Ray clinic you may be exposed to high levels of radiation.
I have illustrated the incidents related to Nuke safety. India DOES not figure there.
Again, Nuke Power by its very nature has certain hazards and some incidents are inevitable.
BUT at NO time India has suffered any major nuclear incident.
Kuwaiti MPs:
Using the word Kuwait in your post meant nothing else but to imply Kuwait as a country. Why else would you use the words ‘even tiny Kuwait’? I am pretty sure you were not referring to the height of the MPs!!!!!
Kashmiri’s:
What we know is that Pakistan claims India invaded Kashmir, we claim that Indian troops landed at the call of Raja Hari Singh AFTER the signing of the instrument of accession and to repulse the invasion of Kashmir from Pakistan’s side.
Actually Pakistan is fully to blame for non-holding of the plebiscite in Kashmir .As usual Pakistan tried to, ‘have one’s cake and eat it too’.
Pakistan could not take the risk of giving up POK to the UN.WHAT if it lost that land too, the Pakistanis would never have forgiven the rulers then. Pakistan could have easily handed over Kashmiri areas captured by it to the UN and withdraw their forces in terms of the UN resolution and conditions of plebiscite. India then would have had NO option but to get a plebiscite conducted.
Pakistan chose not to and it will have to live by the consequence of its actions then. You cannot expect compliance from others when you yourself are not ready to comply.
Its the same international border war logic of yours you keep on touting in reference to the 1965 war, If pak sneaks into a war, India should not retaliate across its borders BUT also use the sneaky route!!!!
Read, it cannot get simpler than this:
‘As a prerequisite they required Pakistani nationals and tribesmen, who had come to fight in Kashmir, be withdrawn. Plebiscite abandoned
But in the 1950s, the Indian Government distanced itself from its commitment to hold a plebiscite. This was firstly because Pakistani forces had not been withdrawn and secondly because elections affirming the state’s status as part of India had been held. ’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1766582.stm
As I repeat often, Kashmir is not a simple black and white issue, NOR are sentiments the same across entire J&K.
China and Japan dwarf India:
Still trying to work out your complexes by spurious comparisons!!! As I have said earlier, one does not grow by seeing how far or behind the other is. Yes, one can be motivated by the performance of others but it depresses only ‘defeatists’.
Dwarf of No dwarf India still is, for example:
The 5th largest producer of steel in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_steel_production
The 7th largest producer of Cars and commercial vehicles:
http://oica.net/category/production-statistics/
4th largest exporter of cars in Asia AHEAD of CHINA BTW:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_industry_in_India
And we are only growing. As the Indian economy grows further at a faster rate, demand and production will only grow .
You can still crib how the above is no big deal or how every home in Pakistan produces cars or how simple it is to produce steel etc!
Bhopal Gas disaster:
Me being communal! You are the one spouting Ramadan Ramadan and pretending to drip piety! What a laugh! You go on! This is one point where you have an advantage!
I cannot hurl slurs against Islam on you, since that would be cursing millions of my own countrymen. You have no qualms on hurling communal slurs, despite the fact that there are minorities of Non-Muslim faiths in Pakistan!
The Bhopal Gas disaster took place in a very different India, in the 1980s; India was planning to liberalize and open her economy. It was the feeling than that stringent action against a US company may deter investments and the Indian economy was not what it is today. The initial cases booked against the company were weak.
Also the Media in the 80s was not as powerful and dynamic as it is todayBut as I say, we acknowledge our mistakes .The supreme court of India has REOPENED the criminal case.‘Supreme Court reopens Bhopal gas tragedy case’http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/supreme-court-reopens-bhopal-gas-tragedy-case-48514
BJP preaching!
They are no longer in power and when they were, none ever talked about reversal of Partition. The BJP ruled under the Indian constitution and quietly and peacefully exited from the scene when they lost the elections.
The Akhand Bharat types are in the same league as the cranks of the Ghazawa-I –Hind brigade seen on this site itself!
http://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/ghazwa-e-hind-the-final-showdown/
But at least the Akhand bharatis look back at an ancient India. The Ghazawa types are hyper cranks since they believe its part of the hadees that an Islamic caliphate is to be established over ‘Hindustan’!!! WOW
And yes, you don’t have to worry about Hindus or others! During Partition you ensured that almost all non-Muslims were either killed or forced to Migrate from west Pakistan. What remains in the tiniest minority, at the absolute mercy of the majority. AND YET at the risk of being framed for blasphemy, labeled second-class citizens, who cannot qualify to the highest posts of the land or can be declared as apostates by the Islamic courts or under an ordinance.
150 Million Muslims choose to stay on in India and almost 20% of India is Non-Hindu.97% of Pakistanis are Muslims and yet the tiny 3% minority cannot as equal citizens. What is left is a scattered tiny minority.
By the way I never really got a proper response as to why there was discrimination in giving flood aid to non-Muslims?
And how do you brush off Bangladesh?
How much did the Bengalis provoke you that you had to kill Millions of them. Even the lowest Pakistani(obviously biased)official figures puts it at 26,000!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atrocities
After partition, NOTHING, NOTHING has ever come close to the genocide and atrocities committed by Pakistan in Bangladesh.And that too on fellow (supposed country men and Muslims).If so called Indian atrocities in Kashmir were even 1/100 of what Pak did in Bangladesh, Kashmir would have gone from our hands long, long time back.
Hindus and Muslims cannot govern together!!!! Keep your illusions and lies to yourselves. There is a very big world out there apart from Pakistan!
IPI pipeline!
Aah the pinnacle of Pakistan’s independent foreign policy!!!(wink wink from uncle sam notwithstanding)I wish you would read the links I post. China has expressed interest in the pipeline in 2008 itself .One thing I must compliment the Chinese they move silent, swift and have a stranglehold on Pak. Remember how working in secrecy and in the background a part of Kashmir was ceded to the Chinese. Just wait for the Chinese to react and emerge in their own sweet time.
And your Hindustan times link, who do you quote, the same Communist Party of India(MARXIST) chap, the guys who live in the good old USSR days of anti-imperialism !!! SR Yechury believes that even having trade and relations with USA is supporting the imperialist cause and succumbing to US pressure.
Talk about clutching at straws. Why repeat quotes from the votaries of an extinct ideology.Whilst conveniently forgetting that India has invested many times over in Iran.
And here is US pressure!!
India and China both have denounced the United States and other European countries for imposing unilateral sanctions on Iran.
http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=222677
Indo-Iran trade:”We have a very cordial and friendly relations with India,” he said pointing to the USD 14 billion bilateral trade which Tehran wants to increase further.
14 Billion Dollars Trade! Not a result of any US pressure I am certain! Much more than the investments on your pipeline!
http://sify.com/news/india-iran-keen-to-enhance-trade-relations-news-international-kfrhQIcdgaa.html
Find some better excuses why India should pay for costly gas from a pipeline running through an enemy state?
Climate Talks:
China is the eternal, ‘higher than the highest mountains, deeper than the deepest ocean’ friend of Pakistan. But sorry we do not see them with the rosy tinted and with the starry eyed wonder that you do! Only the most deluded and ignorant will draw the inference that you do from the links I provided!!
Chinese getting more respect on human rights !!!!A country that chooses to roll over Tanks and APCS over college students in Tiananmen Square in full view of world cameras maybe your idea of human rights. Pakistan as a military dominated society having the same authoritarian streak as a communist state. The rest of the world is not so starry eyed. Most appreciate the tremendous economic progress of China but few, if any, commend its human’s rights record. Censorship, restriction on the media, summary trial, detentions and executions are routine in China.
Copenhagen Talks: China and India stand to be most affected by any climate change treaty. Both are industrializing heavily and any restrictions on emissions will have huge impact on the energy economics of the two. The two only way to fight the developed western world US and Europe is for the two to combine forces.
Stay in your little league and allow the big boys to play:‘India and China are the core of the Basic group, which has begun holding quarterly meetings to coordinate its response to future climate negotiations. Its next gathering will be in Cape Town on 25 April, ahead of a ministerial meeting called by Merkel on 2 May to lay the political groundwork for talks later this year in Berlin and Cancun’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/apr/12/copenhagen-destroyed-danish-draft-leak
As in your IPI pipeline it is national self-interest that will remain supreme and India will fight and protect her interests.
You can continue to dream in your wonderland on who serves tea where!!!!
I think you should worry more about your leaders selling off Pakistan!!!If Zardari were made to serve tea, I am sure he would pocket the tea bags, drink up the milk, lick of the sugar and try to pass of piss as tea!!!
HDI and OIC: How you link up HDI and human rights is beyond me!!!
Human development index is not an Index on Human Rights!! From what orifices do you pull out your conclusions!!
The parameters of HDI are below:
The HDI combines three dimensions:
• Life expectancy at birth, as an index of population health and longevity
• Knowledge and education, as measured by the adult literacy rate (with two-thirds weighting) and the combined primary, secondary, and tertiary gross enrollment ratio (with one-third weighting).
• Standard of living, as indicated by the natural logarithm of gross domestic product per capita at purchasing power parity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#Three_dimensions_in_the_HDI
Now, where is the measure of Human Rights there?
You just ramble on as you please.
The hypocrisy I pointed out is off course the Human Rights of some of OIC members themselves and second that despite claiming to stand for the rights of Islamic causes, most of the OIC are the biggest supporters of he west, Israel and the USA. Many OIC member have US bases which are used to attack fellow OIC members countries!!!
Hypocrisy at its highest. You criticize Israel and yet are the biggest recipients of US aid!
Shia –Sunni conflict:
Confused aren’t you! All the links I have posted are specific targeted attacks on the shia community in Pakistan.
Is placing a bomb in an Imambargah a random act!
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/26-killed-in-Pakistan-blasts-NWFP-tense/394762/
‘Unknown gunmen fired at the school van carrying Shia students.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/nwfp/gunmen-ambush-school-bus-hangu–qs
What’s the above got to do with Sunni majority or minority areas. So as before, what are these incidents, figments of imagination?
It’s useless to pretend that a shia-sunni divide does not exist in Pakistan. And its more foolish to expect that this divide will not have an effect on Shias in Kashmir.
Defence Journal is a specialist and professional magazine on defense affairs published in Pakistan.
http://www.defencejournal.com/2010-5/index.asp
India –Israel situation:
I have clearly stated the differences in the Israeli and Indian situation. Interesting, at one time you vehemently proclaim how Israelis are so different and now you draw parity.
Kashmir valley has seen a movement since 1989.But why this stone throwing now? The Palestinian intifada also has ben on for years! So what is going on now now?
It is a deliberate tactic adopted by the separatists. Sounds callous and ruthless, but the path that the types of Geelani have chosen, keeping children at the forefront can only lead to this. Are the security forces forcing these guys to throw stones?
If they feel that Kashmiri children/youth have to be brought into harms way, they have their blood on their hands as much as the bullet that killed them.
Female protesters, too are there occasionally, but overwhelmingly it is the male youngsters who are at the front.
And this has nothing really to do with minority-majority! Ever heard of any large demonstration or protest by any Indian Muslim group OUTSIDE the valley. They also know the cynical political games being played and the tactics of Kashmir separatist are well known.
Regards, Pakistani army Not targeting innocents, I have already given enough links.
BTW small arms fire kills one! An artillery shell explodes kms away and kills dozens, the targets and innocents alike. That is the level of care Pakistan army has for its citizens.
I have always stated that there remains a core anti-India constituency in the valley. Let them speak for themselves, but they do not represent Indian J&K as a whole.
But hey why are you taking away the credit from the jihadi guys from all over who come to attain ‘shahadat’ in Kashmir!
On Pakistani reunification:
As I have always said, Pakistan is not the representative of Islam and nor is it some leader of the Muslim world. It’s just a neighboring country where Muslims also happen to reside. The religion followed in Pakistan is immaterial. Based on the current anti-India attitude Pakistan has towards India, we would hate Pakistan regardless of whatever religion was followed.
Space: Look, I know you guys cut and run at the first opportunity, without lying you would not even have a defense of Pakistan day. Without the crutch of China and USA you would find it difficult to walk. When everything is a hand out, its difficult to appreciate the difficulties behind a risky endeavor. By the magic of delusion and deceit, off course we would have a perfect launch. BUT in the real world of space faring nations and science it’s a rigorous process of experimentation, daring, learning and adventure.
As I have said you guys be where you are, crawling on the ground!
Hey,did you ask Turkey, fellow OIC member, why it chose India to launch its satellite and NOT brotherly, friendly Islamic Pakistan!
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=47552
And yeah, why did it BUY Dhruv from India!
Or another fellow OIC and Islamic country, Algeria:
http://events.eoportal.org/presentations/12736/14250.html
After all its no big deal, the Darra local rocket offers satellite launch services all the time!
Systemic Failures!!! You only proclaim yourself to be a bigger idiot!
Nations, which build, learn from failures. The AH -64 apache is one of the most feared attack helos in the world. Yet it had issues, faulty tail rotors, metal stress, rotor failire etc
‘The Army announced 5 November 1999 that all its 660 AH-64A and 83 AH-64D models must be inspected before their next flight. The hanger bearing assemblies fore and aft house the drive train, which passes turbine engine power to the tail rotor. A failure in the flange area will result in loss of tail rotor thrust and such a failure could be catastrophic. Army investigators had identified the bearing assembly problem while looking into a January 1999 accident at Fort Rucker, Alabama, that destroyed an Apache and injured the 2-man crew. Army officials said stress corrosion fractures resulting from a hardness heat-treat process used during manufacture may cause the bearing assemblies to fail. Hanger bearing assemblies produced after the Army changed the manufacturing process in 1993 do not have the potential for such fractures. Army officials determined that at least 400 of 743 AH-64 Apache attack helicopters needed the new parts.’
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/ah-64.htm
So problems are identified, resolved and the helo further evolves. Off course a guy like you would start weeping and wailing at the dreaded word ’failure’!
MIG-21s:A deeper reading will help. Instead of relying on ‘rupee’ news, analyze things a bit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_military_aircraft_%282000%E2%80%93present%29
Chinese attrition:
Getting info on that from china would be a miracle! Nobody truly knows what is up in China given the nature of control there .Do you have the figures?
My reference to geographical area was in context of Pakistan. It being the smaller ,will have a much lower level of flying hours per sortie, UNLESS the pilot like to roam around in circles. That is one of the points of inconsistency ablaut the PAF safety record in terms of hours flown and the accidents stats in the links I posted.
1965 war, M Alam :
Always out for the consolation prize are you not! What is war for you? A football game!!!
One of the classical instances of the Pakistani myth building on the 1965 war. Did it achieve anything? Did it help the Pakistan war effort in any way? Did it help in freeing Kashmir?
And about the famed MM Alam, are you aware how he was treated later!A little of this will also help!
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1965War/Chapter5.html
Chalo,Kashmir to nahi mila, kuch fudging hi kar lete hain apne kaum ke liye!!!!
The problem is you guys have built up such an inflated view of yourselves that failure and defeat is hard to accept.
Kargil and Coffin scam: Coffin scam had nothing to do with combat operations. Justifiably the officers making the irregular purchase were prosecuted.
Sophisticated coffin or no coffin., tin can or no can(BTW ever soldier was sent in a wooden coffin) every fallen Indian soldier, reached home with honor on the shoulders of his comrades where they are remembered and honored.
IN contrast the conduct of the Pak army was shameful. They abandoned the NLI. Remember all that was being parroted was that Kashmiri INDIGENOUS freedom fighters were fighting in Kargil. Initially they were even refusing to take back the bodies claiming they were kashmiri. What kind of people are you?
Nobody remembers the Pak soldiers who died abandoned, dumped, and left to starve and die on the heights of a foreign land. Simply waiting for their inevitable death. Were it not for the Indian army, the few of the bodies, Pak army accepted would not even have reached home. It has been often heard that Pakistan only took the bodies of the officers and not the NLI men.
Handing over parts Kashmir:
The reason you do not have qualms to hand over parts of Kashmir is that Kashmir is again a fraudulent issue to make a fool of the Pakistani people and the Islamic world. There is no emotional attachment to them they are simply pawns. Who cares for the historical right of the Kashmiri to his land
Secondly it comes natural to a Pakistani to be subservient to the interest of a China or a USA or outside forces. Either Pakistan is busy providing bases to the USA for its forces /wars or giving land to china for its projects. So its absolutely no big deal for Pakistani to hand over parts of territory it controls to foreigners.
Pride and ghairat in any case are concepts that Pakistan has little idea about!
1965!!!
Boy you must be brain dead!!!!!!Has nothing gone into head as yet!!! Your own PAF Marshal (and s many other pak officers/observers) have stated that Pakistan initiated hostilities in 1965 in its fantasy to free Kashmir.
What India did was TO DIVERT the PAKISTANI attack by OPENING ANOTHER front by launching a riposte into Pakistan. (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/riposte). THIS is standard military defensive tactics. Read what your Air Marshal says, further the Indian reaction caught the pak leadership off guard; they had not expected any retaliation from India.
What fools, attack a country thinking that its going to stay quiet! The riposte succeeded in diverting pak strength away from Jammu and saving Kashmir.
WE had no intention of starting any war, why would we just after 3 years of 1962 defeat at the hands of China. India had neither the intention nor preparation or capability to launch a war in 1965 since it had NOT PLANNED the hostilities. The fact that India thwarted Pakistan’s aims was more than enough for India in 1965.
It is Pakistan alcoholic generals which, to justify a foolish war on Kashmir, turned the Indian action as some massive invasion of Pakistan STARTED BY INDIA.
Try to read and understand what your Air Marshal has said. Few have stated the lies by Pakistan on the 1965 Indo-Pak war so explicitly and plainly as he has.
You guys are basically bullies!!! Your army is the lord and master of all Pakistan who has no choice but submit to the military. And like all bullies preying on the weak, they actually start believing g that they are strong and powerful. The moment they come up against someone who not only kicks back, but gives back two more for good measure, is the nature of the bully exposed .
Unlike your brainless, incompetent and in Ayub’s case drunk, generals, India does not to go to war on personal ego or without preparing for it. India PREPARED and Planned a war in 1971, and the result is well known to all.
Always remember, we only have to fight the Pakistani Army and other forces. Pakistan has to fight Indian forces AND the Indian NATION.
And your so called artillery strike in 2002:
Where do you live!!!! On Uranus or Venus !!!!Incidents of Artillery exchange and firing on the LOC are as complementary to each other as milk and tea!!!
Poor kid trying to scare us with stories of casualties! In any conflict casualties are to be expected. Though I do note that the link also states that the Indian Army defense PRO had no info on the casualties.
But every bullet or shell lobbed across is returned back with added compliments. And know this, there is no force field or magic in Pakistan that stops Indian fire across the LOC into Pakistan.
http://www.siamdailynews.com/2010/06/17/pakistani-soldier-killed-in-cross-firing-with-india-pakistan-army/
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020522/main1.htm
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=8629#compstory
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/03-one-pakistani-soldier-killed-in-cross-border-firing-ss-06
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/22-pakistan-soldier-killed-in-kashmir-border-firing-military-aj-03
Unlike your fantasyland, India retaliatory fire is very real and they are not exactly showering flowers on Pakistani positions.
Flood aid: Who are these Pakistanis fearing India would attack? Another of your dreams in wonderland! You guys are on a self-destruct mode by yourselves. Why should we bother?
Naxals: Ahh the dear naxals!!!!
Still hoping for the best!!!!! Good luck!!!
A silly Taliban ambassador! Seems you are still in Uranus!!
He was the ambassador of the Taliban to Pakistan!!!
The First Taliban were supposed to be the crowning glory of Pakistan and its ISI! The best buddy boys of Pakistan. Only Saudi Arabia and Pakistan recognized the First Taliban Govt. They were the fulfillment of the Pakistani dream of the strategic depth in Afghanistan, the jewel in the great game!And what happens then, ONE phone call from Uncle Sam and Mushy drops the Taliban faster than a hot potato.
No wonder he had to say this also:
‘They deceive the Arabs under the guise of Islamic nuclear power, saying that they are defending Islam and Islamic countries. They milk America and Europe in the alliance against terrorism, and they have been deceiving Pakistani and other Muslims around the world in the name of the Kashmiri jihad. But behind the curtain they have been betraying everyone.’
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/kamran-shafi-disaster-after-ignominy-after-disaster-180
Absolutely true.
IN fact rather than posting pages, this one para explains it all!!!!!
you are very true.As india is far ahead thn our country in same manner u shows great depth of analysis and knowledge abt the subject thn this poor cheap fellow architect.
@ hindustani pride,
Hypocrisy from your kind is never a new concept. If I’m cheap, how would you describe someone who uses the road as toilet, but still finds the time to post messages under a childish pseudonym because he’s too much of a coward to assert his national identity?
I bet there’s no word for that in your special english dictionary, is there, you tight sleeper?!
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@ rajk,
I don’t have any fetish for scat, ‘man’…nor do I have a fetish for Hindustani freshie wannabes who try to sound like US teenagers. Is this you trying to fit the ‘Steve’ alter ego again?!
Huge surprise, you sent your message twice again – a repeated trend from someone who still has the delusion of size being the winning factor in his posts. But then again, it’s not hard to understand why Hindustani guys have a bit of a complex over size, right?
You have been posting a lot of spurious crap about Hindustan’s LNG sea carriers and alternative gas transportation methods. I noticed that when the truth closes in on you , you tend to get a little panicky and end up missing the point completely. The very fact that your insecure government is desperately trying to look at more expensive methods of importing energy (while its people continue to live in subhuman conditions) just in an attempt to scupper the pipeline plan is actually PROOF of my point rather than proof against it. As I said before, though, best of luck with that! Let’s see how many more Hindustanis have to get blown to pieces in more botched ‘indigenous’ efforts, just so that your paranoid politicians can massage their fragile egos.
Yes, apparently we’re ’stuck’ with this terrible pipeline, which will bring huge transit revenues to Pakistan, create a foundation for crucial energy trade links within the region, and help to alleviate Pakistan’s huge energy crisis (we have an energy crisis also! We must be a ’shining superpower as well!)…yes, that’s really bad news for us. LOL…it says a lot about your simplicity that you use the word ’stuck’ here. How can any sane person reason with this level of stupidity? It is in fact your kind who are ’stuck’ with their ancient hysteria over Pakistan, and are forced to look at circuitous sea routes as ‘flexible’ options. As I said, good luck with that – you guys are no strangers to mindless expenditure though (except for your poor).
I don’t see how we’re going around in circles regarding social indicators. I’ve told you that you live in a dirt-poor toilet, and you’ve more or less agreed. Initially you tried sending a riposte based on some stats, but the stats blew up in your face. It all seems pretty straightforward to me, ‘man’.
LOL…here you are again, doing a poor impression of an intelligent person, trying to give me a lecture on your economic failures. I’m not referring to your long-term inability to pull masses out of poverty, I’m referring to the situation of the impoverished Hindustanis – who make up most of your ‘country’ – actually GETTING WORSE. What part of that confuses you? Instead of stumbling through the murky territory of ’soviet inspired socialist ideals’, about which you clearly have little knowledge, take a closer look at the ruthless free market economic policies that have made you such loyal servants of the US in the first place; THAT is the principle factor behind the woeful standard of living for most of your citizens. That trend doesn’t look like it’s going to change any time soon, especially when Hindustanis like you keep on counting the numbers of billionaires and luxury condos as examples of economic success.
Take a closer look, my little friend; I’m not the only one in the world remarking on the humiliating performance of your country’s preparations for the Commonwealth Games. Why shouldn’t we worry?
Disease threat at Delhi Commonwealth Games site
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11241218
Even your own ’sportsmen’ are adding to the debacle by being found to be involved in doping.
Cheating, disease, corruption, multiple strikes, poor sanitation, mismanagement, incompetence…and you reply by sending me a few ridiculous links about a couple of million here and there being siphoned off in previous events. Your democracy continues to impress!
I’m glad you had at least enough shame to acknowledge that you knew nothing about Pakistan’s economy. It’s a shame you had to further prove that point by making a fool of yourself though. Although you should give yourself a pat on the back for trawling the internet and finding a link that questions Pakistan’s economic development, the sad news is that exactly the same thing has been said about Hindustan in the past as well.
The Poverty Of Statistics
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?224154
Of the two countries, only one is accustomed to inventing fake claims in its ongoing subjugation of its own people, and that’s Hindustan. Only one of the two countries claims to be an economic powerhouse while a sizeable chunk of its people see greater levels of poverty than Sub-Saharan Africa, and again that’s Hindustan. So of the two claims, I know where my doubts lie. You have the nerve to refer to Pakistan’s ‘perfidy’ when you’re still trying to use your energy crisis as a sign of success…lol, would you rather I put your ignorance down to deceit, or just plain stupidity?
Ah…speaking of faked encounters, here’s more healthy hypocrisy from you. You openly admit to your army sponosoring several shameful lies in order to pick up a few medals (were the medals real, or were they made of the same tin that was used for your coffins?) and then you somehow think you can make obnoxious remarks about the truth in Pakistan. The sad fact is, we will honestly never know hwo many more faked encounters the Hindustani ‘army’ conjured up against the Kashmiris, because their septic presence in the region means they call all the shots and can act without impunity. Unfortunately, when they invent victories against Pakistani forces, they never have quite as much success.
Faked valour
http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2111/stories/20040604002709400.htm
I looked through all your links, which apparently were meant to prove that Pakistan’s soldiers had indulged in the same kind of sordid activity. The sad thing is, even before I opened the first one I knew that you were wasting my time. Not ONE of the references has ANYTHING to do with fake encounters in wartime situations; one of the links referred to an army interrogation, and another was from a Balochi blog! LOL! Looks like you’re digging real deep in your research there, boy!
Let me repeat my advice to you on Gujarat: until there is some genuine proof that your makeshift ‘country’ can take any punitive action against the filthy perverts (mostly state-sponsored) who showed the world how ’secular’ Hindustan is, you should just take a seat quietly and pray for this subject to finish. Once again, as I never tire of telling you, try reading your links before you send them out.
‘Gujarat minister arrested over religious riots case’
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-38746520090327
“Officials say 4,252 riot-related cases were registered in Gujarat, but police in the state dropped more than 2,000 for lack of evidence.”
That’s right…a couple of token arrests to please a sceptical world, while the majority of perpetrators are left to brag openly about their sick crimes. Yet another reason to congratulate yourself on your farcical justice system. I think you should restrict your defence to bleating about your ‘free press’; there isn’t really much else worth mentioning for you. Or do you think the 12 scumbags who were imprisoned were responsible for all 3,000 deaths and rapes? Of course you do, don’t you?! Again, it’s only an idiot who sees such shameful transgressions of law and order and uses that to demonstrate the SUCCESS of a ‘democratic’ government. If anything, Hindustan is an embarrassment to smaller nations that aspire to implement democratic traditions.
Why are you suddenly backpedalling on your ‘groundbreaking’ nuclear deal with the US? Now all of a sudden you’re keen to remind me that it’s only a civilian arrangement. Are you ashamed of it for some reason?! Perhaps you’re finally coming round to the realisation of what a joke the whole thing is. Even then, in your complete naivety, you’ve written off your ‘country’s’ communist movement as being stuck in a ‘time warp’. Hmm…yes, stuck in the good old days when Hindustan’s rich-poor divide wasn’t a cause for international concern. How dare they fight for those days, eh? And then you wonder why a third of your ‘country’ is up in flames.
When you start providing time-wasting links to dictionary definitions, you know that you are running out of credible arguments. Perhaps you are aroused by bland Americanisms like the ‘Bronx Cheer’ but it really means nothing to me. What your link basically states is that to make up for its historical humiliation over the Bhopal fiasco of 1984, New Delhi is trying to pin some form of liability on suppliers of nuclear suppliers.
India Passes Nuclear Deal
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/world/asia/31india.html
“Indian business groups and even the government’s own Nuclear Power Corporation of India, which operates the existing reactors, have warned that such liability language was problematic and could dissuade private suppliers.”
Let me translate that into simple English for you, call-centre boy: the main allure of your ‘country’ is the opportunity it offers private firms to operate with zero concern for the life of the average Hindustani. Now that your politicians (not even your government, we’re talking about the opposition!) has finally grown some balls after 20 years, suppliers are wondering if the deal is actually worthwhile. So you’d better get cracking on your on mickey-mouse heavy water reactors, which as we all know are a shadow of what foreign firms can deliver.
LOL…poor boy was so impressed by ‘Bronx Cheer’ he completely missed the effects of the legislation!
As for Hindustan’s nuclear safety record, try thinking like an adult for once and realise the implications of the link that I sent you. Don’t worry…unlike you, I send liknks that actually reinforce my point.
http://www.indiatogether.org/2007/mar/env-nukesafe.htm
“Notions of safety differ, but what they all have in common are usually claims about the future. In making the connection between the past record of anomalies and future prospects for safety, one must go beyond the mere presence or absence of accidents to study the factors present.”
The level of accidents bears NO relevance on the abysmal levels of safety that you exercise over your sites, ‘boss’. It’s a shame I had to spell this out to you, along with everything else. When was the last time you worked something out for yourself?
What kind of childish, moronic argument are you trying to peddle regarding the Kuwaiti MP? I’ve stated simply, and several times, that a political voice within the government of Kuwait has spoken out against Hindustan’s many human rights violations in occupied Kashmir. And you’re asking me questions about his height? If you can’t formulate something resembling a proper response, why even bother replying?
Pakistan condemns Indian use of force in Kashmir
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/news/344166,indian-use-force-kashmir.html
If Kuwaitis offend you so much, here is Pakistan’s own Foreign Minister, himself a pro-Hindustani, speaking out against your latest orgies of violence.
Continuing on the subject of Kashmir, I know how much it offends you but I can’t help thinking you studied your history at the University of Bollywood. Is that the only functioning insitution in your country? Has the ‘government’ of Hindustan EVER produced a single shred of proof that the Article of Accession was signed before Hindustani troops forcibly entered the province? No. Your past is so deeply mired in controversy and twisted information, you have to swear blindly to that which you know is a lie. Once again, you’re trying to mimick your Zionist masters by bringing up irrelevant, time-wasting challenges, such as Pakistan not taking the ‘risk of giving up’ Azad Kashmir. LOL…what an idiot. Seriously, what a clueless fool. Where is the risk, my child? Through all your internet trawling, can you give me ONE link, or even ONE reference to Azad Kashmiris hoisting the Hindustani flag up in Muzaffarabad, or chanting pro-Hindustan slogans in the city centre? Can you tell me when was the last time Pakistani security forces blindly opened fire on an unarmed crowd of protesters in Mirpur? What kind of crap do you try to come up with, just so you can deflect away from the issue at hand?
Something that always makes me laugh is the line I hear from Hindustanis: ‘every time we are considering a plebiscite, Pakistan sabotages it.’ Complete rubbish. Hindustan has never entertained the idea of a plebiscite in IOK, and will never do so. Even if someone even more pro-Hindustani than Zardari were calling the shots in Islamabad, you and your kind would still blindly tell yourselves that the thousands of protesters across IOK were all ISI agents, and that the Pakistani Army was lying in wait. Not content with lying to the world, Hindustanis have perfected the art of lying to themselves as well – not an easy task for most, but a nation of primitive, impotent hyprocrites doesn’t really have much else to go by I guess.
Here you are again, painting the image in my head of Hindustan as a toothless poodle trying to jump up and down in competition with the top dogs Japan and China. The more hysterical you get, the funnier your arguments are. Have you not realised that there comes a time when you should cut your losses and accept that you’re chasing a lost cause?
The 5th largest producer of steel in the world. Behind China (first) and Japan (second). LOL…China produces over ten times what your ‘country’ does, and you still consider yourselves in the same bracket. Priceless.
The 7th largest producer of cars and commercial vehicles. Behind China (first), Japan (second), even Soouth Korea. China produces approximately five times the amount in Hindustan. What else would you call that other than ‘dwarving’?
4th largest exporter of cars in Asia. You must be so proud! The majority of exports come from foreign companies coming and cashing in on cheap labour; echoes of the nuclear argument again? Meanwhile China and Japan cater for far more domestic brands; again, something that’s considerably out of your league. Now I have to endure the same banal response: ‘You have a complex boss! Don’t be so defeatist boss!’ And again I’ll have to tell you that it’s not a ‘complex’ when I remind you that Hindustan isn’t even CLOSE to being a regional superpower, but since you have nothing else of any value to offer, you will still come back with the same tired replies.
I have to ask you again, when did I inject any communal element into the Bhopal disaster? Please, be an adult and paste the actual point where I demanded to know the religious breakdown of the victims, or when I connected it to ‘Ramadan Ramadan’, as you suggested. This is one of those points at which I do wonder why I reply to you; you clearly have no mature, sensible response, so you introduce these pathetic distractions in an attempt to save face, whereas all you’re doing is making an idiot of yourself. So for the sake of your own maturity (because you’re sounding more and more like a petulant teenager), please tell me where I turned the Bhopal fiasco into a religious issue. The sad irony of your ridiculous statement is that it only serves to reinforce the communal insecurities that hold your ‘country’ hostage; by your own confession, the Muslim-majority area has seen precious little compensation since the accident, and the token efforts at bringing the white perpetrators to justice have amounted to a joke. So great work on your part; well done on turning a national calamity into a communal one as well.
The BJP’s genesis was Jan Sangh, and its single point agenda was the reunification of Hindustan and Pakistan. It was from this wet dream that the ranks of the BJP swelled, and made it a federal-level political force that it is today. Tell me, when was the last time a party that has wielded power at a federal level in Pakistan called for Ghazawa-e-Hind? Hmm, having a little trouble there? What position does Zaid Hamid have within the government? What influence does he have on our generals? Is it even close to what Bal Thackeray has on the communal officers within the Hindustani ‘army’? No. Another stupid, futile comparison on your part.
I was wondering when you would have the audacity to bring up Partition to further your sick communal agenda. There are elders in Pakistan who still have distant memories of fanatical Hindutva scum boarding trains bound for Pakistan, slaying every living ting they could see. Many of the survivors only made it to the new country because they feigned death. In Pakistan, such gratuitous expressions of religious bloodletting died away within years, but as we have established, in Hindustan it survives well into the 21st century. Who the hell do you think you are to talk about minorities when your ‘country’ is highlighted repeatedly in the world as an epicentre for communal hatred? Next time you feel like you want to stand on your soap-box to make a speech about religious tolerance, try looking up the term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_violence
“See also: Religious violence in India”
‘Shining’ Hindustan’s religious tensions are a modern-day byword for religious violence. It disgusts me that Hindustanis like you try to preach your twisted versions of Partition to cover up this simple, repulsive fact.
Haha and here we are, back at Bangladesh…quite understandable, most Hindustanis see this as the first and last success in their foreign policy exploits. I’m not particularly interested in your exaggerations; it is very hard to believe that ‘millions’ were killed by an army of around 50,000 angry civil servants. In the midst of your moralising, you have neglected to mention the tens of thousands of West Pakistanis who were killed also, no doubt many of them being civilians who were butchered by the Hindustani ‘army’. You should pitch your re-written version of history to others who are less knowledgeable; Pakistanis have been dealing with your insidious misinformation campaigns for decades now.
Once again (is this the third or fourth time?) the creation of Bangladesh – rather than the creation of another Hindustani ’state’ – shows that even at this point in their history, Bengalis were not prepared to return to Hindu-majority rule. They may have felt sidelined by West Pakistan, but they knew enough about New Delhi’s Hindutva identity to go it alone. What does that tell you, boy?
Your rantings on the IPI pipeline are beginning to get silly now. So far Islamabad has persevered with the project despite strong US opposition (so I’m already talking a different language to the one you understand), and now that you’ve been forced to face that, suddenly it’s China that is the real aggressor. LOL…you’re a complete clown. I suppose after China it will be Kazakhstan will it?! And then maybe Georgia who is controlling our policy?! All your reply has done is confirm your inherent fear of the Chinese. There’s no need to be so defensive about that, Hindustanis are known to be coy around nations which are more powerful than them and slap them down when they get too uppity. That is in your national fabric.
Once again, you’re a fool if you refer to the powerful Maoists as having an ‘extinct ideology’. It’s easy for you to sit in your sewer over there in Hindustan and make these silly statements, but next time 70-odd soldiers get ambushed (with surprising ease) in Eastern Hindustan, maybe you and your kind will be forced to sit up and pay a little more attention to that ‘extinct ideology’. Doesn’t really make a difference to me either way, it’s down to you to respect reality.
LOL – poor guy, using the sanctions on Iran to again try to bring Hindustan up to the level of the Chinese. As I never tire of telling you, read your own link boy:
http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=222677
“India on Monday expressed its disapproval of unilateral sanctions by individual countries that restrict investments by third countries in Iran’s energy sector, The Hindu reported.”
Typical two-faced, slimy Hindustani mentality. In her statement, Rao didn’t even have the guts to cite the US directly – compare that to Beijing, which issues open statements against Washington. But why would a nation that is accustomed to slavery suddenly rebel against its white masters? I read through this kind of news and then I read your stupid comments about Pakistani policy being two-faced…your hypocrisy is almost nauseating.
After everything that I have taught you about your own ‘country’, how can you still have the nerve to give sermons on human rights? Do we need to have yet another discussion on female infanticide, or ethno-religious pogroms? Do you honestly never learn? When did I even suggest that China’s human rights record was ‘commendable’? Don’t get me wrong – compared to Hindustanis, they are angels…but we could say that about most of the world. You have to fall back on the Tiananmen Square riots of 1989, although over ten years later you were clocking up the same level of fatalities (let’s not even mention sexual violence and torture) in Gujarat.
Are you not yet embarrassed by your own attempts to put Hindustan in the same ‘big boy’ league as China? I could reel off yet another boatload of links showing you how abysmal your social indicators were, or give you a little more information on how puny your economy is compared to your northern neighbours, but I’m hoping you will finally grow a brain of your own and realise that for yourself.
China has no need whatsoever to ‘combine forces’ with Hindustan; save that cheap fantasy for Bollywood. The vast majority of the developing world has an interest in climate change, genius. That’s the only thing you really have in common with China – and that also puts you in the same bracket as Guatemala and Angola. So congratulations!
All you have to fall back on are more tasteless jokes about Zardari…as I said, keep on trawling the Pakistani websites that you love so much and you will find far more intelligent insults towards him and most of the current administration. Having said that, since one of your previous Prime Ministers was a fan of drinking urine, maybe you know more about its virtues than I do.
There is no index on human rights, which is why the HDI is an effective yardstick to measure the progress of nations on the treatment of their citizens. I can see that you have little by way of a comeback, because all you have done is copy and paste information from the same link I sent to you. This began with your senseless suggestion that most members of the OIC could not compare to the glowing social success that was Hindustan. The simple fact is that the majority of those nations are healthier and better educated than yours. In other words, they are completely at liberty to condemn your monstrosities in occupied Kashmir.
But hey, if it’s human rights specifically that turn you on, I’m more than happy to revisit a few Amnesty reports which show how much progress Hindustan has been making (in the wrong direction) on that front!
Pakistan is the biggest recipient of US aid?
U.S. Foreign Aid Recipients and Voting at the United Nations
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/04/us-foreign-aid-recipients-show-little-support-for-america-when-voting-at-the-united-nations
If you can deal with the task of analysing graphs, take a look at the list of aid recipients. Pakistan ranks below Israel, Egypt, Columbia and Russia amongst other nations. It’s also worth looking at the amount of votes that each country gifts to Uncle Sam at the UN – looks like Hindustan’s independence comes at a considerably cheaper price than Pakistan’s. Shame you didn’t do some basic homework before starting yet another failed argument, eh?
You’ve confined your idiocy regarding Shias to a single paragraph now, hopefully because you have realised that you’re a moron. Even now I am stunned at your capacity for stupidity and utter ignorance, in which you actually seem to take pride. Your comments are so ridiculous, I can’t believe I’m lowering myself to dealing with them.
Bomb blast hits Pakistan protest
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2010/04/201041914959513554.html
A bomb blast in Pakistan that took place in Peshawar, in April earlier this year. Peshawar is hardly a Shia stronghold. But what difference does that make to you? When you wade into a subject with zero knowledge, it’s easy for me to take you to pieces. As I said before, you stick to your own personal obsessions with sectarian differences; no wonder all your Dalits are desperate to convert. But the Kashmiri freedom movement is an indigenous, historic campaign – of the many, many links I have sent you to verify this, not ONE has made any mention of Sunnis or Shias. Seriously, you have no idea how stupid you sound.
Haha don’t worry about using ‘Defence Journal’ as security blanket, puttar, feel free to fall back on whatever sources you like. Sending me the link to the website really doesn’t mean anything to me though, lol. Why have you not yet explained why even in your cherry-picked sources, there is no mention of Hindustani resistance in Akhnoor?
If you take a closer look through my posts instead of swimming through your sewer, or whatever it is you do over there, you will see that I have been selective in comparing Hindustan to Israel. Israel is NOT crippled by hundreds of different separatist movements, Hindustani IS. Israel is NOT known for using rape as a tool of suppression against its victims, Hindustan IS. Israel does NOT make baseless claims to be a secular state which looks after all its people, Hindustan DOES. The two combine only when it comes to the ruthlessness with which they try to suppress a relentless freedom campaign, heaping violence upon violence. That is more or less the keystone of your cooperation – how to keep an occupied people down, with flagrant disregard for human rights. Have I made the distinction a little more clear for you now?
Again, you offer yet more crap about how Kashmiris somehow bring this violence upon themselves, which is exactly what the Israelis say about the Palestinians. You can’t run away from this, so you fill your posts with spurious rubbish about ‘children’ leading the protests, and the whole thing being engineered by cynical conspirators…blah blah blah. Your failure to see the writing on the wall is actually pathetic. All you really have to brag about is the fact that Kashmiris are being denied their dream – which is independence from Hindustan. How many were mown down just a few days ago, 18 civilians? Your own ‘Prime Minister’ was shocked – so no wonder faceless zombies like you are still struggling to come to terms with the ground realities.
All your talk about ‘core constituency’ opposition is just waffle. Something else that Hindustan and Israel have in common, both lands are filled with morons who pollute the air with meaningless rhetoric which has no grounding in reality. Even the Israelis aren’t stupid enough to claim the Palestinians are proud to be part of their nation; at least they treat their victims openly like dogs instead of feigning shock at their levels of hatred. Hindustan is exclusive in the world on that front, yet again.
LOL…I see the space issue has made you wet your pants all over again. Do you guys even have a defence day? What have you ever defended?! Perhaps in Hindustan a ‘Conquest Day’ celebration would be more in order; there’s a suggestion for you. If China and the US are our crutches, what is Russia and Israel to you? At least Pakistan isn’t being palmed off with shoddy equipment that falls to pieces within days; the Russians must love working with you guys, lol. Behind all your hot air, what do you have to offer about your failed space launch? Nothing. So am I right in thinking that the regional superpower flexed its muscles by developing an indigenous engine for a cryogenic launch, which ended up looking more like a fart in a can? I must be right, because so far all you have been able to come up with are a couple of irrelevant links about satellite launches and a few witless comments about Pakistan. Again, when has Islamabad ever opted to deprive its nation of billions of dollars to invest in a failed space program? Why are you having so much trouble answering that, ‘man’?! LOL…tell you what – I’ll play ‘Vande Materam’ on the CD player and you can start bleating out the same ‘we are great, we will march on and on, we have a free press’ speech! How does that sound ‘man’?
When you find yourself trying to compare the third-rate Dhruv to the Apache attack helicopter, you know that your time is up. You must be learning about aerial hardware from the same textbooks where you pick up your knowledge on Shias, lol. The Apache helicopter racked up an awesome reputation in the many years after its development in the 70s; that was around 15 years before the whole fleet was subjected to technical inspections. The Dhruv’s comical history began in 1984, and after your own Navy rejected it, Hindustan tried pitching them overseas – only for the world to watch a calamity of errors as they were plucked out of the sky by the simple force of gravity. The only nations that have committed to any purchases are poor, third-world nations that quite frankly can’t afford anything more competent. And that’s your equivalent of the Apache?!
Don’t hide behind silly statements about how hard it is to get stats from China, you only end up sounding like an idiot again. When it comes to Air Force attrition, however much rubbish you come up with about land masses (LOL!) etc etc, the facts don’t really work in your favour. Try looking at your own link, and following it through to the website which charts all air accidents.
http://www.baaa-acro.com/Statistiques%20des%20Accidents/Tableau%20-%20Pays.htm
If you’re up to the task, take a look at the number of accidents linked to the PAF and compare it to the number of Hindustani ‘Air Force’ planes that went down. You suffered more crashes in the 60s alone than PAF has throughout its history! I’m sorry, but surely you have to see the funny side of that as well, especially in light of all the bizarre arguments you’ve been coming up with to defend your ‘pilots’.
Speaking of the PAF performance, it seems a real shame that you’re still swinging back again to discuss 1965, like a mindless punchbag. Tell me again, where was the resistance at Akhnoor? I don’t mind you bragging about breaching an international border to deflect attention away from your resounding failures in occupied Kashmir, but how can you be so thick as to not see how that makes you the aggressor? Did you not read my link, which describes how your effeminate ’soldiers’ were chased out of Sialkot and Lahore by regular citizens? I guess that’s what happens when your ‘army’ is used to inflicting abuse on defenceless, downtrodden Kashmiris; when you came up against free Pakistanis you had your @sses handed back to you on a plate. Even today the people of Lahore remember it with pride. What else would you call it other than a victory? Maybe it was also a victory for those of your ’soldiers’ who made it back to Hindustan alive; in that case, bravo to you!
I see you’re still looking desperately for a comparison between Hindustan’s coffin scam and a similar incident in Pakistan; it’s relieving to see that for all your trawling, all you have is the same drivel about deceased Pakistani soldiers being left in IOK. I’m sorry, my friend, but despite the national relevance you attach to burial (particularly that of female babies), within Pakistan is isn’t considered a scandal for a corpse to not be buried. Your infantile remark about NLI bodies being left is just the product of standard filthy Hindustani rumour-mongering, so not really worth my time in examining. As I mentioned before, in Pakistan our soldiers dream of dying in support of their country, regardless of where their corpses fall. So by all means if it brings you a private sense of arousal, keep harping on about it – it really doesn’t compare to moshing multiple Hindustani stiffs into mickey-mouse coffins to pick up a juicy commission. And to think we haven’t even looked closely at the doctored encounters that are so popular among your rank and file! Honour and pride at the most senior and junior levels…must bring a tear to your eye, eh?!
You ask me who cares about the historical plight of the Kashmiris, and the answer is simple: everybody but you and your kind. You have come up with so many idiotic statements about Kashmir (I’m still amused at your excellent Sunni-Shia analysis), and all of it serves to help you blind yourself to the sheer levels of bestial cruelty that your ’soldiers’ inflict on innocent Pakistani Kashmiris.
Buried Evidence: Unknown, Unmarked, and Mass Graves in Indian-Administered Kashmir: A Preliminary Report
http://www.humansecuritygateway.com/showRecord.php?RecordId=31546
Upwards of 70,000 deaths – and you’re shameless enough to refer to these people as agitators.
What does Chinese Kashmir have to with any of this? I’ve tried looking, but I can’t find any reports about mass graves in that part of the province, or in the Pakistani part. Once again, a specialist area for the Hindustanis. You will look elsewhere for as long as you can, until the stench of your own subhuman policy of oppression comes up to pay you back with interest.
LOL…there aren’t many nations which can claim that they had no intention of starting a war after invading another country. I actually feel a little upset for you that even your cherished source, Defence Journal, states how the Pakistanis were meeting no resistance in Akhnoor – despite being subjected to dysfunctional leadership power struggles. Read my link closely, you poor child. What date was it that your ‘General’ Chaudhary had planned to have a drink in Lahore Gymkhana? The evening of 6th September? I’m pretty sure that by then he had picked up his skirt and raced back to his own country with the rest of his ’soldiers’, hadn’t he? It’s a shame you need a Pakistani to tell you all this.
You dedicated a whole paragraph to more Bollywood-style hot air, talking about ‘kicking back’ – hmm…the only kickback your ‘army’ is known for is the healthy ones it gets from dodgy coffin deals. Tell me, who were the bullies when the PAF chased away a squadron of Hindustani jets that were strafing a passenger train? LOL…who were the bullies when Pakistani civilians destroyed Hindustani tanks by diving under their treads with grenades? I don’t particularly care that your ‘country’ is so bereft of national pride that it has to invent victories, but don’t make the mistake of likening your sexually deprived, people-killing military machine to the defenders of Pakistan.
Lt Gen forced to resign on sexual misconduct charges
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/lt-gen-forced-to-resign-on-sexual-misconduct/628933/
That’s what your officers do best – unfortunately sometimes they think the rest of the world is the same as Kashmir, where they can get away with this kind of filthy practice without losing any sleep. I’m surprised this guy wasn’t given a medal for his efforts, actually.
Apparently Hindustan ‘prepared and planned’ a war in 1971! That’s funny, because up until now you’ve been babbling on about the war being a direct result of a refuge crisis. This is what I love about Hindustanis…they are very consistent in being two-faced. Put a tiny bit of pressure on them, and the mask slips off to reveal their true colours. Thanks for clearing this one up, ‘man’!
I don’t think Pakistan really has to worry about fighting the Hindustani nation – most of them seem to take great pleasure in fighting each other. Do you need another volley of links on the ragtag band of Maoists who are picking your ’soldiers’ off like tin cans?!
Why have you sent me a whole bunch of links on LoC crossfire? You’re wasting my time, again. The link that I sent you was simply to show that even when Hindustan’s ‘legendary’ fury (LOL!) had been provoked, our boys were inflicting casualties on you. No invasion, no massive counter-attack…all the claims of Hindustanis acting in the same way the US did in Afghanistan was just spineless rhetoric. You wanted to subdue Pakistan and you can’t even subdue an occupied province. Delusions of grandeur…you guys make the mind boggle, seriously.
Pakistan’s suspicion of your flood aid is completely understandable – Hindustan is the most untrustworthy ‘country’ in the region; if you would attack Pakistan in the middle of the refugee crisis of 1971, why would you suddenly grow some dignity and refrain from doing so now?
Haha I think by the end of your post you must have been getting tired; as I mentioned earlier, Hindustani guys have a bit of an issue with size. Where does Mushy come into this? Apparently we’ve dropped our support for the Talibaan after one phone call.
Pakistan refuses to hand over captured Taliban leaders to Afghanistan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/18/pakistan-refuses-handover-taliban-afghanistan
Whoops…seems you’ve been getting your news from Aishwariya Rai again. That explains why you have the poltical intelligence of an airhead. As I’ve told you before, in case you haven’t realised the world is coming round to dealing with the Talibaan – which of course is a shame for you guys, since Afghanistan was your first foray into colonising, and it’s looking increasingly likely to be a complete failure. You should really restrict yourselves to doing what you do best – getting conquered repeatedly. Leave the hard work of strategic depth to countries that know something about it.
Your last comment says it all – a quote from the same link that you sent last time. Well done. Try reading the opinion of APHC leader Geelani on the virtues of Hindustan:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/141367.html
“You see a population of more than 100 million, and they are not having any human sympathy as they are not concerned. They are using brutal force to crush the hope of the people of Jammu-Kashmir. I have been witnessing the whole situation; what has been happening since 1947 up until today. So India’s attitude is undemocratic, inhuman, immoral, and based on the force of gun.”
The opinion of well-respected separatist leader means a lot more than that of a washed-up ambassador. But I don’t think there’s anything in the above statement that’s news to you, is there?
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lol u r talking abt dopping…look at our own sportsperson.imran khan.waseem akram,miandad,akhtar.malik etc and etc…india hav spent 70,000carore of rupess more than our economy..
@ hindustani pride,
Dopping?
Er, no mate – nobody here’s talking about dopping! Yaar vat is this dopping business?! Is it ven vee take drugs and then have a tight sleep?! LOL…
There is no embarrassment greater than getting DOPED up for an event that your own country is hosting – just another stain on the status of your ’superpower’ nation…
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@Architect,
Posting twice, well with the post disappearing at times; have to make sure that you see it. Besides, reading it twice may actually help you understand what is being said a bit better.
LNG Carriers and the IP pipeline:
Security, continuance/flexibility of supplies is the overriding factor to consider alternate routes to the IPI pipeline. Any country with a large petro-industrial sector would know that.
But, as with many things that make sense, these concepts are alien to Pakistan.
The IP pipeline may be a prestige symbol for Pakistan; it’s not the same for us.
India’s decisions will be for her own self-interest; it has nothing to do with what Pakistan wants, feels or benefit or loses. If conditions in Pak are OK and pricing from Iran is OK there would be no issues.
BTW two more alternates are in the works.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/pakistan/India-inks-framework-pact-for-TAPI-gas-pipeline/Article1-602577.aspx
However given the uncertainties of these regions, an alternate is also being worked out.
India, Oman mull sub-sea pipeline to pump Turkmen and Iranian gas
http://en.rian.ru/world/20100920/160655519.html
Though personally I would still like that any pipeline should bypass Pakistan.
Social indicators:
As I have said repeatedly, India is a country under change and growing. What Pakistan and India are is plain in the social indicators available on the World Bank Site country profile.
We have a goal to develop and grow rapidly. Inequality of income is a pattern of rapidly developing economies. Its rate and spread are cyclical and as we grow these issues will be addressed through additional resources generated..
Going by your understanding of developmental economics Pakistan’s future does not appear bright.
Common wealth games!
The games are two weeks away now.
Whatever the issues, shortcomings, delays and problems, it will happen and one does not have to wait long to see how it works out.
Although sometimes one does wonder why the most noise is being made by white nations.
Poverty of Statistics!
The Indian article refers to wrong parameters being taken in a welfare programme and CORRECTIVE steps being taken. Nothing, to compete with the outright fraud, manipulation and window -dressing of the Pakistan economy in the links I provided.
You guys have forged something as crucial as GDP growth numbers. To do that, obviously the entire facts and figure across all the sectors of the Pakistan economy would have to be doctored.
It makes very good headlines! Poor worse off in India than in the poorest 26 of sub-Saharan Africa!!!
BUT what people tend to ignore is that unlike sub-Saharan Africa, India MPI is MAINLY concentrated in 8(India has 28 states) states of the country and not all pervasive as in the poorest states of sub-Saharan Africa.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/More-poor-in-eight-states-than-26-African-nations/articleshow/6161293.cms
Unlike sub-Saharan economies, which have no capability on their own to grow, India is growing rapidly and expanding her economy and industry.
India has a GDP on Nominal/real terms or on PPP terms MORE THAN THE ENTIRE AFRICAN CONTINENT, what to talk of the poorest 26.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
India 1.23 trillion dollars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
Africa: 1.18 Trillion Dollars
In PPP terms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29
India: 3.52 trillion Dollars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29
Africa: 2.20 Trillion Dollars
It all so very catchy, India poorer than sub-Saharan Africa!!!!
But, no qualification is being made on the very real growth also taking place in India.
It bears repeating, NOTHING but rapid economic growth, of Industry and services will get pull out the Indians living in mass poverty.
It all very well to talk of sub-Saharan poor, BUT what hope do the poorest in the sub-Saharan region have apart from international aid to pull them out of mass poverty.
Regional and sectoral diversity is inevitable, but ULTIMATELY economic growth by itself is not the single tool to spread equity. But, it is rapid growth alone that will give us the resources and money for efforts by the govt. to spread such growth, resources to equalize and spread growth over time in backward areas of India.
India will not grow by handouts or in a problem free manner. But if we have to progress there is no option but to go on.
Would like to hear what alternates there are to the above and what Pakistan is doing? If it were up to you there must be a lot of wailing and crying going on!
Surely on how many times China is ahead of India!!
So how many times behind does it place Pakistan!
Faked encounters!!!!!
Wow, now I know what the level of thinking in Pakistan is!!!
I give you link upon link of extra-judicial killing, reprisal killings, disappearances, and torture at the hands of the Pak forces!!!
And you come up with the inanity that I did not give a pak link on fake encounters!!!
OH I get it, these are normal operating procedures of your forces!!!! So obviously, just like handing over bits of Pakistan controlled territory to other nations, you find nothing wrong in it!!!
Gujarat:
Classic case!
First the charge that the Indian state does nothing to apprehend the accused in the Gujarat riots!
And when links are provided that such action has not only been taken, but convictions handed out, then comes the platitude that this was eyewash.
Look, in Pakistan the Supreme Court is handled like a tool and judges appointed kicked out at the fancy of the ruling class, the politician or the army generals.
Also that court cases are a joke in Pakistan with the govt. promptly granting amnesty to those convicted or passing ineffective orders such as the National Reconciliation Ordinance.
But I had, falsely it turns out, assumed that you not only read BUT ALSO could actually comprehend the links provided.
Since you require bottle-feeding, let me oblige!!!!!
The entire discussion on Gujarat was about how democracy provides safe guards.
The Gujarat Govt. after the riots did try to suppress the cases, by dropping them on various cases on various procedural grounds.
HERE IS WHERE THE CENTRAL SUPREME COURT stepped in.
‘’New Delhi, August 17: The Supreme Court on Tuesday asked the government of Gujarat to reopen about 2,000 cases related to the deadly riots, which were closed by police on grounds the suspects could not be found.’’
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=35126
As I have said earlier, r- e -a -d slowly, repeat the words, try to understand, consult a dictionary and try to make sense of the words in the context of the article and the issue under discussion.
Being used to what is happening in Pakistan ,I know it is hard for you to understand that there can actually be independent courts and judiciary.
Nuclear Industry:
Ahh another golden GEM from you!!!
The level of accidents has NOTHING to do with the safety standards!!!!
HAHAHAHHHHA
I hope then they remain what they are!!
Not for us the high standards of Chernobyl or Three Mile Island or the large scale leaks of Japan!!!!!!
We are happy with our small incidents!
Hoo Boy where do you pull such things out off! Your supply of idiotic comments seems unlimited!!
And on the other point on the liability clauses, watch out kid, you are running around in a circle so hard that you are liable to bite your own tail!!!
Kashmir!!!
Just when I thought, I had seen it all, and then this guy comes with another!!
This a WTF of the highest order. The Pakistani Foreign Minister PRO-INDIAN.
Thanks, keep your jokers to yourself. Just because he is a joker and an idiot does not make him pro-Indian.
HILARIOUS, this guy gives a link of Pakistan condemning the violence on Kashmir. YAAR. IF Pakistan does not do it WHO ELSE WILL! Timbuktu or Burkina Faso!!!!!!
Kashmir, oh now we go the instrument of accession!!! Should not have Pak considered not sending raiders to Kashmir!!!! You harp and harp on Kashmir and here is what they think of you!!!
The hard-core fundamentalist Sunni types in the Srinagar and valley, we know hate us. BUT being indifferent to Pakistan!!
You clutch on to the few flags that your puppets wave here from time to time.
WHILE in the valley the same Kashmiri’s are rejecting them. For Pakistan , Kashmiri Azaadi means only one thing’,merger with Pakistan. That explains it desperation to somehow add a Pak ‘flavour’ to the protests.
‘The younger generation of Held Kashmir has tilt neither towards Pakistan nor India and considers that their independence will not harm Pakistan in any way. They do not want to remain under Indian slavery either, said Kashmiri leader Syed Ali Geelani while talking to Nawa-i-Waqt on Saturday.’
BUT what is this I do not get it!
‘Commenting upon Shah Mehmood Qureshi’s recent statements, Geelani said instead of upholding historical viewpoint over Kashmir, the indifference and flexibility of Pakistan had caused an irreparable loss to their movement of independence, and India had earned more relief in such circumstances.’
Is that why you are calling him pro-India!!!
But spare him a thought! What can he do!!
Does Pakistan have the means or capability to do anything given its current situation?
Pakistan has suffered so much at the hands of India in its fight on Kashmir, and then these guys coolly dump you!!!
Talk about poetic justice!!!
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/19-Sep-2010/Geelani-decries-Pak-indifference-to-Kashmir
That is why I am least bothered what flag is flown or not in so-called AJK.BTW it’s a totally restricted area so who knows whats really going on out there.
Maybe they too think on the lines of the Indian Kashmiri’s.!
And for your benefit, let me repeat as always (Why do I have to repeat this in every second post) there is a sentiment for azadi in some elements of the population in Srinagar and the valley .No need for ISI agents to do that. Then there are the puppets who even hoist the Pak flag, here and then, O.K. see that on our media all the time.
So !
There is equally a pro-India sentiment in the rest of J&K
Shout, throw stones, BUT that sentiment can neither be forced down the rest of J&K or India.
Plebiscite: The solution is simple, Get back the ceded lands of Kashmir from China, ask China to vacate Aksai chin, remove all settlers in Kashmir post 1948, withdraw Pak forces from J&K ,all terms of UN resolutions, and then we can start talking of Plebiscite.
Until then you may as well as bark at the moon on the issue of Plebiscite. Without these conditions being fulfilled legally speaking no plebiscite is possible.
I would like to be proved wrong on this point.
Ahh China and Japan again!!
Foreign companies coming in and cashing in on cheap labour in India!!!
You are questioning the entire basis of the Chinese model of being a low cost manufacturing base for the world!!!!!
EVERY manufacture has set up base in China, NOT because of the beautiful scenery or because of Chinese cuisine BUT DUE TO THE LOW COSTS in manufacturing that gives it incomparable advantage!!!
Even Indian companies are investing in China!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahindra_Tractors#Jiangling
Where do you continue to pull out these gems from!!!!
Pathetic to the depths!!!!!
Poor chap; he is bleeding desperation from the ears now!!!
What you said is the exact opposite!
‘While Indian economic growth was more fuelled by high domestic consumption and services, the Chinese model relied heavily on manufacturing and exports, said western and Chinese experts at a state TV debate, on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum being held in Beijing. Besides, India had comparative strategic advantage in the value chain whereas China relied mostly on the labour and cost advantages, Peking University’s political economy professor Fu Jun said. “India in comparison has done a better job”, Jun said.’
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_china-experts-praise-indian-growth-model_1438120
As I said kid, there’s a whole lot of world out there, its changing fast and regardless of the ohh so scaryyyy dwarves and giants around we grow.
And Indian Brands! There are several operating around the world:
http://www.tata.com/aboutus/index.aspx?sectid=pihbI04W7W0=
http://www.mahindra.com/OurGroup/Overview.html
Chinese copy of Bajaj Pulsar banned
http://www.rediff.com/money/2006/nov/22bajaj.htm
Of course that is no big deal! Every corner shop in Pakistan produces and exports more than these third rate Indian companies!!!!!But that is the way we have it! There are plenty, plenty more.
Partition!!
Umm whatever myths you have been fed in, does not controvert some facts, one that the minorities were reduced to a miniscule in Pakistan by forced eviction and second that almost as many Indian Muslims reside in India as in present day Pakistan. Every day of theirs in India, is a slap on Pakistan’s so called two nation theory. Communal violence is nothing to hide in India. We grapple with our issues in a multi-large ethnic society, as do other such nations. Yet, Pakistan has such issue with the smallest of minorities, so insecure that they do not get equal status against a 97% majority.
Karachi: September 20, 2010. (PCP) The militants burned Holy Bibles, Hymn Books, Holy Crosses and Altar of Nasri Pentecostal Church in Shah Latif Town in District East of Karachi on night of September 18, 2010.
‘To desecrate Holy Bibles and attack on Churches is happened many times in Pakistan but culprits are never brought to justice by administration in Muslim dominated Islamic Republic of Pakistan.’
http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/headlinenewsd.php?hnewsid=2298WE have our issues, but we do punish too:
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/bjp-mla-convicted-in-kandhamal-riot-case-50864
Bangladesh!
India had to prove nothing! India was formed as a secular, democratic republic that it remains to THIS day. It was Pakistan’s cardinal principle of nationhood, the two nations – theory that failed in 1971.
China and IPI :When the Chinese can be gifted land controlled by Pakistan, what is a mere pipeline!!! Why bring in Georgia or Kazakhstan, they are far more stable and independent countries than Pakistan! The way things are going for Pakistan, out your statement may turn out to be not entirely untrue!
Maoists! Yahh all the power to them!!!
When was that ambush!! They should have swept everybody out by now!!! As I have already said, one ambush or two, kill, kidnap policemen, villagers! Then what????
The Naxals too wish they were actually as powerful as you make them out to be.But, as I have said earlier, the remoteness and isolation of the Naxals in their jungles is their greatest strength BUT at the same their greatest weakness.Keep them bottled up in there and they have little influence on the very large India outside.No naxals have been able to derail any State or national level elections NOR have they been able to adversely affect the overall Indian economic growth.
Meanwhile the Govt. of India is taking fresh steps for the welfare of Tribals.
India blocks Vedanta mine on Dongria-Kondh tribe’s sacred hill.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/aug/24/vedanta-mining-industry-india
Land Rights:
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/a-million-tribals-have-got-land-rights-tribal-affairs-minister-interview_100427257.html
Govt considers 26% equity for tribals in mines
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Govt-considers-26-equity-for-tribals-in-mines/articleshow/6202980.cms
Human rights!!!! We have our issues, dealing with them and confronting them.. One does not even know what’s really going on inside china. Their treatment of Tibet or Uighur Xingjiang areas is well known. China brooks no dissent. Tibet and Xinjiang are deliberately flooded with Han Chinese and any dissent is ruthlessly crushed.
And here is how we act; no wonder people call us a soft state at times.SAR Geelani ,is the most extreme of Kashmir separatist. He is suffering from cancer and in 2007 wanted to go the US for treatment!!!(Why do the ones with the biggest voices for Islam still want to go to the US) for cancer treatment. AT the personal intervention of the PM of India he was given a one year passport to go to the US. The USA declined visas due to his extreme views. Then he was given treatment at Indian best cancer hospital, Tata Memorial, Mumbai
http://www.expressindia.com/news/messages.php?newsid=83862
http://www.rediff.com/cms/print.jsp?docpath=//news/2003/feb/12mum.htm
All at the expense of the very Indian state he decries and because of which he lives to this day.
Why did he not ask to go to Pakistan for treatment?
Would Dalai Lama have got such treatment in China or Israel or in many other countries. Many OIC member refuse to accept the popular will of their own people. Take the Algerian Case, in 1991 the Islamic parties were winning the elections, and just on this apprehension that elections were cancelled by the ruling govt. and Army.150,000-200,000 are estimated to have died in the civil war that followed. Take cases of Egypt, Libya,Syria,Nigeria, Somalia,Sudan and many others where any-seditious talk is almost a death sentence. Take Turkey, it jailed a Kurdish MP for 15 years!! Just on the fact that she mentioned the rights of Kurds in a speech
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyla_Zana
The Kurds have absolutely no rights in Turkey, their language is suppressed, Kurdish Children CANNOT be GIVEN Kurdish names!!!! Kurds have been bombed, shelled and massacred by the Turks in the thousands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Turkey#Human_rights
There are many such example in OIC countries. Any one raising their voice against the govt in these places simply disappears, what to talk of getting expensive cancer treatment at 5 star rated hospitals.
You have no idea what is being talked about. When there is no measurement of Human rights in HDI, what are you blabbing about! Talking through your hat on a perceived equality between HDI and Human rights does not change anything!
On joining forces with China:
Nothing scares a Pakistani more than the fear of China having some sort of agreements /relations with India!! Really knocks the wind out of him!! ! Don’t worry Boyo, we are not going to take your lover away from you!!
Poor chap, cannot even read and understand the links I gave on crucial role played by the India, China in climate negotiations! Going by your abysmal level of comprehension and understanding I would suggest read them carefully again! And let me also explain!
There are 192 member states in the UN, but the numbers that actually matter are quite few. Similarly Angola and Guatemala or Bahamas or Vanuatu or Lichtenstein have a stake in climate change. But the just like in the UN the countries that matters are few.
‘Hard bargaining by countries such as China, India, and Brazil in the run-up to that decision translated into receiving a 47 percent share of the voting rights in the body.’
Err, that does not include Angola nor Guatemala or Pakistan! Well unless Pakistan considers that whatever benefits are garnered by China are for it also!!!!!!
And read this cautionary para too! The key question now is whether Copenhagen 5 becomes the nucleus for future climate negotiations.” India always has a little bit of a problem playing second fiddle to China, and Brazil and South Africa have separate interests as well,” Ladislaw says.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2010/0115/Did-Copenhagen-talks-open-door-to-a-new-global-order
Ultimately do realize that when it comes to national self interest every country is on its own. No matter how hard Pakistan hangs on to the coat tails of China, the interests of China and others will always supersede that of Pakistan.
As the eternal defeatist, I expect nothing more from you. For the rest there are goals and targets to be strived for and achieved.
You sit down and wail!
Zardari! Good, Morajee Desai is not around, Zardari would have stolen the urine and substituted it with water! After all Zardari loves anything that is wanted!
Your take on the Indians Foreign Secy. statement on opposition to sanctions, is ignorance personified of how diplomatic statements and policy are announced.
Can’t blame you, Pakistan in its wars or foreign policy cannot formulate strategy beyond it nose!
Individual sanctions on Iran are being imposed/planned NOT just by the US, but by other western allies of the US, such as UK, other European Union countries, Australia and the other usual US allies. By ONE statement India has made its opposition known for such sanctions BY ANY country whether imposed or planned to be imposed on an individual basis in future.
I leave diplomacy to professionals.
Professional idiocy off course is your domain!
US Aid to Pakistan!!
http://www.parade.com/news/intelligence-report/archive/who-gets-us-foreign-aid.html
Pakistan : no 3
Why do you think Pakistan hands over bases to the USA and hands over its territory to it? And quietly and meekly accepts drones in its territory, killing its own citizens!
Voting and UN : Since when did the US govt care of what Pakistan votes in the UN. They have you in their pocket and you will do whatever pleases them!Thank them at least they let you maintain some facade of Independence to please pak citizens !
Shia –Sunni problems:As I have said earlier how can sectarian hate and extremism in Pakistan NOT find a resonance in the Sunni- dominated extremist /terrorist/separatist set up of Kashmir valley. Thanks to you guys, whatever pro-pak sympathy existing has also been systematically whittled away to a token presence.
‘Except for the symbolic representation in the secessionist Hurriyat Conference, the Shia community has mostly kept itself at a distance from the secessionist movement. There are mainly two prominent Shia names in the secessionist movement.They include Anjuman Sharie Shiyan president Aga Syed Hassan Al-Moosvi Al-Sufvi and Maulvi Abbas Ansari.But by and large the Shia community has remained neutral. Not many Shia youth joined the militancy either. The two communities have a history of hostility. Particularly after the rise of the secessionist militancy that continues to be dominated by the Wahabi ideology, the sense of suspicion among the Shias increased. Besides, they have faced the brunt on several occasions and mostly during the annual Moharram processions. ‘
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080124/j&k.htm#12
A Pakistani link for you:
‘The revival of sectarian based politics in Pakistan during mid eighties and dramatic resurgence of anti-Shia forces there reinforced the fears of the community. The fears actually worsened after the outbreak of the armed uprising in Kashmir in the late eighties with some militant groups, actively supported by the Pakistani state and perceived by the community to be influenced by anti-Shia hate propaganda that was tearing Pakistan of their dreams apart, at the fore front. This perhaps can explain the reluctance of the community to actively throw in their lot with the separatist movement. This was unlike in the past when the community was in the vanguard of the pro-Pakistan movement in Kashmir. It was because of this fear that during the past two decades Kashmir, particularly Srinagar, saw emergence of Shia enclaves, now increasingly taking the shape of ghettos. ‘
http://criticalppp.com/archives/18562
Israel and India!
Wow, a Pakistani’s new found love for Israel!
Has every little thing to be repeated and explained to you!Have I not told you that there is NO DEPLOYMENT of the Israeli Army or Forces in Palestinian territories. The Israeli Forces and Palestinian are RARELY EVER AT CLOSE PROXIMITY. The Israelis surround the Palestinian from all sides and are deployed in force on the Palestinian borders. Entry/exit into Palestinian areas whether by land or air or sea is tightly controlled. Incursions into Palestine are short and with extreme force or simply from the air. Still!
Israeli Guards Rape Palestinian Women
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-05/20/article03.shtml
Only the Pakistani sense of proportion will seek to compare a country with an area of 22.000 sq kms and a population of 7 Million to that of India!
On who is to blame for Kashmiri casualties!
The fact is, no matter how cold an assessment; it is the separatist who have cynically put forward the most vulnerable in the forefront and tried to exploit the situation.
Fortunately, a rare glimpse of some sense was seen..
‘Hurriyat leader Geelani withdraws protest against Army’
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/hurriyat-leader-geelani-withdraws-protest-against-army-53095
It has been made very clear that there is no question of Azaadi . Anything below that is up for discussion. Stone throwing and provocation will result in nothing but in more people dying. If Azadi in Srinagar and the valley is indeed the only demand, then the fight will simply go on till one side loses.
Defence Day:
No we certainly do not have a defence day, specially the kind that Pakistan claims to have. We have other days:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijay_Diwas_%28India%29
Indian Navy Day:
To commemorate OP Trident, attack on Karachi port.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trident_%28Indo-Pakistani_War%29
Kargil Diwas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_vijay_diwas
Indian Army Infantry Day:
http://frontierindia.net/india-celebrated-infantry-day-the-day-india-saved-kashmir
Oh hell ,why does everything has to be explained to this guy!
Crutch: Meaning, Prop or Support.
India BUYS weapons on full commercial terms from Russia and Israel, it does not get it as aid or gifts from them or on loan. Neither Russia nor Israel are aid givers to India nor do any of them fly drones over India nor do any of them have bases in India nor has India given them any part of India as tribute.
This is what is called a crutch.
‘Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani on Monday thanked the Chinese government and praised China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO), China National Electronic Import and Export Corporation (CEIEC) for extending credit facilities to the Pakistani armed forces for purchase of equipment.’
If Pakistan was not offered credit by Chinese, it would not be able to get weapons at all!
http://tribune.com.pk/story/15959/pakistan-thanks-china-for-credit-facilities/
I need not even go into the kind of freebies and gifts the US gives and how much Pakistan relies upon and gives to the US.
And oh yes space!!!
Ummm no answers on the Algeria and Turkish satellite launches BY India!
OKKK ! Baby food time again for baby here!
After the failure of the GSLV –D3 , we launched 5 satellites, including that of Algeria , in one launch.
It may interest you that that this single launch places more satellites than Pakistan has ever had till date!
Unless off course, the Darra local or the Lahore special have done some launches that the space community is not aware of.
http://www.isro.org/scripts/milestones.aspx
And hey, the next GSAT 5P launch is due in October.
Pakistan not investing in space tech:
Pakistanis off course are unaware of advances in Space tech , India (a lot of the world) uses it for finding of minerals, TV broadcasting , agriculture, town planning, taking education to rural areas through educational satellite TV, taking cheap phone communication to far of rural areas, help fishermen in catching more fish, render accurate weather and rain prediction for farmers, specialist doctors use video conferencing to allow rural patients to consult them in big cities and so many other application.
As a bonus, we also earn millions of dollars in space business and save millions of dollars for these services which otherwise would go to foreigners.
We use it to Spy on neighbouring nasties and our forces use it for communications.
Off course, one needs a certain level of, well…. education, literacy and modernity to understand the relevance of such things.
Pakistan with its closed Islamic society and madrassa based education sytems may not understand or feel the requirement of such extravagances.
I understand,cool!
Dhruv helicopter .
Missing the point is talent for this guy!!!
The issue is a nation, the US in this case; even with decades and decades of helicopter manufacture faces developmental challenges. The Dhruv was India first effort. 120+ numbers fly with the IAF, Indian Army and 9 other countries. On Indian Navy rejecting them, the Indian Navy has 8 Dhruv in the Dhruvs dedicated utility role. HAL had an Anti-Submarine version, but the navy correctly stated the ALH was too light for such a role. Carrying heavy sonar equipment the ALH was not the best helo for it. IN went in for the heavier Seakings and Kamovs.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/indian-navy-to-buy-37-anti-submarine-helicopters_10075503.html
Poor Turkey, how will a fellow brotherly Muslim country feel at your kind words on Dhruv customers . Did you not read that Turkey has also brought the Dhruv.
http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/galeridetay.aspx?cid=17561&p=1&rid=2
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india-bags-20-mn-helicopter-contract/346844/
Most of these nations had offers from the big guys, Sikorsky, Bell, Mi of Russia,the French, Europeans. Not bad deal for our first effort.
And the important thing is it gave us valuable experience!
The follow on was the Light Combat Helicopter.
Initiated in 2006 and prototype flying by 2010.See it fly!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxASWK4eyuQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Light_Combat_Helicopter
Like a kid wanting a particular toy, jumping I want that, I want that only, NO matter what other toy is shown to him, you can continue to jump up and down , down and up crying, Dhruv is bad Helicopter, a third rate helicopter,bad helicopter no matter what else is shown to you!!!
Your ill –informed crack on Russian weapons is another comforting myth that Pakistan loves to bandy about. Hey, apart from myths do you actually have some concrete plans against us!!
Or do you simply, like your generals in 1965 hope that the IAF will crash, the navy sink and the Indian army will run away.
Remember OP trident I have referred above, there was a follow up op Python too.
In 1971 the Indian Navy caused Havoc in Karachi harbour using Russian OSA class Missile Boats and used the Russian Styx missiles to carry out one of the most devastating and effective attacks on a navy Post WW2.Along with a combined IAF assault in op Python, these attacks caused extremely heavy casualties in men and ships.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE4-4/harry.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trident_%28Indo-Pakistani_War%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Python#cite_note-book-4
And what does Pakistan uses for it Naval Day celebrations!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dwarka
Well bombing a few temples, a cement factory, and an empty port! NO INDIAN SHIP damaged or any casualties.
Pakistan myth making at its best!!!
BTW two of the Pakistani ships that took part in the Dwarka attack the Pakistani naval ship. PNS KHAIBAR, was sunk and PNS SHAHJAHAN was put out of action in the 1971 attack, amongst the several others sunk that day.
Why do you like to bring up such issues by half-brained comments of yours, whether India has attacked anyone or has it caused any damage to anyone or whether India has kicked back or not?
Hundreds upon hundreds of Pakistani naval men and Dock workers lost their lives and many more injured in these two attacks alone.
I had clearly laid out to you the context and response of India into Pakistan. Your own air-chief, commander of your air-force in 1965 is saying the same thing. And you love sticking to the ‘effeminate’ running away of the Indian Army being chased out by civilians in 1965. Such quaint myth making, especially exaggerated hundred fold, has damaged Pakistan no end.
Your entire take on 1965 was exposed to have as much substance as a punctured balloon!So you are back to Itty bitty selections from a conflict!!!
Yaaahhh, Indian jets stopped from strafing a train, Hooray the war is won!!!! Tanks blown up by suicide bombers!! Arre yyar it’s a conflict that Pakistan started, so what do you expect!!! There will be no skirmishes!!
Hey, no explanation on why your own Chaps call the 1965 war a disaster and a foolish war!!! Did we INVENT that too!!!
Fake , Fake!!! Our hold on the LOC and Kashmir must be fake too!!
So why fool around, walk over and liberate your dear valley from the ‘tashadud’!
Kargil war:
Well well, burial of a Pakistani soldier is no issue? OK. You guys have pretty strange ways !But, abandoning him?
The thing, as usual, is Pakistan went in for a foolish ill-planned war. Somebody in the Pak army wanted to act too clever by half and decided that it was Kashmiri ‘freedom fighter’ that were to be made responsible for the incursion! Pakistan got caught in its own web.
The utmost foolishness of Pakistan Army was revealed in all its glory again. The brilliant plan was, lets occupy Kargil when empty, the Indian will do nothing and then we will negotiate for a Siachen withdrawal and Kashmir solution!
Here is what a Pakistani has to say about it.
‘Kargil was a war which we ourselves had created and in which thousands of soldiers belonging to Gilgit-Baltistan were killed. Today even after the passage of a whole decade, there is no chance in sight of knowing the fact that why the war started in the first place. It is imperative to find out the truth behind the war because not only thousands of our troops lost their lives but also the war tarnished the image of Pakistan in the world. ‘
‘But, alas, in return after their merciless killing, we even refused to own them.’‘The war at last was halted with the interference of another country but even after the passage of ten years the relatives the martyred NLI personnel are looking for the bodies of their near and dear ones. It is unfortunate and it still saddens the whole region that the bodies of the NLI personnel were even not picked up from where they were mercilessly killed. The NLI personnel who returned alive from the Kargil war have revealed that they had seen many dead bodies with grass and other items in their mouths because ration supply had also been stopped to them after they were sent into the enemy territory disguised as mujahideen. Many of the brave NLI personnel were reported to have died of hunger. Had these soldiers even been provided with proper ration, the result of the war would have been completely different today.’
http://www.makepakistanbetter.com/why_how_what_forum.asp?ToLoad=Yes&GroupID=5&ArticleID=5710
I have never seen or heard of such a nation as Pakistan that initiates war on such idiotic and foolish tactics.
The NLI men were left abandoned in life and in death. Hundreds died due to Indian shelling, hunger and subsequently killed in fighting when the IA took back the occupied positions.
Are you aware that the Pakistan army has NEVER released an official casualty list of the Kargil war?
As usual what you got from your army was lies, deceit and more mythmaking.
Blast in Pakistan Project area:
What are you trying to say? I don’t get it?The issue of Shia Majority area or Sunni majority area is irrelevant.Outfits like Sipahe-Sahaba now Ahlesunnat Wal Jamat( Jamiat Ulamae-Islam, Tehreek Tahaffuze-Khatme Nabuwwat, Lashka-e –Jhangvi have been operating in Pak for years. Ever since the days of Zia ul haq such incidents have become too common.
The fact is that Shia mosques, leaders, processions, property etc are regularly targeted in Pakistan. Just a few weeks back hundreds died in such attacks in Karachi and Lahore in such attacks.
Unmarked Graves:‘A police officer who spoke on condition of anonymity said most of the bodies were likely those of Pakistan militants killed in fighting with Indian forces. ‘These militants are always buried as unidentified,’ he said.’
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/18-mass-graves-found-in-indian-kashmir-am-04
No bones are made about the fact that infiltrators and external militants, from Pakistan, Pok and others with jehadi fantasies of ‘shahadat’ are whole heartedly assisted in attaining their avowed gaol of ‘shahadat’.
Nobody claims them .So what is the govt supposed to do with them.
Sexual Misconduct!! ooooohhhhhh
What happened after that, read the inquiry report!
Charges of sexual misconduct against Lt Gen Nanda false
http://news.indiainfo.com/c-82-986312-1413867.html
At least we hold enquiries!In Pakistan Army the Chief Himself personally clears rapists!!
An unusual development occurred, when the then Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf entered the controversy, stating on national television, that the accused officer, named as Captain Hammad, was “not guilty”, which led to criticism of Musharraf, a military man himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shazia_Khalid
BTW sexual molestation is one of the most widespread of Problems.One of the biggest one’s ever was in the US forces:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailhook_scandal
1971 war!
Refugees crisis and war!!!I do remember, citing the refugees being returned to Bangladesh and being a burden in the context of discussions on, why Bangladesh did not merge with India. Were they the singular cause of war, doubtful, but it did precipitate matters.There is no doubt that the Bangladesh war was planned. You think the generosity extended by Pakistan in 1965 was not to be reciprocated.
Action on the Loc:
Umm , now the big lesson inflicted by the Pak army turns out to be something else!!!Pakistanis are something!!!! I wonder where you get the idea of a casualty free war!! Poor chap, all he can mange is that Pakistan army too inflict casualties! No goals no achievements !!! NO wonder Pakistan has any idea what they are fighting for!!!
Ever wondered why Musharaff gave all the concessions on Kashmir,the Kashmir Bus to Muzaffarabad ,Border trade,cease fire were all done at his time!!! And what did he get on Kashmir for Pakistan!!
What happened, you could not overcome the fake Indian army soldiers on the border that you gave up on Kashmir!!!
What do we have to subdue Pakistan for!!
It has gained nothing on Kashmir! Nothing on the water dispute or on Siachen or in Kargil ! Its economy is down, the drain! It has a govt run either by thief’s or jokers and comedians or those simply not seen. And an army whose sole job is to please the USA and China!
So all you do is take solace with some stone throwers in down town Srinagar!!
Poor chap,have it yaar, live your fantasy for some more time!
How does Mush Come in in Taliban!!
No wonder you are lost!!
Forgot your own history,9/11, the first Pakistan supported and recognised Taliban! Sheltering Al –Qaeda Osama /Bin Laden!
Under US pressure President Musharraf simply changed tack and agreed to all American demands and dumped the Taliban like the proverbial hot potato!(on face of it at least)
Pakistan does not hand over Taliban:You guys are really a pitiable lot!! Always trying to peddle dramas allowed by the US!!See how the drama is played over time!
Pakistan allows US to question Taliban leader Baradar Your Pak army is lost without the billions from the US and shiny toys handed down in the name of war on terror!!.At least give the US some credit to give you a fig leaf to cover yourselves up before the aam Pakistani !
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8637780.stm
Comment of Geelani!
Hope you have seen his latest comment that I posted!!
BTW he better leave out the Jammu and a lot of Kashmir apart from his pet burrough in Down town srinagar and some Parts of the valley!
And here are the Kashmir ‘s, having special status, having their own government, free to travel, free to vist anyone anywhere, free to raise flags of Pakistan, free to make speeches ,say whatever at juma Khutba, deride other religions ,make Friday a compulsory holiday, enforce Hijab. And what is their issue, they are Muslims thus they are separate and they cannot co-exist in a society where they have to submit to non-muslims!Had Kashmir been in any OIC nation, a Turkey, an Iran , an Iraq, then would they known what being a minority truly is. Imagine a Tibetan raising a Tibetan Flag anywhere in China; he would be shot the next instant.
Sorry, Gandhi is long dead, you throw stones or fire at security men, do not expect a polite smile back. Ask for Azadi simply because we follow Islam. Not happening. Ask for Azadi on UN resolution. First get Back Aksai -Chin and territory ceded to China by Pakistan for returning the state to its 1948 status, identify original residents in 1948, send any outsiders out and get Pak forces to withdraw from POK in terms of the UN resolution.
Otherwise, talk to the Indian government within the constitution of India for a solution.
If still not agreeable, hunker down for the fight to the bitter end.
U ARE TOO GOOD MAN.KUDDOOS TO YOU AND UR RESEARCH..
@ hindustani pride,
The only difference between Brahmin Boy here and you is that he spends more time on the internet. You’re both about as ignorant as each other. So take comfort!
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this document is absolutely absurd/.,
kashmir belongs to india and indian/.,
@ vdfg,
Sure – tell that to the hundreds and thousands of Kashmiris who celebrate Independence Day on 14th August, and who mark 15th August as a day of mourning.
A
@ rajk
Good to see you’ve finally learnt that posting twice doesn’t really improve your arguments – I’m glad I had a hand in assisting a Hindustani with his ’size’ complex!
Hmm…now who described the IP pipeline as a ‘prestige issue’ for Pakistan? It’s much more simple than that…it’s a means of acquiring desperately needed energy for a growing consumer class. From your rants, it seems that the whole project has more significance to Hindustan though – but when a country (especially a makshift one like yours) formulates its energy policy on the politics of irrational hatred and blind insecurity, it’s little wonder that simple energy deals become tangled in a web of fear and hysteria. For all your time-wasting words, you still can’t swallow the harsh simplicity that the IPI pipeline would have answered many of Hindustan’s crippling energy issues, but when a small coterie of self-absorbed Brahmins governs your country’s fate, you can expect very few decisions based on simple logic. As I’ve said to you before…good luck finding a way around that! LOL, yeah, you get cracking with that underwater transportation system – you can’t put up a footbridge properly, but let’s see how those underwater pipelines work out for you!
You say Hindustan ‘is a country under change and growing’. Well, I’ll be generous and give you two out of three on that. Unfortunately there’s little evidence that it’s anything resembling a country, but yes it is under change, and yes it is growing. Most countries are growing, but let’s leave that for now, since you might not be ready to accept such a shocking thought. It is definitely ‘under change’ as well…a greater ratio of Hindustanis are listed as below the poverty line, a greater number are listed as malnourished, a greater number are listed as living in abject squalor. By your retarded logic, if I had sent you links about poverty improving in Hindustan, you would have seen it as a major national problem! What does that say about your grasp of ‘development economics’…? It seems that whenever you venture away from your pet topic of ‘Grand Slam’, you find yourself in a sea of ignorance…serves you right for trying to debate multiple issues armed with just one ‘Defence Journal’ link!
A few lines on the Commonwealth Games…let’s be honest, ‘Steve’, you have posted some funny stuff in the past. I remember laughing at the Vijinder or Vikinder or Bupinder, or whoever your award-winning boxer was…I remember laughing at your UN stats on life expectancy, which you had failed to examine properly before posting…even now, I have to laugh at your toddler-level knowledge of Sunnis and Shias – but seriously, the level of humour that has been generated around the Commonwealth Games is off the chart. There are honestly too many links for me to choose from! I’m still trying to pick my favourite one to show you how awesome your ’superpower’ status is…
CGames: Complaints due to Western hygiene demands: Delhi
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/cgames-complaints-due-to-western-hygiene-demands-delhi-2087248.html
Your official spokesman has gone on record saying that Hindustanis are naturally dirtier than the rest of the world! LOL! And this is part of the team that is trying to PROMOTE Hindustan?! How could any of your ‘country’s’ enemies really have done much worse?
Commonwealth Games Roof Collapses and Faeces and Urine in Rooms
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-494678
LOL…I thought I was the one with the fetish for scat, ‘man’! Was that meant to be a welcoming gift for the arriving atheletes?! Too funny! This is the country that is set to take over the world?! Yeah, I can completely understand your frustration – why should ‘white’ nations be making a fuss? What’s wrong with a little dog crap in the kitchen sink, eh? What’s everyone complaining about?! LOL!
I think your Olympic committee must have gone to the same school as your politicians…’Denial High’ – free entry! Have you not yet learnt that there is NO crime in the world about which Hindustan can preach which isn’t practised on a daily basis on its own faeces-infested towns and cities? With your abysmal source data, you try to moralise to a Pakistani about window-dressing the economy – why not learn a little more about the ‘Shining India’ project that was coined by your BJP:
Shining Delusions
http://www.countercurrents.org/ie-bidwai220304.htm
But when a country takes pride in presenting flea-infested accommodation to visitors, why should it have a problem creating false perceptions of economic success?
The further you go into the land of economics, the more you come across as an illiterate toddler. Apparently Hindustan and Sub-Saharan Africa are different entities because Hindustan ranks higher on the PPP index. Once again, with your ’shining’ Brahmin mentality you have completely disregarded the hundreds and millions of dirt-poor, starving Hindustanis who basically make up your ‘country’ . Had you given them some thought, you would have taken a closer look at the PPP index PER CAPITA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
DRC, Swaziland, Angola, South Africa….no shortage of Sub-Saharan countries ranking higher than Hindustan. Pakistan, only four places lower, doesn’t have even a fraction of the kind of poverty issues that you do. But I forgot…rampant poverty and huge energy crises are signs of superpower status, aren’t they?! If those are the kinds of things that your kind see as successes, you must be really proud of your Commonwealth Games – they are the wonder of the world!
I could tell you a bit about poverty alleviation programs in Pakistan, and the grassroots social welfare projects that are lifting people out of the poverty cycle…but why would I insult Pakistan by comparing her to a ‘country’ where over 40% of the population lives in less than $1.25 a day? There are very few people in the world who have to try to justify themselves to a Hindustani when the subject of poor living standards and squalid poverty come up.
Your poor reply to the allegation of ‘faked encounters’ actually proves (once again) that you know nothing about the level of thinking in Pakistan. When you try to bludgeon me with nonsensical links, just because you don’t have an adequate counter-argument, you just end up looking like an idiot. I highlighted the Hindustani ‘army’ tradition of faking encounters to award themselves medals, and in reply you send me an obscure link from a random Baluchi blog. Surely even a schoolboy like you can see that the two things are unrelated. Right? You’re lucky I’m a patient man…once again, kindly send me a SINGLE report of Pakistani soldiers ROUTINELY faking encounters to award themselves medals. Be a good boy and stick to the subject matter this time.
‘Gujarat: Classic case!’ What the hell does that mean? Can you not even read basic english? Can you not see that in every single link you send me with such self-righteous stupidity, there is more evidence of injustice than there is of actual justice? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?
Again, this is from YOUR OWN link:
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=35126
“The court this month transferred a controversial case — that of a pregnant Muslim woman who was gang raped as she tried to flee a Hindu mob — outside the state following pleas that a fair trial was impossible in Gujarat.”
You have the nerve to take a crime and bestial as this and to compare it to the justice system in Pakistan…how many similar cases have slipped through the net due to the criminal negligence and incompetence of your judiciary and media outlets? Even this report is shoddy and ill-informed, since it was proven that the fire was not started by ‘a Muslim mob.’ contrary to what is being claimed. How can I even insult Pakistan’s Supreme Court by making a comparison, when Pakistan has never even had to deal with a pogrom of this kind of magnitude? Again, you’d do well to avoid posting links like this, because everything about Gujarat simply serves to remind the world how backwards, bigoted and violent your ‘country’ actually is.
The most perplexing thing is, you somehow see this as a victory for your democracy. Commonwealth Games mentality…it would be funny if in this case it wasn’t so disturbing.
I’m glad you managed to find your incompetence in nuclear safety standards so funny. Try sharing the joke with the families of the 15,000-odd insignificant Hindustanis who were killed after the Bhopal disaster. It’s not hard for armchair commentators like you to feign laughter over the internet, but the only other people whom I can imagine actually laughing are the Union Carbide senior management, who treated the whole affair with disdain and indifference to the very end. Oh no wait, I forgot – didn’t some old white dude have to spend around three hours in prison for the deaths of those 15,000? And you’re sitting there trying to make wity comments about Chernobyl. Idiot.
Our Foreign Minister is a joker and an fool, and that’s EXACTLY what makes him pro-Hindustani. In Pakistan, it’s always the intellectually-challenged who somehow seem to think that they can get away with pro-Hindustan leanings…Qureshi is a classic example of that. If he were to take some time out to read the links you post in defence of Hindustan, the links which usually do more harm than good to your silly arguments, then he would probably have a change of heart as well! You may be too simple to see the connection between a sell-out administration and a sudden pro-Hindustan bias within Islamabad, but mercifully most Pakistanis are considerably brighter than you. When a weak, incompetent foreign minister still has the gumption to slap you down for your monstrous behaviour in Kashmir, you can be sure that the statement is made with good reason. But anybody with half a brain would have worked that out from the consecutive months of brutal oppression taking place in Kashmir…that’s clearly asking a little too much of you though.
Your Brahmin-sponsored historical account of Kashmir is already showing cracks. Even in your own source material, it has been confirmed that the ‘raiders’ from Pakistan were only supporting the INDIGENOUS uprising that had taken place. The key problem here is that you’re trying to judge the Pakistan Army by your own Hindustani standards…illegal occupation and repression of civilians is in the blood of your ’soldiers’, but they are unique in that way – don’t be so ridiculous as to compare that to a natural uprising against the Maharaja.
So apparently the protesters are all ‘hard-core fundamentalist Sunni types’.
Boy, 9, killed in Kashmir protests
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/boy-9-killed-in-kashmir-protests-14928987.html
Yes, this kid must have been a real threat to your national security.
Boy, 11, shot dead by police in Kashmir rioting
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/30/boy-shot-dead-kashmir-riots
Here’s another ‘hard-core Sunni’. To be frank, if the ’soldiers’ committing these acts have the same mentality as you, then they should be strung up and burned alive. Oh wait, I forgot – torture and cold-blooded murder are specialities reserved for pregnant Muslim women in Gujarat, aren’t they? Now apparently the flags in Srinagar are being waved by ‘puppets’. And look at this, they’re waving the Chand Sitara because of Pakistan’s ‘desperation’! If this is all you can come up with, just ineffective, incoherent sentences, as a reply to my links about the persecution of Kashmiris, then you’re wasting my time. A nine-year-old boy, killed for being a ‘hardcore Sunni type’…this is the moronic, stereotypical, sheltered, ignorant Hindustani mindset that has made you so hated in Kashmir in the first place. But hey…if you want to type nonsense sentences to me and believe them instead of switching on the news and digesting some reality, then you go right ahead, boy.
Haha, here’s the story about a Hindustani boy who had a wet dream that the APHC ‘coolly dumped’ Pakistan…he searched and he searched on the internet until he found a single link in which Geelani showed a hint of frustration at Islamabad’s lacklustre approach, and he posted it up without any real idea of what he was trying to achieve. Unfortunately, he was on a Pakistani website, and most Pakistanis are well-versed in dealing with delusional Hindustanis – so it took less than a minute for the poor Hindustani to be given a cold dose of reality:
Accession with Pakistan: SAS Geelani reiterates 1st choice for Kashmir
http://www.dailymailpost.com/?p=265
This is the most powerful freedom fighter in IOK right now, and he commands the loyalty of the whole APHC. What the hell does Pakistan even have to do?! Just read your own link. By pumping bullets into crowds of unarmed Kashmiris, you have single-handedly fuelled the whole insurgency yourselves! Congratulations, we have finally found a successful indigenous project in Hindustan! LOL!
What’s this rubbish about Azad Kashmir being restricted? Do you just type the first words that come into your head? A bloody, desperate, 60-year insurgency has claimed tens of thousands of civilian lives at the hands of the Hindustani Rape Brigade in IOK, and you’re trying to offer a lecture on Azad Kashmir? Where do you even come up with this rubbish?
The thing about Hindustanis is that they are very, very slow learners – but they do learn. You see, you have gradually gone from claiming that all the flags being waved in Kashmir were simply ‘Islamic’ flags (LOL!) to finally swallowing the harsh truth that they are in fact our Chand Sitara. It has taken you some time, but as I said, us Pakistanis are a patient bunch when it comes to educating you guys!
Hindustan has shown, once again in common with Israel, that it is utterly incapable of grasping the responsibilities of UN membership. The plebiscite is a distant dream in Kashmir, not because of Pakistan, but simply because Hindustanis can’t be trusted. IOK is a textbook example of what happens when Hindustani troops are unleashed on a civilian population that cannot fight back – why would Pakistan remove troops from AJK and condemn Azad Kashmiris to the same fate? New Delhi does not have an ounce of sincerity in its stance on Kashmir; the plebiscite issue is a red herring, and Islamabad knows that all too well.
This inferiority complex you guys have regarding China and Japan is hilarious. Every single link you post has proven that both countries are soaring ahead of you, and whenever I point that out to you you have a seizure and start falling back on comparisons with Pakistan. That’s not the issue here boy, so I’m afraid you’re just going to have to face the music like an adult.
Regarding China’s production capability, either your call-centre english is once again struggling with the technical words, or you are simply too dim to acknowledge my point. Take a look at China’s DOMESTIC car manufacturing industry; it far outstrips Hindustan’s. The majority of your production comes from foreign companies making the most of cheap Hindustani labour to increase their profit margins. Think Union Carbide, 1984…making sense now?
I love how you’re using phrases like ‘poor chap’, trying to mimic my own words from my earlier posts. It’s another trait that I see in most Hindustanis, who normally, like you, end up sounding like some sort of colonial parody. It’s actually quite flattering. Partition saw the mass migration of Hindus and Sikhs to Hindustan, and Muslims to Pakistan. Over 14,000,000 people were involved in the movement altogether, and the numbers travelling in both directions were pretty much 50-50. It seriously doesn’t take a maths genius to realise that such numbers would have a more profoud effect on the religious composition of the country with the smaller population, which in this case is Pakistan. Honestly, this kind of information is so easily accessible off the internet, even a 5-year-old would be able to discover it – and yet unsurprisingly, it seems beyond your scope. Why are you again trying to regurgitate my own words? Do you honestly think that I, my family and my friends felt ‘a slap’ when we watched Gujarat burn to the ground? Do you think we feel ‘a slap’ when we read up on the communal hatred in Maharashtra, Kashmir and Orissa? Are we meant to feel a pang of envy when we read up on your relentless state-level religious prejudices? LOL, you’re trying to compare that to Hindustanis being reminded every day that their ‘Akhand Bharat’ wet dream lies in tatters?! If you put as much energy into your Commonwealth Games efforts as you did into making up these delightful fantasies, maybe you would have built a few more of those non-existent facilities!
I’m loving the links, boy…I can always rely on you. Let’s take a look at this BJP monkey who saw the harsh face of ’secular’ Hindustani justice(!):
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/bjp-mla-convicted-in-kandhamal-riot-case-50864
“In June this year, Pradhan was convicted by the fast-track court and was sentenced to seven years in jail for his role in a mob attack that led to the death of another Dalit Christian. However, eight days later, he was granted bail by the Orissa High Court.”
This is the consistency of your ’secular’ courts.
“Pradhan, who represents the communally sensitive constituency of G. Udaygiri, has so far been acquitted in seven of 14 riot-related cases filed against him.”
Even your landmark judicial ’successes’ are marred by inconsistency and contradiction. If your only reply is the same old ‘we are fast moving boss, we have a free press boss’ rubbish, then spare me the wasted energy, please.
Bangladesh, as it stands today, is yet another reminder of the huge failure of ’secular’ Hindustan. Had the whole of Pakistan been disolved and returned to the control of New Delhi in 1971, then perhaps you would finally have had a valid point. As it so happens, you don’t. To this day, Pakistan and Bangladesh stand as two Muslim-majority countries on either side of Hindustan – and there is NOTHING your sexually frustrated VHP or ‘army’ heroes can do to attack them. Sorry dude, looks like you’ll have to fabricate your victories elsewhere…
Behta, you don’t need to worry about the fates of Georgia or the Central Asian States – they are not in you backyard. You worry about washing dried urine off your Olympic buildings, leave Central Asian energy politics to us! LOL…as I said, you guys should get started on that super underwater energy route – the world is already so impressed by your immaculate standards!
The Maoist ambush was in April this year. That’s right – you’re saying that the decades-old insurgency is fading away, despite the fact that one of the most successful Maoist ambushes took place just a few months ago. It never hurts to read the news, little man – saves you from awkward moments like this. What’s all this drivel that you’ve put, trying to sound like some military theorist?! ‘Yes, keep them bottled up in the jungle…’ lol, you guys sound so farcical when you pretend to be in control of a situation that is clearly far beyond your capabilities. Did you get that line from some Bollywood film? Did Shah Rukh Khan make the same speech before jumping into the jungle and killing all the Naxalites himself? Companies such as Tata have postponed projects in that area, and your ’security’ forces are being picked off AT WILL – even your Prime Minister admits that it’s an issue of national security! And after his comments on Kashmir, we all know how much he prefers denial!
Congratulations on handing out a few rights to around 1,000,000 tribals by the way – that accounts for just over 1% of the tribal population, is that right? LOL…isn’t that more or less the same as the level of completion of Shiva-ji Stadium? No wonder you guys see it as a success!
You have many, many human rights issues, and you are neither dealing with them nor confronting them. In fact your media and government’s approach is largely an exercise in cowardice.
Why silence over Kashmir speaks volumes
http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=225138
“Blaming Pakistan or religious extremists, as the Economist pointed out last week, has “got much harder” for the Indian government, which, has “long denied the great extent to which Kashmiris want rid of India”.”
Again, the very idea of a heaving cesspool of hypocrisy such as Hindustan trying to point fingers elsewhere regarding human rights violations is sheer folly.
Here’s a perfect example of your Brahmin-schooled Bollywood mentality. Apparently Syed Ali Shah Geelani is one of ‘the biggest voices for Islam’…that’s right, he’s not protesting the regular violation of Kashmiri rights, he’s actually trying to spread the noble word! What a moron. Your defence of the war crimes of Kashmir now rests on the single fact that he received medical treatment in Bombay. What you unsurprisingly failed to pick up on was that his deteriorating health was in itself the responsibility of the Hindustani ‘government’, since he had been kept in custody under your democratic, secular, progressive ‘POTA’ laws. Had he succumbed to his illnesses while under arrest, your trigger-happy soldiers would have had some proper fighting to do – and in a hand-to-hand fight, I would certainly put my money on a Pakistani (Kashmiri) rather than a scared, malnourished Hindustani soldier. Clearly your ‘government’ was aware of that as well, hence its sudden desperation to keep Geelani healthy and happy.
Again *yawn*, when it comes to your lecture on ‘popular will’, you’d be better off taking notes on countries like Algeria, Turkey and Pakistan and perhaps applying them to any one of the 20-odd separatist insurgencies you have raging on in your ‘country’. You’re giving me a link on a Kurdish politician to defend Hindustan’s monstrous human rights record? You’re serving up nauseating speeches on freedom of dissent and cancer hospitals? Why has it fallen to me to teach you everything about your own country?
India buries dissent in Kashmir
http://www.hlrecord.org/opinion/india-buries-dissent-in-kashmir-1.1009235
“The Indian state has, for decades, been suppressing the largely non-violent dissent of Kashmiri people against the militarization of Kashmir. The Indian state has used the divisive propaganda of militancy and religion as tools to suppress any kind of dissent against its forced occupation of the region.”
You see, little man, you have to do more than watch a few Tom Cruise movies to fool yourself into thinking you’re a ‘democracy’:
“A democracy which suppresses dissent by means of violence is the most vulgar form of democracy, if at all it can be called ‘democracy’. The successful attempt by the Indian state to keep the Indian populace in the dark about such damning reports questions the validity of its claim to be the largest functional, pluralistic democracy.”
LOL – and you’re going on about the Algerian Civil War…not ONE of the countries that you mentioned can boast ALL the human rights violations that are not just existent, but rife, in Hindustan. Again, little wonder they balked at your bestial actions in Kashmir. I was doing you a favour by going by the HDI – facts on the ground are a much bigger headache for you.
But hey – if language issues are obviously such a sensitive point for you, you should feel safe in your own ‘country’:
THE LANGUAGE ISSUE TODAY
http://www.languageinindia.com/may2002/baldridgelanguagepolicy.html#today
“In February, Tamil Nadu’s Education Minister stated that “the State Government would stand by the two-language formula of having only Tamil and English and would defeat all efforts to impose Hindi in any form”.”
All your waffle on climate change failed to impress me; in fact, I’m getting used to the feeling of boredom in your rambling paragraphs. The sad thing is that you hardly ever have a decent point worth making. Take the climate change issue, where once again you’ve clearly been stung by your inferiority to China:
“India always has a little bit of a problem playing second fiddle to China, and Brazil and South Africa have separate interests as well,” Ladislaw says.”
LOL – you even quoted the line yourself! Did your poor english perhaps misunderstand the above statement? Did you accidentally take it to mean that Hindustan is ’shining’ as the leader in negotiations?! No, you fool! While CHINA does the hard work, Hindustan’s obsession is the same as it always is – trying to compete in a league where it doesn’t belong! Again, Hindustan’s stance was not any different to that of Botswana’s or Turkmenistan’s – all these countries had to fall behind China. Listen mate, if you want to claim credit for something, claim credit for your awesome Commonwealth Games preparation! China had nothing to do with those! But please, stop trying to cash in on the successes of others – national failure should be a familiar mantle for your kind by now, surely?
I’m sorry, I seem to have touched a raw nerve by insulting your legendary piss-drinker Desai. Let me take the focus off him and spread it out a little:
India to launch cow urine as soft drink
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article5707554.ece
If Zardari can find an industry in selling piss to you guys, then good on him – sounds like a thriving market over there!
Apparently you leave diplomacy to professionals – good for you. I hope the professional ‘diplomats’ in Hindustan actually made it out of the many slums and gained some sort of credible education, because from your take on diplomacy, your ‘country’ is doomed.
Your explanation of the ‘Foreign Secretary’s’ comments are basically rubbish – unsubstantiated, illogical…actually a little cringeworthy to read. Hindustan could not conjure up enough dignity to simply name the US directly, and instead used inconsequential, duplicitous language to hoodwink simpletons like yourself who normally don’t need much actual evidence to make silly claims about Hindustani ‘assertiveness’. Your reply has once again served to show that in the absence of knowledge, you have no problem just making things up.
US aid to Pakistan is based largely on services rendered – well before the World Trade Centre attacks, Musharraf made a speech to the nation in which he highlighted militant extremism as a key national issue. Of course, this is news to you. Everything in the real world is news to a Hindustani (still laughing at little Manmohan’s ’shock’ to see how much the Kashmiris hate Hindustan). Aside from the ’security efforts’ (which basically tie in with Pakistan’s own counter-terrorism doctine), the aid we receive is a paltry $20 million. Of course, I know Hindustanis have a few issues with the idea of counter-terrorism; as we have established before, Pakistan’s military takes on the country’s terrorists, whereas Hindustan’s military hires them. As I said before, though, it’s ridiculous to even try to compare the two though, for several reasons such as this one.
I think I was reasonably clear in showing you how much aid was offered to Pakistan compared to Hindustan by the US, and the commensurate level of support that both countries offered in the UN. You’re hardly the brightest guy in the world, but even you can read some basic numbers. Can you not see that for far less aid, Hindustan offers its support to the US far more willingly in the UN? Does that really fill you with national pride? Then again, compared to the ’shining’ Commonwealth Games, I suppose anything would be enough to give you some pride, right?!
I could take the obvious path and explain to you, once again, that hundreds and thousands of protesting Kashmiris do NOT make a ‘token presence’. I could also, once again, enlighten you by showing how NONE of the non-Hindustani news reports regarding the ongoing freedom struggle make ANY mention of Sunnis and/or Shias. But in a situation like this, your stupidity is so self-evident there is little need for me to add anything. You’re talking about the freedom struggle being ‘whittled away’ after one of the bloodiest spells in the intifada’s long history. How am I supposed to reply to such idiocy? You even have the insanity to bring up Maulvi Abbas Ansari, and then to add that he is not representative of the mainstream Shia in Kashmir – so how did he have a key role in the foundation of the APHC? How did he become selected as Chairman in 2003, by the ‘hardcore Sunni types’ who according to you must have hated him? You see, once again I have to show you the pitfalls that exist when you venture into territory beyond your understanding. Stick to ‘Defence Journal’ and ‘Grand Slam’, boy! You’re making a complete fool of yourself with this delusional Hindustani doctrine of Sunni Kashmiris and Shia Kashmiris. Once again, when your ’security forces’ go off on their routine orgies of sexual violence, I can guarantee that the victims’ families won’t be thinking about Sunni or Shia divisions – they’ll be joining the majority of Kashmiris who want to tear your ’soldiers’ to pieces for their war crimes. And who can blame them?
By the way – great work using a People’s Party website as an example of a ‘Pakistani’ link! Funny how you went to pieces when I did the same thing with the BJP…oh, and a little more self-inflicted comedy for you – your ‘Pakistani’ link was penned and published in New Delhi! LOL! Another Hindustani using a fake name? Wow…and I thought ‘Steve’ was bad…seriously, you make this so easy for me, ‘man’!
What is your obsession with being an armchair general? Maybe you were some cheerleader in one of Hindustan’s many wars against unarmed civilians, but I’m afraid your experience doesn’t seem to have translated into any credible knowledge. There are many similarities, military, political and social, that exist between Hindustani occupation and Israeli occupation. Sending me a link about Israelis raping a woman is tasteless and pointless, but unfortunately you have little else to offer. Try this.
David Cameron’s words are being used to justify Indian repression in Kashmir
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/03/david-cameron-pakistan-indian-repression-kashmir
“Kashmiris may have become the unintended victims of David Cameron’s verbal attack on Pakistan, which has encouraged the hardline Indian establishment to continue to brutalise Kashmiris in the Kashmir Valley, an open-air prison camp much like Gaza.”
If you want to dress up like a soldier boy and try talking like a military man, do so in your own spare time. I expect you to at least be mature enough to see the clear parallels between Gaza and Kashmir, two of modern history’s longest ongoing human rights violations.
Again, you send me an utterly pointless link about Geelani canceling a protest against the Hindustani death squads. So what? Why are you wasting my time with completely irrelevant news? I get the message, you can copy-and-paste – well done! But if some news story about a fiercely pro-Pakistan, highly popular Kashmiri freedom fighter cancelling some protest is meant to deliver your point, I’m afraid you’re in for a big disappointment. Who the hell cares about what Hindustan has ‘made clear’? The people of Kashmir clearly have no regard for the word of your government…and yet you’re somehow trying to gain kudos beyond your borders?!
Wow – those are some really impressive days that you guys celebrate! Your defence days are orientated around West Pakistan’s battle with East Pakistan. You should hold them in Dhaka along with the remaining rapists from the MB – they were the ones who won this singular victory, or have you forgotten that?
LOL, the funniest ‘defence days’ are the ones concerning Kashmir – even as the Chand Sitara is being waved with pride across the occupied territory, you guys massage your egos with fabricated victories. At least our defence days are celebrated by the people that our army defended! That must be a foreign concept to you!
Great to see you braggng about Hindustan’s astute weapons purchases. Is that meant to make you feel better about the shoddy, faulty MIGs that were offloaded onto you? LOL…you’re blabbering on about crutches – did you not read my link? Have you not examined the spectacular rate at which the Hindustani ‘Air Force’ (!) crashes its own aircraft? More in ten years than Pakistan has experienced in her history! So…how do you feel about your purchasing acumen now? Then again, other nations have bought the same hardware and not experienced the same mid-air blunders. Are you sure your ‘pilots’ aren’t spending their spare time assisting in the Commonwealth Games construction effort? I only ask because they seem to have to the same levels of competence!
Pakistan’s Indigenous JF-17 Thunder Strike Fighter aircraft inducted in PAF – February 18, 2010
http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/air%20marshal/4689/
Some footage of the indigenous weaponry that apparently doesn’t exist in Pakistan. Oh wait, I see your confusion…unlike the Dhruv, this wasn’t a botched project that dragged on for 30 years…seems we do our ‘indigenous’ work differently, don’t we!
As for the US, the weapons deals have been agreed and are subject to the same international agreements that exist between other nations. In other words, while you busily gift away your nuclear independence for some US leftovers, we’ll happily receive the munitions that we paid for.
Speaking of purchased hardware, where do you think your GSLV project began? Yes that’s right, boy – you were being spoonfed by Mother Russia until Uncle Sam kicked your backside. That’s the only reason you have been trying (with minimal success) to develop it yourselves. Of course, as we’ve established, you have met with repeated failure here – is that the sound of a crashing footbridge I hear?!
Again, my simple child, the launching of satellites and a homegrown cryogenic launch are two separate things – the more you keep whining about Pakistan, the clearer it is that this is just a very sore point for you. No surprise there! Not only has your ’superpower’ government spent in excess of $6 billion on the national embarrassment of the Commonwealth Games, it has also pissed away billions of dollars to watch a ‘made in Hindustan’ tin can fall apart in the sky! Just imagine how many clean toilets that money could have bought, at least for visiting athletes if not for your own dirt-poor beggars. Still no answer to that? I thought it would be a concern for you, since you mentioned ‘education, literacy and modernity’ – while adding ‘off course’ in the same sentence. Do you mean ‘of course’? LOL…so much for enviable education, then. One must be very careful when one is trying to use the Queen’s english, mustn’t one?!
No, the issue is not ‘developmental challenges’ with the Dhruv, you fool. You’re turning out to be a typical pseudo-intellectual, using the Apache as a comparison for the national failure of the Dhruv. The Apache was grounded due to ‘developmental challenges’ almost 20 YEARS after being inducted – the Dhruv started to fall out of the sky within a matter of months. As for your ‘navy’, perhaps you should educate yourself a little more as to why they did the sensible thing and turned to the foreign market:
Navy plans to ditch Dhruv helicopters
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/newdelhi/Navy-plans-to-ditch-Dhruv-helicopters/Article1-317015.aspx
As always, when you fall back on these tacky religious appeals such as Turkey buying the Dhruv, I can tell you’ve run out of ideas. The only advantage the Dhruv has, against its abysmal performance, is its price – coming in at a far lower price than mony other higher-quality competitors, it is the weapon of choice for third-world and developing countries. Unfortunately, as the Ecuadorians found out, that doesn’t stop them from falling out of the sky!
Like a ‘kid wanting a toy’? What? Who exactly is the kid and what is the toy in your example? Are you just practising your english on me? If you’re referring to your HAL masterpieces, I can guarantee that if I saw them in a shop, the first thing I was would ask about was the refund policy!
The Last Chance Aircraft? ‘See it fly’?! LOL – I suppose if you spend almost 30 years trying to cobble together a successful aircraft, the least you could expect would be to ’see it fly’! Initiated in 2006…lol, what drugs are you on again dude?
23 yrs and first fighter aircraft hasn’t taken off
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/23-yrs-and-first-fighter-aircraft-hasnt-taken-off/16658/
This article was in 2006 – round about the time you claimed the project was ‘initiated’! And even after 30 years of boasting about an all-Hindustani aircraft, you’re still importing a foreign engine. If those are the standards by which Hindustanis operate, no wonder seven years wasn’t enough time to put up a few stadiums! And this is something you’re actually BRAGGING about?!
Not a good idea bringing up 1965 when you talk about your ‘air force’ by the way, my little friend. Our pilots certainly didn’t have to rely on your planes crashing when they wiped the floor with you despite a 1:5 numerical disadvantage. As I’ve said before, teenagers like you have been raised on the BJP re-written version of history, that was told to you by your own pilots whose lies about ‘combat kills’ were proven false by the Pakistani ‘victims’ in live interviews later on. Seems your ‘air force’ has picked up some valuable ‘combat techniques’ from your army then…now that’s what I call joint tactics!
As for the Navy and Operation Dwarka…well, I can understand why you’re feeling a little meek. The PN at the time, much like the other wings, was a young, inexperienced, vastly outnumbered force – which, like the PA nad PAF, managed to defend Pakistan against a communally unhinged neighbour. Imagine wilfully approaching an enemy city and bombarding it with impunity. What would you call it other than a victory? Funny how none of the sailors saw any of the legendary ‘kick back’ that night. Why was a single submarine PNS Ghazi enough to keep the whole Hindustani fleet at bay? Is that meant to be an embarrassment for us? What a fool!
The epic of Sept ‘65
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/spedition/defence_day_supp_06/p2.html
And yes, I do love sticking to the ‘effeminate’ image of Hindustani soldiers being chased out of Lahore by civilians. To tell you truth, there are no words to describe how much I love it. I love it even more when I’ve been told repeatedly about the legendary Shah Rukh Khan-style ‘kickback’! Why weren’t your ’soldiers’ showing your ‘kickback’ in Lahore Gymkhana, as your ‘general’ had promised? Can you not see why the whole episode makes Pakistanis see Hindustanis for what they are?
Remind me again the point at which you had ‘exposed’ my take on 1965. LOL, seriously there is nothing funnier than a Hindustani making so much noise on his own that he manages to delude himself completely. Have you yet managed to explain how Pakistan was the aggressor, despite Hindustani ‘forces’ (using the term ‘forces’ very generously) being the ones who breached the border? For all your shrill noises, have you yet managed to explain that? Have you not seen in YOUR OWN source material that Hindustani ’soldiers’ had NO ANSWER to the onslaught at Akhnoor other than to breach the international border? Is that such a hard thing for you to accept? Listen behta, if it makes you feel better, tell yourself that you had no option other than to violate international obligations – of course you didn’t. But that in itself proves both my points: your ‘resistance’ in Akhnoor was non-exsistant, and as a result you started an international war. Make this a turning point in your life, boy: stand up and accept some responsibility.
Okay, let’s try to explain this more simply for you: I understand that your ’soldiers’ sign up for the Hindustani ‘army’ because they’ve been promised a life of shooting at unarmed civilians and the occasional rape, before being able to retire in relative luxury; I understand that you guys have certain standards for yourselves. Okay? But in Pakistan, soldiers have a greater awareness of the sacrifices that have to be made. How many ISI agents have been killed over the decades in defence of their homeland? Nobody knows. They could quite feasibly have been killed in Afghanistan, or even in Hindustan. Their bodies will be unclaimed as well, but their honour will live on. I think that’s the part that confuses you; the idea of our soldiers and freedom fighters achieving honour in ’shahadat’, rather than kicking back with fake medals and a mind full of created encounters.
But hey, you guys are clearly leading the way in how to treat your Kargil ‘heroes’.
Kargil hero was killed in fake encounter: Cong
http://www.hindustantimes.com/MP-police-killed-Kargil–jawan-in-fake-encounter-alleges-wife/Article1-593018.aspx
I suppose this above article is more ‘mythmaking’ on the Pakistani side, right? You have to see the funny side – a guy joins an organisation where he is trained to fabricate heroic clashes, and he himself suffers the same fate. Is this something that all Hindustanis are taught at school or something? Okay, now I’m being silly; two thirds of your children can’t even access a toilet, and I’m sitting here talking about schools??
You have some more words of wisdom to offer me on communal issues, coming from the only ‘country’ in the world where the caste system is still practised with no shame whatsoever. That’s pretty rich. For once, I’m going to leave it to you to do some more research into terrorist attacks in Pakistan. You’ll find that ‘Sunni’ areas are targeted as regularly as ‘Shia’ areas; it’s not quite the same as your ‘country’, where most of the examples of communal violence (and there are many to choose from) take place in areas where there are high proportions of minorities. Again, my advice to you is simple – stop making a fool of yourself. Unless there is article about it Defence Journal, you should just accept your own ignorance and take a break.
Let me get this right – your explanation for the ‘unmarked graves’ in Kashmir was…from a faceless, unnamed police officer, ‘who spoke on condition of anonymity’. Vintage BJP-level thinking; thousands upon thousands of men, women and children who were found in mass graves must all have been ‘hardcore Sunni types’. And once again, I find myself wondering why your PM is so ’shocked’ at the levels of hatred for all things Hindustani in Kashmir.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/18-mass-graves-found-in-indian-kashmir-am-04
“International human rights groups have in the past called for a probe into whether the unmarked graves held bodies of civilians who have ‘disappeared’ as Indian security forces struggle to contain the Muslim-majority region’s revolt.”
Hmm, now should the world believe the suspicions of international human rights groups, or should we believe the unsubstantiated claims of the same war criminals who perpetrate the killings in the first place? Tough call…
I read your link on the ‘enquiry report’ into the Hindustani officer’s sexual molestation of his colleague’s wife. Funny how the ‘general’ ended up resigning his commission anyway, isn’t it? You’re again trying to compare your brigade of rapists and chil-murderers to the Pakistani Army?!
Sexual Harassment in Indian Army
http://www.sikhsiyasat.net/2010/06/10/sexual-harassment-in-indian-army-by-sajjad-shaukat/
“On 7 August 2007, BBC indicated: “in July, 2007, the Indian army’s Capt Megha Razdan was found shot dead at her home in Jammu, in Indian-administered Kashmir. The officer had apparently taken her own life, leaving behind a suicide note. But her father, Arun Kumar Razdan, alleges foul play. He says his daughter was murdered by someone in the army…she was very happy and had spent just over two years in the army. She wanted to serve the country,” BBC further reported that in 2006 another woman officer, Lt Sushmita Chakravorty, shot herself dead. Her parents accused the army of harassment. BBC also pointed out that five cases of sexual harassment were filed by women officers against their male counterparts between 2002 and 2006.”
Your proud, secular ‘army’ is so democratic, the females are blowing their brains out. Again, how much planning do Pakistanis really need to do to take you guys on, when you’re happily off killing yourselves?
“There are reports that till today, only two or three rape cases have been concluded so far in a guilty verdict, while in the remaining cases, the investigations are still in process or have been terminated because of tremendous pressure on the presidents of the court of inquiries, investigating officers or the eye witnesses.”
LOL – you’re beginning to confuse yourself with the Bangladesh issue, boy. Was 1971 planned or wasn’t it? Were you working behind the scenes with the Mukhti Bahini as early as 1968, thereby confirming your role as duplicitous backstabbers, or was the whole decision for aggravating a war born from the refugee crisis? The evidence certainly points towards the former. Give it a bit more thought, and let me know what your final decision is.
Apparently this ‘poor chap’ (I’m assuming you’re referring to me) doesn’t know what the Pakistan Army is fighting for. Hmm, I thought that was obvious from its day of inception, when it stopped Hindustani marauders from capturing Kashmir. Did you not work it out from that? In 2001-2002, Hindustanis had, comically, whipped themselves up into the belief that they were the equivalent of the US in South Asia. So you guys all watched from your sewers while US forces entered Afghanistan on a whim, and you all thought, ‘yeah we can do the same with Pakistan! Let’s summon all our troops from the brothels and mobilise them for Operation Parakram!’
LOL…these messages to you are eaily becoming the highlight of my days.
Op Parakram claimed 798 soldiers
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/104948.cms
Wait…you mean 798 PAKISTANI soldiers? No!
” “During Operation Parakram up to July 2003, a total number of 798 Army personnel suffered fatal casualties,” said Defence Minister George Fernandes in Lok Sabha on Thursday.”
That’s right, your ’soldiers’ blew themselves to pieces just trying to get ready for a fight! This is almost too funny, you have to admit. How should Pakistan’s forces deal with such asymmetrical warfare, eh? Really adds a new dimension to the conflict! Tell me, did any of these guys get posthumous medals for their valour in giving up their lives?!
I don’t mind you falling back on mindless statements about Pakistan’s progress in Kashmir – again, when your imbecilic rantings are over, you have to ask yourself how the Kashmir issue has been burning for 60 years now despite you guys still seeing it as a success. Admittedly, Pakistan hasn’t really had to do much – your sustained campaign of rape and oppression has guaranteed that Kashmiris continue to remind you where their loyalties lie.
Kashmiris raise Pakistani flag on Eid
http://www.markthetruth.com/topnews/848-kashmiris-raise-pakistani-flag-on-eid.html
Take a look at the picture in the link. Must be the small pockets of ‘hardcore Sunni types’ you were mentioning earlier! Yup, big victory for you guys!
Again, when it comes to the Talibaan and Afghanistan, you’re proving yourself to be at a complete loss without Defence Journal to keep you warm. Stick to Grand Slam, my friend! Tell me what confuses you about Pakistan defying NATO and providing support to Talibaan forces, refusing to let US forces have access to key Talibaan nominals.
Pakistan seen restricting data from mullah
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/18/pakistan-restricts-data-obtained-captured-taliban/
This link above is date around a month after yours. You see, for children like you, who are educated in Hindustani shanty towns with only BJP propaganda by way of a curriculum, it isn’t easy to understand the complexities of information sharing. Pakistani forces are playing the same dark game in Afghanistan that is being played by all forces – well, all forces except the third-rate Hindustani engineers who are still busily building their shoddy bridges. Where were they when you were preparing for the Commonwealth Games then?
I read your comment about Geelani – have you read my reply? So much for him being so pro-Hindustan, eh?
You cite all the ‘freedoms’ of Kashmiris as if you’re somehow doing them a favour – what you can’t digest is that they would have had the SAME freedoms in Pakistan, and in addition, they wouldn’t be subjected to rape, shootings, and ignominious burials. I think it’s shameless how you congratulate yourself on offering such basic freedoms when the glaring, gross human rights violations continue unabated around the clock. Turkey, Iran and Iraq all have religious minorities, and Hindustan cannot even come close to these nations – backwards as they may be – when it comes to equality. Tell me where the mass graves of Jews are in Iran, please – I would love to know how you justify your statements.
Don’t be sorry for Gandhi being dead – you have no reason to apologise, since it was your own people who blew him to smithereens. ‘Polite’ is not a word I would ever associate to Hindustan, don’t worry yourself so much. By the way, asking for ‘Azadi’ due to religious identity was the whole basis of Partition – you couldn’t stop that from happening, so your macho words on Kashmir really don’t mean much. The freedom fighters of the province haven’t paid much heed to your self-absorbed dogma to justify the occupation, so you can kid yourself all you want. From all of what I’ve read so far, it seems that’s one thing you guys are good at!
A
@Architect,
NO double post!
Nothing to do with you; all credit is due to the Webmaster for not making my post ‘disappear’.
Pakistan’s present affairs (as is most of the time) are in shambles. The economy is down the drain, dependence on external agencies and countries is at an all time high, NATO/US forces are now attacking across the border and killing Pak forces, the political leadership is befuddled and working at cross purposes. The list of woes goes on. Then comes the even more bizarre acts of Pervez Musharraf .
So ergo, the IP pipeline is indeed a pet project for Pakistan, desperate to show to the world that at least some sort of infrastructure development continues in Pakistan. Its success is a matter of prestige and it could maintain a façade of normality for Pakistan.
You can continue to take comfort in your abject and pathetic self-consolation on India’s ‘crippling energy crises and collapsing footbridges(BTW the Indian Army built up an alternative in 5 days).
http://sify.com/news/army-hands-over-footbridge-near-nehru-stadium-news-national-kkbsObghgge.html
Meanwhile, Indian companies go on to become the WORLDS LARGEST polyester staple fiber producers as well as Asia’s largest Petro-product exporters!
‘Reliance is the largest producer of polyester fibre and yarn in the world, with a capacity of 2.5 million tonnes per annum.’’
http://www.ril.com/html/business/polyester.html
‘India has surpassed South Korea to become the largest petroleum products exporter in Asia ’
http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Ril-Helps-India-Become-Export-King/1493058#ixzz11Mw1rJC7
So much for your crippling crises!
The only thing crippled seems to be your brain!
On Hindustan, a country undergoing change:
I wish I could post twice again!!!!
All I can say is that going by the state of Pakistan, your leaders and yourself must have common ideas about how to develop an economy. What results are being achieved thereof is plain to see.
Problems in the Common wealth games!
I am sure you shall continue to have fond hopes on niggling problems derailing the conduct the games.
You stick to your pet fetish and fantasies!
Meanwhile we have started things with a spectacular and magnificent opening ceremony.
http://cwg.ndtv.com/commonwealth/article/id/spoen20100155205/type/latest/World-media-dazzled-by-opening-ceremony-56702.html
The Fifth day of the games is on and various sports events are taking place most successfully.
Though Pakistan seems to have just scrounged one silver medal as on date!
Talking of problems, did you watch your guys were fighting over who gets to carry the Pak flag in full public view in the opening ceremony!
http://geo.tv/10-3-2010/72344.htm
http://cwg.ndtv.com/commonwealth/article/id/spoen20100155301/type/latest/Gilani-orders-probe-to-Paks-CWG-flagbearer-row-56917.html
Begairaiti to koi Pakistaniyon se sekhe!
African economies and Indian growth:
Well, no answers to the Indian growth story;
So from levels of poverty in 26 poorest –sub-Saharan economies, guy here hops onto per-capita incomes of the African continent!!!!
We grow to an economy in 15 years, which forget about surpassing the 26 poorest of Africa, has surpassed the entire continent, and your wailing on Indian poverty levels goes on!!
Keep on watching boy, at the rate we are growing, you will have to start howling next!!!!
Human Right and the Pakistan Army:
Ahh my sources are random blogs and mutterings and yours are the absolute truth .??????
What Pakistan and its army are, and what its levels they can stoop to are we are fully acquainted with.
Here is just another example of your army:
At its bravest shooting down unarmed boys!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39446835/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/35-Pakistan-army-killings-back-in-spotlight-over-video-ak-03
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68T5N420100930
Watch the vid ( be warned its very graphic)
http://inspiremv.blogspot.com/2010/09/pakistan-army-killing-innocent-children.html
http://forum.goregrish.com/war/2556-pakistan-army-killing-innocent-children-swat.html
Nothing unexpected in the least! The incident is in absolute conformity with Pakistani army past record.
Gujarat riot cases:
As usual this guy proclaims his idiocy to the high heavens.
Who ensured that the case be transferred outside Gujarat for a fair trial!
YOU ???OR Zardari OR the Pakistan courts!
Context, context, context!!!!!
Remember those golden words and the issue under discussion of democratic safe guards in a functioning democracy.
How despite moves by vested interests in Gujarat to suppress the riot cases they could not succeed DUE TO alternatives available to the riot victims.
The perpetrators of the crime stand punished here thanks to the rights available to all under the Indian constitution and democracy.
And still , chappie here is bewailing on justice not being imparted!
Regards Pakistani courts, going by their recent record, calling them Kangaroo courts would be being charitable.
I have already touched upon the fact that in Pakistan, even the smallest, insignificant tiniest minority; absolutely at the mercy of the 98% majority has no succor.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/persecution-by-islam/pakistan%E2%80%99s-controversial-%E2%80%9Cblasphemy-laws-and-persecution-of-religious-minorities/
Bhopal Gas and Chernobyl:
Is it the Pakistani sense of perspective that makes you compare a gas leak disaster to discussions on nuclear safety and Chernobyl!!
BTW the white dude did appear in India and spend time in jail! I have already explained that there is a great deal of difference between India of the 80s and today. AND that the criminal case has been reopened now.
Quite unlike your chaps, who smile and bend over when your citizens and soldiers are killed in attacks by the white man and while he stomps all over your country.
White man shoots Pak army men, what does Pak do, close fuel supplies at one gate, while plenty flows through OTHER routes!!!!
You guys are such unashamed beggars that still you will not give up a cent of western aid received.
I am sure there will be a great drama of some apology and then things will go on a usual.
Kashmir:
Ohhh wow!!! Finally this guys now acknowledges that raiders from Pakistan did cross into Kashmir in 1948 !!!!!!
Off course the eternal myth that they did so in support of an indigenous uprising continues!!!
OK, at least this guy is half way across to the truth!!!
On the crowd control issues:
As is said earlier, the police/forces will fire at a mob pelting stones at them.
If boys are in the frontline of throwing stones, they will be killed. If conditions are created that will put them in harms way, such killings will happen.
Lining up boys, blindfolding them, and shooting them again and again while they lie dying on the ground is the specialty of the Pak Army.
You must have seen the video of the Swat killings by the Pak army by now I think.
Statements of Geelani:
Well, well!! Your most esteemed leader of the Kashmiris, Mr Geelani , is now flip-flopping to vent his frustration at Pakistan’s lack of support!
Poor chap, his days of frustration shall only continue. Wonder what he will say next time he is frustrated!!!!
You guys keep your hopes pinned on Geelani!!!! And the Pak flags (2-3-4-12 whatever that makes you happy) that fly in Lal Chowk.
BTW, the APHC was formed in 1993 and consists of 26 different parties. How united they are has certainly been seen over these past decades!!!!!!
Have you checked up on the choices and behavior of the other 25!!!!!
Plebiscite and UN resolutions:
And so, NOW you realize why Pak did NOT withdraw from POK.
WOW first acceptance of Pak raiders in Kashmir, and NOW this!!!
Obey the terms and conditions of the resolution or forget it.
Your delusions, allusion, fantasy, wishful thinking and semantics on Kashmir, India and Israel may yield you raptures of joy! But it has nothing to do with the implementation of the resolution or on the facts as existing on the ground.
You guys are worthy of the biggest ’lannat’!!
The ‘most glorious’’ of Kashmiri leaders ‘supports’ you, your flag ‘flies high’, there is only the fake Indian army on the borders AND you still are stuck in Lahore or Islamabad or Muzaffarabad or Sialkot or wherever else!!!
Come on over to Srinagar!!!!!! What are you waiting for?
And hey, heard the latest from the Ex-Great Dictator Pervez Mushy himself!
SPIEGEL: Why did you form militant underground groups to fight India in Kashmir?
’’Musharraf: They were indeed formed. The government turned a blind eye because they wanted India to discuss Kashmir.
SPIEGEL: It was the Pakistani security forces that trained them.
Musharraf: The West was ignoring the resolution of the Kashmir issue, which is the core issue of Pakistan. We expected the West — especially the United States and important countries like Germany — to resolve the Kashmir issue. Has Germany done that? ‘
SPIEGEL: Does that give Pakistan the right to train underground fighters?
Musharraf: Yes, it is the right of any country to promote its own interests when India is not prepared to discuss Kashmir at the United Nations and is not prepared to resolve the dispute in a peaceful manner.
Lo Ji, the ex Great Dictator himself espousing the great ’indigenous movement of Kashmir’.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,721110,00.html
It another matter that these Johnny Jehadis usually were given a quick dispatch to their ‘shahadat’/jannat (as far as we feel they would have landed in ‘dozakh’) by the Indian forces.
Man! the pathetic whining to the USA and the west to solve Kashmir.
I can almost see 10 years later; probably an exiled or retired Kiyani too will claim how they arranged for stone throwing in Kashmir since the west was not helping in resolving Kashmir!!!!!!!!
Poor SA Geelani, he probably cannot put on his sherwani even, before seeking permission of Pak Army or its agencies!!!
The utterings of Mushy is just another example of Pakistani deceit and two-faced behavior.
Pak always proudly proclaims the movement in Kashmir is indigenous. So, what do you have to say about Mushy’s statement?
China Japan and India:Ho hum!
This guy will get me giddy the way he jumps the context of discussions.
When there is no answer to how India exports more small cars than china, no answer why China is seeking to copy an Indian brand so he jumps to how the domestic production of cars in China is larger!!!! Domestic production will depend on local demand. IN real world economics, production depends on Demand.
Indian domestic production will grow according to rise of local demand.
Just like small car exports from India are booming on world demand, local production will rise as the Indian economy develops further.
The Indian Auto industry is already amongst the largest and fastest growing in the world!! That OK for us!
The psychological complexes and fetishes I leave to you!
Man with leaders like Pervez Mushy, Nawaz Shariff and Zardari an inferiority or an image complex would probably be the least worry for Pakistan!!!!
With the kind of image Pakistan already has, to have an inferiority complex itself would still be an achievement!!!!!!
Indian Court judgments:
On your comment on inconsistency of Indian courts, I will reiterate that courts in India are not based on the Pakistani model, which run on the whims and fancy of the Pakistan Army chief or the PM or President or any body in power of Pakistan.
Indian Courts have to decide on evidence and proof presented in each case and not on what appears. After all even a Syed Abdul Rehman Geelani accused in the Indian Parliament attack was acquitted as innocent by Indian courts due to lack of evidence.
I do not expect you to understand the judicial process in India given that Pakistan is run more like a fiefdom with the Army and politicians making and flouting any law as they please.
If one court punishes, the next appeal is heard before a ‘convenient’ judge. If on a rare occasion a court punishes a powerful person at all, the Pakistan govt. grants amnesty!
Partion in 1947.
It bears repetition, the Indian Muslim, to the largest degree has displayed love and patriotism to his homeland. He has fought for India and shed his blood for it. The Indian Muslim has faced trials and tribulations in India BUT he also gets justice and his identity here.
Pakistan as a nation whose identity is based on the two-nation theory is solely based on an assertion that the Muslims are a separate nation, who do not have a place in India and cannot co-exist with other communities.
Notwithstanding the fact, that East Pakistan failed the test within decades of Pakistan being formed.
Every day the Indian Muslim, millions in number, lives, co-exists, partakes, creates, contributes as a full Indian citizen, it is another ‘ slap’ to Pakistan’s already truncated two nation theory.
And Akhand Bharat stuff!!!! SCARRRRY, It’s too creepy to think of Pakistanis as part of India. Stay on your side, as I said earlier, forever!
Bangladesh, you really want it to turn into the ‘same basket’ case as Pakistan!!! It’s a bit different for them. They are doing quite well for themselves lately.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703882404575519330896471058.html
BTW Bangladesh exports are almost EQUAL to that of Pakistan! Wow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Bangladesh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Pakistan
In fact Bangladesh is taking a lot of secular steps lately.
‘The High Court of Bangladesh has ruled that no-one can be forced to wear the burka, or full Islamic headdress.’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11471184
Additionally they have rendered invaluable co-operation to India in the fight against terrorist operating in the North East of India. The main manpower of such groups operating in India had already been neutralized .But the Bangladeshis have helped in wiping away the leadership hidden in their country.
Bangladesh hands over two top ULFA
http://gurumia.com/2009/11/08/bangladesh-hands-over-two-top-ulfa/
Bangladesh Arrests and Hands Over Terrorist Wanted In India
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2010/5/56222_space.html
Let them be.
Your pretence of support to a Muslim identity or ummah is as hollow as the promises of your leaders. They are choosing a path of stability and development and best wishes to them.
Georgia and Central Asian states:
Err the Common wealth games are on full steam.
Dried urine, dirty rooms and hyped up media reports, are pretty easy to handle and clean up.
Handling central Asian energy politics is rather different. Pakistan neither has the money nor the wherewithal to be even an itty –bitty player in the oil investment game in Central Asia, save the territorial location it has.
The biggest players in Central Asia are the Chinese, Russians and the US. The Russians and US have no difficulties in access to Central Asia through the west.
The Chinese, with their influence and money power has no problems in making Pak do what it wishes in the East .The Pak port of Gwadar would be nothing, but for China. In any case the Chinese have direct access to Central Asia.
The only politics Pak can play is on transit issues and agreements to its east, ie India and beyond.
The alternatives routes to Iran too easily negate this.
So it’s best rather than imagining a role in Central Asian oil politics, Pakistan stick to do what it can do best it for itself.
Maoist:
It still beats me on what link is there between an anti-Maoist strategy and Bollywood.
The influence of Bollywood on Pakistani’s fascinates me. A lot of Pakistani’s seem to be more up-to-date on the affairs of Bollywood than a lot of Indian’s themselves.
Let me explain it to you again. The Maoists fight on guerrilla tactics and asymmetrical warfare. IED and Ambushes are his weapons are the hallmarks of this irregular warfare. The Guerilla relies on wearing down his enemy by harassing them and causing attrition
The problem is that causing significant attrition on a country the size of India is no mean task .The capability of the Indian state to replenish itself with men, material and resources is very large.
All the Maoist can do is operate in their remote jungle areas, since anytime they chose to leave their stronghold they become easy and identifiable targets. That is why the Maoists have very little impact in areas beyond the jungle areas. The Govt. has already deployed forces in number in all areas periphery to these remote areas.
The Maoist has to get all his supplies, ammunition, and money from outside. The Govt simply has to sit it out since it faces no shortage of men, material or finances or of time.
The Shivaji stadium is a practice venue in CWG 2010.
What with this fascination for stadiums that you have!!! All are up and running, the CWG games are up and away in their 5th Day now.
Fennell certifies CWG 2010 village as best ever
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/10/06/fennell-certifies-cwg-2010-village-as-best-ever.html
Niggles, jiggles, chaos, problems are part of any large-scale effort. The point is how to deal with whatever is dished out your way.
What, did you expect? Like you, we would have just wailed and cried at the problems we faced.
Tribal Rights: Fancy Pakistan math’s again.
The numbers are incidental to the implementation of the right/law at a particular time. As the scope and area of implementation widens, the numbers of tribal community benefiting will obviously increase.
Human rights and India:
Pakistan and Human rights is an oxymoron. Frankly with the kind of habitual liars your Presidents and Army Chiefs are, I really wonder what is cooked up and dished out as information to the Pakistani people!!!!
It obvious there is very little you can say on Kashmir apart from the parroted line.
How much their words mean we see in the statements of the likes of a Nawaz or a Kiyani or a Pervez or a Zardari.
No wonder even Geelani of Kashmir is having doubts on the Pakistani!!
In fact if a country like Pakistan happens to praise the human rights record of a country that country better get worried!!!!!
Geelani not only gets medical care, but he is guarded by the Kashmiri police and allowed free access to the media. Had it been most other places he would have been booted across the LOC.
Betting your money on a ‘Malnourished soldiers’ and Pakistani, you would lose as usual!
What’s up with Pakistan! It loses almost everything it does!!!
Remember the statement of your ex great dictator Mushy, on the trained ‘jehadi army’ trained and sent to fight in Kashmir by Pakistan .Ever wonder what happened to those great Jehadis!!!!!!
Poor chaps, the guy was probably told, hey! We kicked the Russkis out, we can do the same in Kashmir in a matter of days!!!What does Johnny Jehadi know of the USA or CIA. Role in Afghanistan.
So chal pada woh Kashmir mein jehad karne!!!
The Indian Forces have a great saying, ‘its God job to forgive these terrorist, it’s OUR job to arrange the meeting!!!!
One thing nobody cares to hide here is, a foreign militant (non-Kashmiri and God help him if he is a Pakistani) is to be exterminated. And since nobody turns up to claim foreign terrorists their graves are unmarked and scattered all over Kashmir.
But when you train these guys and send them across, remember that when he faces Indian forces, his shouting or thinking ‘malnourished’ fake’ is not going to stop that bullet going to cut him down!!!
Ask that to the thousands of pretty dead Pakistanis/foreign terrorists trained and sent across by your great chiefs like Mushy, Kiyani , who their cost, learnt that the hard, and unfortunately for them permanent way!!
Language issue in Tamil Nadu:
Lol is that all you could scrounge !Its 2010 now, I do not even know if its an issue today. All states are free to work in their regional language s and there is no imposition of Hindi on anyone.
Cow urine:
Lets await Zardari’s overtures, though we fear, he may divert the cow urine to Pakistan’s water supply and supply water to us!!!!
Indian diplomacy:
As usual wishes are free ! think whatever you like.
But also try to think of any recent success of Pakistan on the foreign policy front. On Kashmir, perhaps stopping cross border attacks by the west or on trade concessions. Or Whatever!
US aid to Pakistan:
First the speeches of Pervez against extremism!!! LOL
What credibility Pakistan enjoys in what it says and what it actually does is too well known. The recent statements of Mushy simply reiterate the deceitful and two face nature of how Pakistani’s conduct themselves.
I knew you had a problem in understanding the written word, BUT counting also?????
Military aid is just part of the aid that Pakistan is handed out.
The Kerry Lugar Bill itself amounts to a $7.5 billion CIVILIAN aid package!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/23/AR2010082305476.html
And rest is for what? Services rendered!!!!
The Pakistani sense of entitled begging never ceases to amaze me!
India supporting the US in the UN despite getting less aid.
Where is there an issue at all? If the issue is co-terminus with India’s interest obviously India will vote for it. If not then it will not.
Shias and Sunnis in Kashmiri:
Why a Shia was elected to the APHC leadership? Tokenism and an attempt to appease the Shias and present a face of unity in Kashmir.
I will again remind you of the ethnic breakup of Kashmir.
Jammu, Sambha and Katwa are where Hindus are in majority. Doda, Phirkuch and Rajouri dominated by Gujars, Sudhans and Rajas . The Kashmir Valley, which has a sunni Muslim majority. Kargil, which has Shia and Balti populations in majority, and Ladakh and adjoining areas with Buddhist majority.
So now can you give me your EXPLANATION why the majority of trouble, stone throwing etc take place in the KASHMIR VALLEY and NOT in the other areas as I have indicated?
What is so special about the Valley that the epicenter of all violence happens to be this region? Have you ever tried to analyse the reasons?
Every Pakistani is fed with the propaganda that Kashmir is one mass of Muslim support for Pakistan.
It is NOT, Kashmir is divided in many ethno-religious lines, and that is one of the most important factors why Pakistan makes little headway in Kashmir whether by using a military option or otherwise.
It bears endless repetition; the VALLEY is NOT J&K.
Let 100% of the population of the Valley come out in the streets for an agitation STILL they are not entitled to speak for the rest of Jammu and Kashmir who have very different ideas about their future.
Can you give me ONE example of ANY APHC leader with a mass base, Shia or Sunni, whatever pleases you, OUTSIDE THE VALLEY.
And ahh the Pakistani law of reciprocity surface again!
When it is anti-India, it the truth AND when it is anti-Pakistani, it is propaganda, fabrication, lies!!!!!!!!
WOW, the convenience of self delusion and self-rationalization!!!
Yaar what kind of a Pakistani are you!
Your foreign minister you dismiss as an idiot!
The PPP which is a very important part of Pakistan politics, YOU again dismiss as Indian supporters!!!!!
So who is the true blue Pak Patriot , YOU @Architect!!!!!!
HHHAAAH AA, this is beyond ridiculous. When you have no answer, rely on the easiest answers, label the source false!
The same can be done by me, all your links can be labeled as fabricated in Islamabad or Lahore.
But that’s the lazy way out, and there is no need to resort to it when the facts are available.
India and Israel:
What has India, the Kashmir issue got to do with either Israel or David Cameron?
Do I have to keep on repeating the same facts to you?
Kashmir is an issue between India and Pakistan since INDEPENDENCE ITSELF in 1947, BEFORE ISRAEAL WAS even formed or DAVID CAMERON WAS around.
Israel no Israel, Cameron or No Cameron, India’s position on Kashmir remains the same.
What does it matter what the UK says or not says? You think we need to be educated by the likes of Cameron on what Pakistan or Pakistanis are?
I really wonder why Pakistan looks at the white nations in such awe and expectation of a handout every time!
Similarities between Kashmir and Israel:
Your fantasies are free to fly anywhere.
Israel refuses to deal with or talk to HAMAS, the elected body of the Palestinian. It imposes an absolute embargo on the HAMAS and thus on the Palestinians. The movement of Palestinians is absolutely controlled by Israel.
The Kashmiris are free to go anywhere, live anywhere in India, and take whatever job they please, enjoy special status and protection.
YES, this does not mean they are free to take up arms or indulge in anti-national or disruptive activities.
The UN resolutions on Palestine are absolute .The UN resolutions on KASHMIR are conditional, chief of which requires a Pakistani withdrawal from the Kashmir it has occupied. Till it does that, the Pakistani statement on Kashmir is as hollow as most of its pronouncements usually are. Besides China was handed over parts of Pakistan controlled Kashmir, which alters the nature of the problem.
Did you hear about Shah Faisal, he is a Kashmiri , the first one to top the Civil Services Exam, one of the most prestigious exams in India and he will join the powerful Indian Administrative Service(IAS).
The guy’s father, was a teacher who had been shot by a jehadi terrorist JUST because he could not offer them hospitality at that time.
http://www.prlog.org/10666497-upsc-topper-from-kashmir.html
This is an example of just another Kashmiri who we stand indebted to for providing one more reason why Pakistan repeatedly fails in Kashmir, notwithstanding it machinations and local puppets here.
BTW Geelani withdrawing his protest against army camps was one of the very few sensible things he has done. But lets see how long. He and his kind thrive on blood, NOT Their own but that of the poor common Kashmiri.
Defense Days:
The attacks in west are much more important!
First they were payback for 1965 and second the damage was being caused to West Pakistan and not the East, a much more desirable thing.
Ahh the other eternal Pak Myth, that it was MUKTI BAHINI that won the 1971 war for India!!!!!
I usually ask one question here? Why did AK Niazi and 90,000 of his men surrender before an Indian General JS Aurora and not before the Mukti Bahini?
And I also wonder how is it more prestigious for the Pak army to ‘lose’ and ‘surrender’ en masse to lungi-clad fighters, most armed with nothing more than a rifle, than to the Indian Army.
And by the same token, HOW Pakistan has not been able to replicate the same with’ its jehadi’ support either in 1965 or beyond in Kashmir!!!!
Your favorite ‘chand sitara at Lal Chowkh in Kashmir!!
Bas woh ho gaya aur Kashmir fathah ho gaye!!! No wonder you guys have no problem in thinking and accepting the line that the Pakistani army lost to a bunch of civilians in 1971!!!!!!!!
Since our victory in Kashmir is fabricated I really wonder than what is the problem in Kashmir?
Bravo you have solved the Kashmir issue itself. Since in 1948 we could not defend ourselves, the ENTIRE J&K must still be with Pakistan! So what is the fight about I wonder?
Boy the delusions run deep in this one!!!!
Your own Air Chief of the Pakistan Air Force in 1965 calls the 1965 war a foolish, egotistical, aimless aggression on part of Pakistan and you guys still celebrate it as Defence Day! Wow!
Only the supreme Pakistani logic can allow such a thing!!!!!
Mig -21:
Hmm your inability to comprehend, analyze, understand rates of attrition, understand percentages, flying hours, geographical space etc etc is as strong as ever.
JF-17: AKA Chengdu FC-1 Xiaolong.
Let’s see, it has a Russian engine, Chinese design, and western avionics, is basically a modified FC-1 design. Project initiation was in 1991. Induction into PAF started in 2008-9. Numbers built as on date 14.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JF-17_Thunder
So the ALH Dhruv, initiated in 1984, inducted by 2002, more than 120 built in numbers, 9 foreign customers is a drag!!!!!
Nuclear safety and GSLV:
Ahh! the wonderful self assurance of mere words!
Seems you have nothing left to say now on the nuke issue!!!
And your comprehension on space technology is as lacking in depth as Pakistan space programme/technology and its understanding of applications of such technology.
Commonwealth games again!!!
While you are still bewailing the common wealth games, it’s the 5th day of the games now.
And going by your limited abilities, here’s explaining things to you again!
Only a fraction of the common wealth games expenditure spending was on stadiums, the majority has been spent on expansion of the Metro rail system, which provides cheap public transport, provides mobility to workers, expansion of the road infrastructure, building of one of the worlds largest airport terminals in Delhi and expansion of support services. All these have created thousands of new jobs.
Unlike you, who wait for handouts from your benefactors and the World Bank, we are building and investing in our future.
Unlike your Pervezes , Nawazes, Zardari who leave their billions abroad and the Pakistani elite who abandon Pakistan and flee abroad at the drop of a hat.
And the tin cans in space!!
Still have not got an answer, how we launch more tin cans in space than Pakistan has ever even seen close up in a life time.
And as a bonus we EARN One thousand Crore Rupees from space launch service and another THOUSAND CRORES EVERY YEAR more from providing space services to others!!!
‘On the commercial aspect, he said India currently earns about Rs. 1,000 crore through commercial satellite launches.”Through Indian remote sensing satellite and through other satellite launches, we are getting revenue of Rs. 1,000 crore per year. This is growing at the rate of 20 to 30 per cent every year,” Mr. Veeraraghavan said.’
http://www.spacemart.com/reports/ISRO_To_Launch_Four_Satellites_In_December_999.html
NOT bad for tin cans!!!!!!!
And cold hard cash and money saved is infinitely more preferable from to just a lot of hot air emanating from you.
Save that hot air, perhaps it can a hot air balloon to take aloft Pakistani satellites into space!!!!!
Developmental Challenges on the ALH:
Why do I have to spoon feed this guy?
Was the AH 64 the First helicopter that USA ever built? How much backing the US helicopter industry and decades and decades of experience the US has?
Against this, the fact that India has in two decades, built 120 helicopters and sold it to 9 countries is a big deal for us.
Still silent on Turkey’s helicopter crash on its first testing flight itself!!!
Or perhaps like the jehadi who will turn bullet proof by shouting fake malnourished Indian soldier, the Pak army /air force will counter the ALH by shouting, he buddy, you got developmental issue, crash damn you crash!!!!
If the customers want a cheap helicopter, they will buy Chinese, NO ONE can beat them on Price at least!
And talking of cheap goods, that is exactly what you are doing with your JF-17!
‘for a low-cost, medium-technology, multi-role combat aircraft’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JF-17_Thunder
So beta , I have again tried to explain why building 120 Dhruv helicopters is a success.
Yet like the child who wants only ‘that’ toy, who no matter what else is being told to him, will jump only for ‘that’ toy. Thus all you can do is keep on crying ,no ,no how can it be, Dhruv is bad, bad helicopter!!!
If you had that many helicopters you would not be scrambling around everyone to provide you helicopters for use in the recent flood disaster)
http://www.china.org.cn/world/2010-09/21/content_20985197.htm
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/Pakistan_takes_delivery_of_first_aid_helicopter.html?cid=28373348
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N27102880.htm
Last Chance Aircraft:
Once again this chap shouts out loud, I am an idiot with a serious disability in understanding the written word.
It seems self delusion is worse than drugs!
Its LCH!!! where did you get the idea of the LCA.
And it was initiated in 2006.
OK baby, let repeat, L for Light, C for Combat and H for helicopter
Didn’t you see the video link I posted of its fist flight earlier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxASWK4eyuQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Light_Combat_Helicopter
So how are you going to combat it, shout crash, crash, damn you crash before it or are you going to attempt to shame it to death by calling it cheap!!!!!
Indian Navy Rejected ALH:
So where do these 8 come from!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Naval_Air_Arm
1965 war again!!!!
The only one’s having to create stories and myths are Pakistani’s.How else will they reassure themselves and justify a war called ‘foolish and egotistical’ aggression by their own Pak air-force chief in 1965.
Probably another Pakistani belief that by TV interviews and parades they are going to win the next war!!! Fat good it did to Pakistan in 1971!!!
Thats all that Pakistan does !!After any war scavenging around to gather information as to how in fact, they suffered less, how they actually won the war, how they inflicted more damage etc etc!
This Bahenaey baazi or excuse making seems to another enduring ‘fitrat ‘of Pakistani’s!
Operation Dwarka:
Can’t you read!!!!
The Pakistan navy launched an attack on Dwarka, there was NO opposing force there, so where is the question of being outnumbered.
So when you end up bombing empty space what else can you do but invent quaint myths and celebrate it as Pakistan Navy Day!
PNS Ghazi:!
The Indian Navy finished off whatever was there of the Pak Navy in the East and in Dacca. Only one gunboat, PN Rajshahi escaped destruction by running away to a neutral port!!!!! It did not even stay to fight back with their other comrades against the advancing Indian forces!!!!
So what was Ghazi keeping at Bay till it sank !!!!
1965 yet again! Who was the aggressor?
This guy had to be fed and fed and fed! OK baby spoon feeding time again!
‘And they misled the nation with a big lie that India rather than Pakistan had provoked the war and that we were the victims of Indian aggression”, Air Marshal Khan said.’
http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/06/nat2.htm
If you still do not get, then you probably are an imbecile!
‘This would have held the hands of the adventurers who followed Gen Ayub. Since the 1965 war was based on a big lie and was presented to the nation a great victory, the Army came to believe its own fiction and has used since’
http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/06/nat2.htm
FICTION ,GET it!
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fiction
No wonder you guys have to take recourse on fantasies of civilian’s routing effeminate Indian soldiers.
Maybe you should have sent these civilians instead of the SSG and infiltrators into Kashmir in 1965 .Perhaps they would have lived to tell their tales.
OR perhaps in 1971 when the great Pak army, instead of fighting on before harmless effeminate soldier (or lungi clad Mukti-Bahini , if you so wish) surrendered in a record 90,000 number. The highest post WW2 surrenders by any army).
Come on, seriously, you guys really believe the civilians story as true!!!!!
What else do they tell you guys!!!!Have you ever given it thought that, to put it mildly, it may be at the least, be grossly exaggerated.
HAHAHAH Pakistani Army joining up for sacrifices!!! Can’t say about the poor Pakistani sepoy, but your officers join up only to aspire to be ‘crore’ commanders!!!!
Unlike the Indian Army which is under total civilian control, the Pakistan Army is a law unto itself. The corruption of the Pak army is legendary.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/03/pakistan-taliban-military-swat
To die with honour is to die for a just cause, not on foolish quests for power and ego as is done by your army. Have you read PAF Air Marshal Nur Khan’s article I have posted.
Kargil Hero Killed:
Facts and not sensational headlines are important.
”Amjad Khan was in the Army but he was dismissed and received no pension after 10 years of service,”
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cops-killed-Kargil-war-hero-in-encounter/articleshow/6453936.cms
Unknown graves in Kashmir:
Your ex-great dictator , Pervez Mushy himself has confirmed the statement of the police officer.
Sexual Harassment:
Considering 1.2 Million man army and the number of such case are miniscule.
Any country’s civilian society would present much worse figures!
BTW where is your take on Pervez Musharaf defending a Pak army rapist!
Was there even a show of inquiry then?
1971: Have I not told you already it was a fortuitous presentation of circumstance to pay back Pakistan for its antics and infiltration tactics in Kashmir in 1965 .
You try to foment rebellion in a part of India, and then expect that there will be no payback?
Operation Parakaram:
Typical Pakistani response that Indian killed equals to Pakistani victory.
OK education time again! Assuming you do follow events.
The extended border deployment in 2002-3, had a salutary effect on the suppression of ARMED insurgency in Kashmir. It is AFTER this deployment that the famous confidence building measure of Mushy came about. The Bus ride from Muzzafarabad to Srinagar, cease fire on the LOC, peace talks etc etc.
One of the greatest criticisms to Mushy was , he gave too much away on Kashmir without getting anything back from India.
In fact since 2003 there was a dramatic fall in armed insurgency.
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=55961
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SP136210.htm
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gWvst8kjaTTjQaHqDXd8SqVQs5Kg
You also forget with the Indian Army, the Pakistan army too had to be deployed as a counter for an extended period. This requires a lot of resources and money. A lot of the economic problems and chaos faced by Pakistan today are also linked to the large diversion of resources to the military. India with it much larger resources did not feel the impact as it was felt on Pakistan.
No sacrifice of an Indian soldier has gone in vain. IN fact it is felt India got its way without firing a shot across the LOC.
The decline of the Pak position in Kashmir was another reason why Mushy became so unpopular in his recent years.
And so here we are today in Kashmir, when Pak failing with the AK 47 has now moved to the ‘emotional’ tactics of young boys facing a huge army with stone!
Pakistani flag raised :
Aw come on! when are you going to raise it beyond Lal Chowk!!!!
Certainly the best pro-India photo I see. After all such freedom is accorded only in a democracy!!!
Who spreads that vile propaganda that Kashmiri’s do not have free will? See they are exercising their freedom of expression!
Let them do it yaar, help them blow up some steam and vent their and your frustration.
Chalo aur kahin nahin,to lal chowk mein hein fahra dein Pak ka flag!!!lol
Pak restricting data from Mullah:
Let the drama continue!!!!
Why not restrict the NATO helicopters shooting your men just some days ago!!!!
You guys are real dramabaaz !I really wonder how long will the Pak army able to fool the people of pakistan.
Geelani Pro Hindustani!! since when!!!! Are you mad!!!
Azadi due to religion was YOUR idea of freedom, which was proved wrong barely two decades after your idea of freedom took place.
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@Architect,
NO double post!
Nothing to do with you; all credit is due to the Webmaster for not making my post ‘disappear’.
(Though again my current post has disappeared! thrice by now!!!!)
Pakistan’s present affairs (as is most of the time) are in shambles. The economy is down the drain, dependence on external agencies and countries is at an all time high, NATO/US forces are now attacking across the border and killing Pak forces, the political leadership is befuddled and working at cross purposes. The list of woes goes on. Then comes the even more bizarre acts of Pervez Musharraf .
So ergo, the IP pipeline is indeed a pet project for Pakistan, desperate to show to the world that at least some sort of infrastructure development continues in Pakistan. Its success is a matter of prestige and it could maintain a façade of normality for Pakistan.
You can continue to take comfort in your abject and pathetic self-consolation on India’s ‘crippling energy crises and collapsing footbridges(BTW the Indian Army built up an alternative in 5 days).
http://sify.com/news/army-hands-over-footbridge-near-nehru-stadium-news-national-kkbsObghgge.html
Meanwhile, Indian companies go on to become the WORLDS LARGEST polyester staple fiber producers as well as Asia’s largest Petro-product exporters!
‘Reliance is the largest producer of polyester fibre and yarn in the world, with a capacity of 2.5 million tonnes per annum.’’
http://www.ril.com/html/business/polyester.html
‘India has surpassed South Korea to become the largest petroleum products exporter in Asia ’
http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Ril-Helps-India-Become-Export-King/1493058#ixzz11Mw1rJC7
So much for your crippling crises!
The only thing crippled seems to be your brain!
On Hindustan, a country undergoing change:
I wish I could post twice again!!!!
All I can say is that going by the state of Pakistan, your leaders and yourself must have common ideas about how to develop an economy. What results are being achieved thereof is plain to see.
Problems in the Common wealth games!
I am sure you shall continue to have fond hopes on niggling problems derailing the conduct the games.
You stick to your pet fetish and fantasies!
Meanwhile we have started things with a spectacular and magnificent opening ceremony.
http://cwg.ndtv.com/commonwealth/article/id/spoen20100155205/type/latest/World-media-dazzled-by-opening-ceremony-56702.html
The Fifth day of the games is on and various sports events are taking place most successfully.
Though Pakistan seems to have just scrounged one silver medal as on date!
Talking of problems, did you watch your guys were fighting over who gets to carry the Pak flag in full public view in the opening ceremony!
http://geo.tv/10-3-2010/72344.htm
http://cwg.ndtv.com/commonwealth/article/id/spoen20100155301/type/latest/Gilani-orders-probe-to-Paks-CWG-flagbearer-row-56917.html
Begairaiti to koi Pakistaniyon se sekhe!
African economies and Indian growth:
Well, no answers to the Indian growth story;
So from levels of poverty in 26 poorest –sub-Saharan economies, guy here hops onto per-capita incomes of the African continent!!!!
We grow to an economy in 15 years, which forget about surpassing the 26 poorest of Africa, has surpassed the entire continent, and your wailing on Indian poverty levels goes on!!
Keep on watching boy, at the rate we are growing, you will have to start howling next!!!!
Human Right and the Pakistan Army:
Ahh my sources are random blogs and mutterings and yours are the absolute truth .??????
What Pakistan and its army are, and what its levels they can stoop to are we are fully acquainted with.
Here is just another example of your army:
At its bravest shooting down unarmed boys!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39446835/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/35-Pakistan-army-killings-back-in-spotlight-over-video-ak-03
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68T5N420100930
Watch the vid ( be warned its very graphic)
http://inspiremv.blogspot.com/2010/09/pakistan-army-killing-innocent-children.html
http://forum.goregrish.com/war/2556-pakistan-army-killing-innocent-children-swat.html
Nothing unexpected in the least! The incident is in absolute conformity with Pakistani army past record.
Gujarat riot cases:
As usual this guy proclaims his idiocy to the high heavens.
Who ensured that the case be transferred outside Gujarat for a fair trial!
YOU ???OR Zardari OR the Pakistan courts!
Context, context, context!!!!!
Remember those golden words and the issue under discussion of democratic safe guards in a functioning democracy.
How despite moves by vested interests in Gujarat to suppress the riot cases they could not succeed DUE TO alternatives available to the riot victims.
The perpetrators of the crime stand punished here thanks to the rights available to all under the Indian constitution and democracy.
And still , chappie here is bewailing on justice not being imparted!
Regards Pakistani courts, going by their recent record, calling them Kangaroo courts would be being charitable.
I have already touched upon the fact that in Pakistan, even the smallest, insignificant tiniest minority; absolutely at the mercy of the 98% majority has no succor.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/persecution-by-islam/pakistan%E2%80%99s-controversial-%E2%80%9Cblasphemy-laws-and-persecution-of-religious-minorities/
Bhopal Gas and Chernobyl:
Is it the Pakistani sense of perspective that makes you compare a gas leak disaster to discussions on nuclear safety and Chernobyl!!
BTW the white dude did appear in India and spend time in jail! I have already explained that there is a great deal of difference between India of the 80s and today. AND that the criminal case has been reopened now.
Quite unlike your chaps, who smile and bend over when your citizens and soldiers are killed in attacks by the white man and while he stomps all over your country.
White man shoots Pak army men, what does Pak do, close fuel supplies at one gate, while plenty flows through OTHER routes!!!!
You guys are such unashamed beggars that still you will not give up a cent of western aid received.
I am sure there will be a great drama of some apology and then things will go on a usual.
Kashmir:
Ohhh wow!!! Finally this guys now acknowledges that raiders from Pakistan did cross into Kashmir in 1948 !!!!!!
Off course the eternal myth that they did so in support of an indigenous uprising continues!!!
OK, at least this guy is half way across to the truth!!!
On the crowd control issues:
As is said earlier, the police/forces will fire at a mob pelting stones at them.
If boys are in the frontline of throwing stones, they will be killed. If conditions are created that will put them in harms way, such killings will happen.
Lining up boys, blindfolding them, and shooting them again and again while they lie dying on the ground is the specialty of the Pak Army.
You must have seen the video of the Swat killings by the Pak army by now I think.
Statements of Geelani:
Well, well!! Your most esteemed leader of the Kashmiris, Mr Geelani , is now flip-flopping to vent his frustration at Pakistan’s lack of support!
Poor chap, his days of frustration shall only continue. Wonder what he will say next time he is frustrated!!!!
You guys keep your hopes pinned on Geelani!!!! And the Pak flags (2-3-4-12 whatever that makes you happy) that fly in Lal Chowk.
BTW, the APHC was formed in 1993 and consists of 26 different parties. How united they are has certainly been seen over these past decades!!!!!!
Have you checked up on the choices and behavior of the other 25!!!!!
Plebiscite and UN resolutions:
And so, NOW you realize why Pak did NOT withdraw from POK.
WOW first acceptance of Pak raiders in Kashmir, and NOW this!!!
Obey the terms and conditions of the resolution or forget it.
Your delusions, allusion, fantasy, wishful thinking and semantics on Kashmir, India and Israel may yield you raptures of joy! But it has nothing to do with the implementation of the resolution or on the facts as existing on the ground.
You guys are worthy of the biggest ’lannat’!!
The ‘most glorious’’ of Kashmiri leaders ‘supports’ you, your flag ‘flies high’, there is only the fake Indian army on the borders AND you still are stuck in Lahore or Islamabad or Muzaffarabad or Sialkot or wherever else!!!
Come on over to Srinagar!!!!!! What are you waiting for?
And hey, heard the latest from the Ex-Great Dictator Pervez Mushy himself!
SPIEGEL: Why did you form militant underground groups to fight India in Kashmir?
’’Musharraf: They were indeed formed. The government turned a blind eye because they wanted India to discuss Kashmir.
SPIEGEL: It was the Pakistani security forces that trained them.
Musharraf: The West was ignoring the resolution of the Kashmir issue, which is the core issue of Pakistan. We expected the West — especially the United States and important countries like Germany — to resolve the Kashmir issue. Has Germany done that? ‘
SPIEGEL: Does that give Pakistan the right to train underground fighters?
Musharraf: Yes, it is the right of any country to promote its own interests when India is not prepared to discuss Kashmir at the United Nations and is not prepared to resolve the dispute in a peaceful manner.
Lo Ji, the ex Great Dictator himself espousing the great ’indigenous movement of Kashmir’.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,721110,00.html
It another matter that these Johnny Jehadis usually were given a quick dispatch to their ‘shahadat’/jannat (as far as we feel they would have landed in ‘dozakh’) by the Indian forces.
Man! the pathetic whining to the USA and the west to solve Kashmir.
I can almost see 10 years later; probably an exiled or retired Kiyani too will claim how they arranged for stone throwing in Kashmir since the west was not helping in resolving Kashmir!!!!!!!!
Poor SA Geelani, he probably cannot put on his sherwani even, before seeking permission of Pak Army or its agencies!!!
The utterings of Mushy is just another example of Pakistani deceit and two-faced behavior.
Pak always proudly proclaims the movement in Kashmir is indigenous. So, what do you have to say about Mushy’s statement?
China Japan and India:Ho hum!
This guy will get me giddy the way he jumps the context of discussions.
When there is no answer to how India exports more small cars than china, no answer why China is seeking to copy an Indian brand so he jumps to how the domestic production of cars in China is larger!!!! Domestic production will depend on local demand. IN real world economics, production depends on Demand.
Indian domestic production will grow according to rise of local demand.
Just like small car exports from India are booming on world demand, local production will rise as the Indian economy develops further.
The Indian Auto industry is already amongst the largest and fastest growing in the world!! That OK for us!
The psychological complexes and fetishes I leave to you!
Man with leaders like Pervez Mushy, Nawaz Shariff and Zardari an inferiority or an image complex would probably be the least worry for Pakistan!!!!
With the kind of image Pakistan already has, to have an inferiority complex itself would still be an achievement!!!!!!
Indian Court judgments:
On your comment on inconsistency of Indian courts, I will reiterate that courts in India are not based on the Pakistani model, which run on the whims and fancy of the Pakistan Army chief or the PM or President or any body in power of Pakistan.
Indian Courts have to decide on evidence and proof presented in each case and not on what appears. After all even a Syed Abdul Rehman Geelani accused in the Indian Parliament attack was acquitted as innocent by Indian courts due to lack of evidence.
I do not expect you to understand the judicial process in India given that Pakistan is run more like a fiefdom with the Army and politicians making and flouting any law as they please.
If one court punishes, the next appeal is heard before a ‘convenient’ judge. If on a rare occasion a court punishes a powerful person at all, the Pakistan govt. grants amnesty!
Partion in 1947.
It bears repetition, the Indian Muslim, to the largest degree has displayed love and patriotism to his homeland. He has fought for India and shed his blood for it. The Indian Muslim has faced trials and tribulations in India BUT he also gets justice and his identity here.
Pakistan as a nation whose identity is based on the two-nation theory is solely based on an assertion that the Muslims are a separate nation, who do not have a place in India and cannot co-exist with other communities.
Notwithstanding the fact, that East Pakistan failed the test within decades of Pakistan being formed.
Every day the Indian Muslim, millions in number, lives, co-exists, partakes, creates, contributes as a full Indian citizen, it is another ‘ slap’ to Pakistan’s already truncated two nation theory.
And Akhand Bharat stuff!!!! SCARRRRY, It’s too creepy to think of Pakistanis as part of India. Stay on your side, as I said earlier, forever!
Bangladesh, you really want it to turn into the ‘same basket’ case as Pakistan!!! It’s a bit different for them. They are doing quite well for themselves lately.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703882404575519330896471058.html
BTW Bangladesh exports are almost EQUAL to that of Pakistan! Wow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Bangladesh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Pakistan
In fact Bangladesh is taking a lot of secular steps lately.
‘The High Court of Bangladesh has ruled that no-one can be forced to wear the burka, or full Islamic headdress.’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11471184
Additionally they have rendered invaluable co-operation to India in the fight against terrorist operating in the North East of India. The main manpower of such groups operating in India had already been neutralized .But the Bangladeshis have helped in wiping away the leadership hidden in their country.
Bangladesh hands over two top ULFA
http://gurumia.com/2009/11/08/bangladesh-hands-over-two-top-ulfa/
Bangladesh Arrests and Hands Over Terrorist Wanted In India
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2010/5/56222_space.html
Let them be.
Your pretence of support to a Muslim identity or ummah is as hollow as the promises of your leaders. They are choosing a path of stability and development and best wishes to them.
Georgia and Central Asian states:
Err the Common wealth games are on full steam.
Dried urine, dirty rooms and hyped up media reports, are pretty easy to handle and clean up.
Handling central Asian energy politics is rather different. Pakistan neither has the money nor the wherewithal to be even an itty –bitty player in the oil investment game in Central Asia, save the territorial location it has.
The biggest players in Central Asia are the Chinese, Russians and the US. The Russians and US have no difficulties in access to Central Asia through the west.
The Chinese, with their influence and money power has no problems in making Pak do what it wishes in the East .The Pak port of Gwadar would be nothing, but for China. In any case the Chinese have direct access to Central Asia.
The only politics Pak can play is on transit issues and agreements to its east, ie India and beyond.
The alternatives routes to Iran too easily negate this.
So it’s best rather than imagining a role in Central Asian oil politics, Pakistan stick to do what it can do best it for itself.
Maoist:
It still beats me on what link is there between an anti-Maoist strategy and Bollywood.
The influence of Bollywood on Pakistani’s fascinates me. A lot of Pakistani’s seem to be more up-to-date on the affairs of Bollywood than a lot of Indian’s themselves.
Let me explain it to you again. The Maoists fight on guerrilla tactics and asymmetrical warfare. IED and Ambushes are his weapons are the hallmarks of this irregular warfare. The Guerilla relies on wearing down his enemy by harassing them and causing attrition
The problem is that causing significant attrition on a country the size of India is no mean task .The capability of the Indian state to replenish itself with men, material and resources is very large.
All the Maoist can do is operate in their remote jungle areas, since anytime they chose to leave their stronghold they become easy and identifiable targets. That is why the Maoists have very little impact in areas beyond the jungle areas. The Govt. has already deployed forces in number in all areas periphery to these remote areas.
The Maoist has to get all his supplies, ammunition, and money from outside. The Govt simply has to sit it out since it faces no shortage of men, material or finances or of time.
The Shivaji stadium is a practice venue in CWG 2010.
What with this fascination for stadiums that you have!!! All are up and running, the CWG games are up and away in their 5th Day now.
Fennell certifies CWG 2010 village as best ever
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/10/06/fennell-certifies-cwg-2010-village-as-best-ever.html
Niggles, jiggles, chaos, problems are part of any large-scale effort. The point is how to deal with whatever is dished out your way.
What, did you expect? Like you, we would have just wailed and cried at the problems we faced.
Tribal Rights: Fancy Pakistan math’s again.
The numbers are incidental to the implementation of the right/law at a particular time. As the scope and area of implementation widens, the numbers of tribal community benefiting will obviously increase.
Human rights and India:
Pakistan and Human rights is an oxymoron. Frankly with the kind of habitual liars your Presidents and Army Chiefs are, I really wonder what is cooked up and dished out as information to the Pakistani people!!!!
It obvious there is very little you can say on Kashmir apart from the parroted line.
How much their words mean we see in the statements of the likes of a Nawaz or a Kiyani or a Pervez or a Zardari.
No wonder even Geelani of Kashmir is having doubts on the Pakistani!!
In fact if a country like Pakistan happens to praise the human rights record of a country that country better get worried!!!!!
Geelani not only gets medical care, but he is guarded by the Kashmiri police and allowed free access to the media. Had it been most other places he would have been booted across the LOC.
Betting your money on a ‘Malnourished soldiers’ and Pakistani, you would lose as usual!
What’s up with Pakistan! It loses almost everything it does!!!
Remember the statement of your ex great dictator Mushy, on the trained ‘jehadi army’ trained and sent to fight in Kashmir by Pakistan .Ever wonder what happened to those great Jehadis!!!!!!
Poor chaps, the guy was probably told, hey! We kicked the Russkis out, we can do the same in Kashmir in a matter of days!!!What does Johnny Jehadi know of the USA or CIA. Role in Afghanistan.
So chal pada woh Kashmir mein jehad karne!!!
The Indian Forces have a great saying, ‘its God job to forgive these terrorist, it’s OUR job to arrange the meeting!!!!
One thing nobody cares to hide here is, a foreign militant (non-Kashmiri and God help him if he is a Pakistani) is to be exterminated. And since nobody turns up to claim foreign terrorists their graves are unmarked and scattered all over Kashmir.
But when you train these guys and send them across, remember that when he faces Indian forces, his shouting or thinking ‘malnourished’ fake’ is not going to stop that bullet going to cut him down!!!
Ask that to the thousands of pretty dead Pakistanis/foreign terrorists trained and sent across by your great chiefs like Mushy, Kiyani , who their cost, learnt that the hard, and unfortunately for them permanent way!!
Language issue in Tamil Nadu:
Lol is that all you could scrounge !Its 2010 now, I do not even know if its an issue today. All states are free to work in their regional language s and there is no imposition of Hindi on anyone.
Cow urine:
Lets await Zardari’s overtures, though we fear, he may divert the cow urine to Pakistan’s water supply and supply water to us!!!!
Indian diplomacy:
As usual wishes are free ! think whatever you like.
But also try to think of any recent success of Pakistan on the foreign policy front. On Kashmir, perhaps stopping cross border attacks by the west or on trade concessions. Or Whatever!
US aid to Pakistan:
First the speeches of Pervez against extremism!!! LOL
What credibility Pakistan enjoys in what it says and what it actually does is too well known. The recent statements of Mushy simply reiterate the deceitful and two face nature of how Pakistani’s conduct themselves.
I knew you had a problem in understanding the written word, BUT counting also?????
Military aid is just part of the aid that Pakistan is handed out.
The Kerry Lugar Bill itself amounts to a $7.5 billion CIVILIAN aid package!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/23/AR2010082305476.html
And rest is for what? Services rendered!!!!
The Pakistani sense of entitled begging never ceases to amaze me!
India supporting the US in the UN despite getting less aid.
Where is there an issue at all? If the issue is co-terminus with India’s interest obviously India will vote for it. If not then it will not.
Shias and Sunnis in Kashmiri:
Why a Shia was elected to the APHC leadership? Tokenism and an attempt to appease the Shias and present a face of unity in Kashmir.
I will again remind you of the ethnic breakup of Kashmir.
Jammu, Sambha and Katwa are where Hindus are in majority. Doda, Phirkuch and Rajouri dominated by Gujars, Sudhans and Rajas . The Kashmir Valley, which has a sunni Muslim majority. Kargil, which has Shia and Balti populations in majority, and Ladakh and adjoining areas with Buddhist majority.
So now can you give me your EXPLANATION why the majority of trouble, stone throwing etc take place in the KASHMIR VALLEY and NOT in the other areas as I have indicated?
What is so special about the Valley that the epicenter of all violence happens to be this region? Have you ever tried to analyse the reasons?
Every Pakistani is fed with the propaganda that Kashmir is one mass of Muslim support for Pakistan.
It is NOT, Kashmir is divided in many ethno-religious lines, and that is one of the most important factors why Pakistan makes little headway in Kashmir whether by using a military option or otherwise.
It bears endless repetition; the VALLEY is NOT J&K.
Let 100% of the population of the Valley come out in the streets for an agitation STILL they are not entitled to speak for the rest of Jammu and Kashmir who have very different ideas about their future.
Can you give me ONE example of ANY APHC leader with a mass base, Shia or Sunni, whatever pleases you, OUTSIDE THE VALLEY.
And ahh the Pakistani law of reciprocity surface again!
When it is anti-India, it the truth AND when it is anti-Pakistani, it is propaganda, fabrication, lies!!!!!!!!
WOW, the convenience of self delusion and self-rationalization!!!
Yaar what kind of a Pakistani are you!
Your foreign minister you dismiss as an idiot!
The PPP which is a very important part of Pakistan politics, YOU again dismiss as Indian supporters!!!!!
So who is the true blue Pak Patriot , YOU @Architect!!!!!!
HHHAAAH AA, this is beyond ridiculous. When you have no answer, rely on the easiest answers, label the source false!
The same can be done by me, all your links can be labeled as fabricated in Islamabad or Lahore.
But that’s the lazy way out, and there is no need to resort to it when the facts are available.
India and Israel:
What has India, the Kashmir issue got to do with either Israel or David Cameron?
Do I have to keep on repeating the same facts to you?
Kashmir is an issue between India and Pakistan since INDEPENDENCE ITSELF in 1947, BEFORE ISRAEAL WAS even formed or DAVID CAMERON WAS around.
Israel no Israel, Cameron or No Cameron, India’s position on Kashmir remains the same.
What does it matter what the UK says or not says? You think we need to be educated by the likes of Cameron on what Pakistan or Pakistanis are?
I really wonder why Pakistan looks at the white nations in such awe and expectation of a handout every time!
Similarities between Kashmir and Israel:
Your fantasies are free to fly anywhere.
Israel refuses to deal with or talk to HAMAS, the elected body of the Palestinian. It imposes an absolute embargo on the HAMAS and thus on the Palestinians. The movement of Palestinians is absolutely controlled by Israel.
The Kashmiris are free to go anywhere, live anywhere in India, and take whatever job they please, enjoy special status and protection.
YES, this does not mean they are free to take up arms or indulge in anti-national or disruptive activities.
The UN resolutions on Palestine are absolute .The UN resolutions on KASHMIR are conditional, chief of which requires a Pakistani withdrawal from the Kashmir it has occupied. Till it does that, the Pakistani statement on Kashmir is as hollow as most of its pronouncements usually are. Besides China was handed over parts of Pakistan controlled Kashmir, which alters the nature of the problem.
Did you hear about Shah Faisal, he is a Kashmiri , the first one to top the Civil Services Exam, one of the most prestigious exams in India and he will join the powerful Indian Administrative Service(IAS).
The guy’s father, was a teacher who had been shot by a jehadi terrorist JUST because he could not offer them hospitality at that time.
http://www.prlog.org/10666497-upsc-topper-from-kashmir.html
This is an example of just another Kashmiri who we stand indebted to for providing one more reason why Pakistan repeatedly fails in Kashmir, notwithstanding it machinations and local puppets here.
BTW Geelani withdrawing his protest against army camps was one of the very few sensible things he has done. But lets see how long. He and his kind thrive on blood, NOT Their own but that of the poor common Kashmiri.
Defense Days:
The attacks in west are much more important!
First they were payback for 1965 and second the damage was being caused to West Pakistan and not the East, a much more desirable thing.
Ahh the other eternal Pak Myth, that it was MUKTI BAHINI that won the 1971 war for India!!!!!
I usually ask one question here? Why did AK Niazi and 90,000 of his men surrender before an Indian General JS Aurora and not before the Mukti Bahini?
And I also wonder how is it more prestigious for the Pak army to ‘lose’ and ‘surrender’ en masse to lungi-clad fighters, most armed with nothing more than a rifle, than to the Indian Army.
And by the same token, HOW Pakistan has not been able to replicate the same with’ its jehadi’ support either in 1965 or beyond in Kashmir!!!!
Your favorite ‘chand sitara at Lal Chowkh in Kashmir!!
Bas woh ho gaya aur Kashmir fathah ho gaye!!! No wonder you guys have no problem in thinking and accepting the line that the Pakistani army lost to a bunch of civilians in 1971!!!!!!!!
Since our victory in Kashmir is fabricated I really wonder than what is the problem in Kashmir?
Bravo you have solved the Kashmir issue itself. Since in 1948 we could not defend ourselves, the ENTIRE J&K must still be with Pakistan! So what is the fight about I wonder?
Boy the delusions run deep in this one!!!!
Your own Air Chief of the Pakistan Air Force in 1965 calls the 1965 war a foolish, egotistical, aimless aggression on part of Pakistan and you guys still celebrate it as Defence Day! Wow!
Only the supreme Pakistani logic can allow such a thing!!!!!
Mig -21:
Hmm your inability to comprehend, analyze, understand rates of attrition, understand percentages, flying hours, geographical space etc etc is as strong as ever.
JF-17: AKA Chengdu FC-1 Xiaolong.
Let’s see, it has a Russian engine, Chinese design, and western avionics, is basically a modified FC-1 design. Project initiation was in 1991. Induction into PAF started in 2008-9. Numbers built as on date 14.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JF-17_Thunder
So the ALH Dhruv, initiated in 1984, inducted by 2002, more than 120 built in numbers, 9 foreign customers is a drag!!!!!
Nuclear safety and GSLV:
Ahh! the wonderful self assurance of mere words!
Seems you have nothing left to say now on the nuke issue!!!
And your comprehension on space technology is as lacking in depth as Pakistan space programme/technology and its understanding of applications of such technology.
Commonwealth games again!!!
While you are still bewailing the common wealth games, it’s the 5th day of the games now.
And going by your limited abilities, here’s explaining things to you again!
Only a fraction of the common wealth games expenditure spending was on stadiums, the majority has been spent on expansion of the Metro rail system, which provides cheap public transport, provides mobility to workers, expansion of the road infrastructure, building of one of the worlds largest airport terminals in Delhi and expansion of support services. All these have created thousands of new jobs.
Unlike you, who wait for handouts from your benefactors and the World Bank, we are building and investing in our future.
Unlike your Pervezes , Nawazes, Zardari who leave their billions abroad and the Pakistani elite who abandon Pakistan and flee abroad at the drop of a hat.
And the tin cans in space!!
Still have not got an answer, how we launch more tin cans in space than Pakistan has ever even seen close up in a life time.
And as a bonus we EARN One thousand Crore Rupees from space launch service and another THOUSAND CRORES EVERY YEAR more from providing space services to others!!!
‘On the commercial aspect, he said India currently earns about Rs. 1,000 crore through commercial satellite launches.”Through Indian remote sensing satellite and through other satellite launches, we are getting revenue of Rs. 1,000 crore per year. This is growing at the rate of 20 to 30 per cent every year,” Mr. Veeraraghavan said.’
http://www.spacemart.com/reports/ISRO_To_Launch_Four_Satellites_In_December_999.html
NOT bad for tin cans!!!!!!!
And cold hard cash and money saved is infinitely more preferable from to just a lot of hot air emanating from you.
Save that hot air, perhaps it can a hot air balloon to take aloft Pakistani satellites into space!!!!!
Developmental Challenges on the ALH:
Why do I have to spoon feed this guy?
Was the AH 64 the First helicopter that USA ever built? How much backing the US helicopter industry and decades and decades of experience the US has?
Against this, the fact that India has in two decades, built 120 helicopters and sold it to 9 countries is a big deal for us.
Still silent on Turkey’s helicopter crash on its first testing flight itself!!!
Or perhaps like the jehadi who will turn bullet proof by shouting fake malnourished Indian soldier, the Pak army /air force will counter the ALH by shouting, he buddy, you got developmental issue, crash damn you crash!!!!
If the customers want a cheap helicopter, they will buy Chinese, NO ONE can beat them on Price at least!
And talking of cheap goods, that is exactly what you are doing with your JF-17!
‘for a low-cost, medium-technology, multi-role combat aircraft’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JF-17_Thunder
So beta , I have again tried to explain why building 120 Dhruv helicopters is a success.
Yet like the child who wants only ‘that’ toy, who no matter what else is being told to him, will jump only for ‘that’ toy. Thus all you can do is keep on crying ,no ,no how can it be, Dhruv is bad, bad helicopter!!!
If you had that many helicopters you would not be scrambling around everyone to provide you helicopters for use in the recent flood disaster)
http://www.china.org.cn/world/2010-09/21/content_20985197.htm
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/Pakistan_takes_delivery_of_first_aid_helicopter.html?cid=28373348
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N27102880.htm
Last Chance Aircraft:
Once again this chap shouts out loud, I am an idiot with a serious disability in understanding the written word.
It seems self delusion is worse than drugs!
Its LCH!!! where did you get the idea of the LCA.
And it was initiated in 2006.
OK baby, let repeat, L for Light, C for Combat and H for helicopter
Didn’t you see the video link I posted of its fist flight earlier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxASWK4eyuQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Light_Combat_Helicopter
So how are you going to combat it, shout crash, crash, damn you crash before it or are you going to attempt to shame it to death by calling it cheap!!!!!
Indian Navy Rejected ALH:
So where do these 8 come from!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Naval_Air_Arm
1965 war again!!!!
The only one’s having to create stories and myths are Pakistani’s.How else will they reassure themselves and justify a war called ‘foolish and egotistical’ aggression by their own Pak air-force chief in 1965.
Probably another Pakistani belief that by TV interviews and parades they are going to win the next war!!! Fat good it did to Pakistan in 1971!!!
Thats all that Pakistan does !!After any war scavenging around to gather information as to how in fact, they suffered less, how they actually won the war, how they inflicted more damage etc etc!
This Bahenaey baazi or excuse making seems to another enduring ‘fitrat ‘of Pakistani’s!
Operation Dwarka:
Can’t you read!!!!
The Pakistan navy launched an attack on Dwarka, there was NO opposing force there, so where is the question of being outnumbered.
So when you end up bombing empty space what else can you do but invent quaint myths and celebrate it as Pakistan Navy Day!
PNS Ghazi:!
The Indian Navy finished off whatever was there of the Pak Navy in the East and in Dacca. Only one gunboat, PN Rajshahi escaped destruction by running away to a neutral port!!!!! It did not even stay to fight back with their other comrades against the advancing Indian forces!!!!
So what was Ghazi keeping at Bay till it sank !!!!
1965 yet again! Who was the aggressor?
This guy had to be fed and fed and fed! OK baby spoon feeding time again!
‘And they misled the nation with a big lie that India rather than Pakistan had provoked the war and that we were the victims of Indian aggression”, Air Marshal Khan said.’
http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/06/nat2.htm
If you still do not get, then you probably are an imbecile!
‘This would have held the hands of the adventurers who followed Gen Ayub. Since the 1965 war was based on a big lie and was presented to the nation a great victory, the Army came to believe its own fiction and has used since’
http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/06/nat2.htm
FICTION ,GET it!
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fiction
No wonder you guys have to take recourse on fantasies of civilian’s routing effeminate Indian soldiers.
Maybe you should have sent these civilians instead of the SSG and infiltrators into Kashmir in 1965 .Perhaps they would have lived to tell their tales.
OR perhaps in 1971 when the great Pak army, instead of fighting on before harmless effeminate soldier (or lungi clad Mukti-Bahini , if you so wish) surrendered in a record 90,000 number. The highest post WW2 surrenders by any army).
Come on, seriously, you guys really believe the civilians story as true!!!!!
What else do they tell you guys!!!!Have you ever given it thought that, to put it mildly, it may be at the least, be grossly exaggerated.
HAHAHAH Pakistani Army joining up for sacrifices!!! Can’t say about the poor Pakistani sepoy, but your officers join up only to aspire to be ‘crore’ commanders!!!!
Unlike the Indian Army which is under total civilian control, the Pakistan Army is a law unto itself. The corruption of the Pak army is legendary.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/03/pakistan-taliban-military-swat
To die with honour is to die for a just cause, not on foolish quests for power and ego as is done by your army. Have you read PAF Air Marshal Nur Khan’s article I have posted.
Kargil Hero Killed:
Facts and not sensational headlines are important.
”Amjad Khan was in the Army but he was dismissed and received no pension after 10 years of service,”
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cops-killed-Kargil-war-hero-in-encounter/articleshow/6453936.cms
Unknown graves in Kashmir:
Your ex-great dictator , Pervez Mushy himself has confirmed the statement of the police officer.
Sexual Harassment:
Considering 1.2 Million man army and the number of such case are miniscule.
Any country’s civilian society would present much worse figures!
BTW where is your take on Pervez Musharaf defending a Pak army rapist!
Was there even a show of inquiry then?
1971: Have I not told you already it was a fortuitous presentation of circumstance to pay back Pakistan for its antics and infiltration tactics in Kashmir in 1965 .
You try to foment rebellion in a part of India, and then expect that there will be no payback?
Operation Parakaram:
Typical Pakistani response that Indian killed equals to Pakistani victory.
OK education time again! Assuming you do follow events.
The extended border deployment in 2002-3, had a salutary effect on the suppression of ARMED insurgency in Kashmir. It is AFTER this deployment that the famous confidence building measure of Mushy came about. The Bus ride from Muzzafarabad to Srinagar, cease fire on the LOC, peace talks etc etc.
One of the greatest criticisms to Mushy was , he gave too much away on Kashmir without getting anything back from India.
In fact since 2003 there was a dramatic fall in armed insurgency.
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=55961
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SP136210.htm
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gWvst8kjaTTjQaHqDXd8SqVQs5Kg
You also forget with the Indian Army, the Pakistan army too had to be deployed as a counter for an extended period. This requires a lot of resources and money. A lot of the economic problems and chaos faced by Pakistan today are also linked to the large diversion of resources to the military. India with it much larger resources did not feel the impact as it was felt on Pakistan.
No sacrifice of an Indian soldier has gone in vain. IN fact it is felt India got its way without firing a shot across the LOC.
The decline of the Pak position in Kashmir was another reason why Mushy became so unpopular in his recent years.
And so here we are today in Kashmir, when Pak failing with the AK 47 has now moved to the ‘emotional’ tactics of young boys facing a huge army with stone!
Pakistani flag raised :
Aw come on! when are you going to raise it beyond Lal Chowk!!!!
Certainly the best pro-India photo I see. After all such freedom is accorded only in a democracy!!!
Who spreads that vile propaganda that Kashmiri’s do not have free will? See they are exercising their freedom of expression!
Let them do it yaar, help them blow up some steam and vent their and your frustration.
Chalo aur kahin nahin,to lal chowk mein hein fahra dein Pak ka flag!!!lol
Pak restricting data from Mullah:
Let the drama continue!!!!
Why not restrict the NATO helicopters shooting your men just some days ago!!!!
You guys are real dramabaaz !I really wonder how long will the Pak army able to fool the people of pakistan.
Geelani Pro Hindustani!! since when!!!! Are you mad!!!
Azadi due to religion was YOUR idea of freedom, which was proved wrong barely two decades after your idea of freedom took place.
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Y R U MAKING UR FUN AGAIN AND AGAIN BY POSTING ILLOGICAL AND BASELESS THNGS…THIS GUY FROM INDIA HAVE MUCH GREATER KNOWLEDGE THAN U.SO PLZZ STOP MAKING FUN OF URSELF(MAN U R COMPARING PAK WITH INDIA-ISNT A JOKE ITSELF?)
@ hindustani pride,
No, the only joke here is people like you who come on to these kinds of sites and happily try posting up lies. I would ask you to read some of the links that I have provided showing how much of a joke your ‘country’ is, but clearly from your standards of English that would be asking a little too much from you. So instead you just take a ‘tight sleep’ and keep being a spectator!
A
Rajik,
You are a complete joker…
You have been literally humiliated by Archi…
You have posted on 100 different topics and each one got smacked back in your face.
Better luck next time!
@ rajik
@ Pakistani pride….
u two losers indianz have so much tyme commenting on dese links…
if u dont agree why da hell u losers get lost from this site n never show ur face again…..
farigh indian assholes…ur country is nothing but shyt….go to ur Mama n daddy israel n america…
n do ur posting losers!!!
You have deliberately skipped one thing that 2% People in Kashmir want to join Pakistan ! when 21% People in Kashmir want to join India
Why did you deliberately skip the most important Point in Chatham House Report that only 2% People of Kashmir want to join Pakistan ???
Is it again some sort of Taqiyya ???
Hans Ronnit Singh
Amritsar , Punjab
India
@ Hans Ronnit,
Is this more masterful Hindustani invention? How exactly did you deduce that only 2% of Kashmiris want to join Pakistan?!
Are they the same 2% who, year after year, appear in the streets and shout pro-Pakistan slogans while being shot at by your security forces? Funny how the patriotic 98% don’t come out chanting in favour of Hindustan now, isn’t it?!
Perhaps instead of trying desperately to look at the stats in a way that pleases your ego, you should instead pour yourself a nice, hot, steaming glass of REALITY.
A
@ rajk,
It’s funny how it’s only you who seems to have a problem with double-posting; perhaps you try to compensate for nonsensical arguments by posting them twice. I couldn’t care less either way – as I said, Pakistanis don’t have the same ‘length’ issues that bug you guys throughout your adult lives!
Despite ongoing challenges, Pakistan is still posting economic growth – this in itself is a resounding success in light of the multiple threats that the country faces, not least of all from a paranoid eastern neighbour whose very national fabric is born purely out of hatred for Pakistanis. You have read the news like a small child who for the first time has learnt how empowering it is to read something: after a one-off NATO strike, which resulted in the deaths of two Pakistani soldiers, the US was forced to apologise when Islamabad flexed its muscles by shutting off the crucial energy route into Afghanistan.
Pay attention, because this lesson is purely for you.
The above incident – which was the first of its kind – is a far cry from your Bollywood delusions of ‘NATO/US forces…attacking across the border and killing Pak forces.’ I know that you come from a part of the world where sleeping with the master white race is the primary key to getting ahead; this has been the regional psyche of that part of the world for centuries. But as your own ’soldiers’ have learnt for themselves, the blood of a Pakistani sepahi is precious – and despite the current series of crises within the country, the leadership was still able to convey that to the world. So actually when you look at it like a mature adult, the reality is the exact opposite of what you claim. Massive surprise there then.
In light of this, your views about the IP pipeline can’t really be taken all that seriously. Again, you’re suffering from ‘Defence Journal Withdrawal Symptoms’; the only cure is for you to fall back on linking everything to ‘Grand Slam’ with the three or four links that you have learnt by heart!
Why do Hindustan’s energy failures give me comfort? History has shown that it’s usually the rest of the world leading the way in helping your miserable, starving, poor people, rather than your own Brahmin rulers. You’re clearly upset because you don’t like being told the truth, but deal with it. The simple fact is that, true to its foundations of hatred and incoherent fear, Hindustan is shying away from the IP deal purely in an attempt to score a point over Pakistan. So once again…good luck with that! The world is watching while your superb engineers and labourers get cracking on that underwater route from the Middle East! Are we placing bets on how many of your guys manage to blow themselves up while working on it?
There’s no need for you to wish you could ‘post twice again’, because not only do you indulge in double-posts, you’re also basically copy-and-pasting your previous work repeatedly for want of any new points. I feel bad for making those sarcastic comments about Defence Journal now; you’re clearly struggling without it, and your arguments have become even more drab now that you have to look elsewhere. You’re going to need more than childish comments about Pakistan to prove to me that we are in a worse state than you are – so far I have thrown fact upon fact at you, highlighting how ‘failing’ Pakistan is performing better in poverty reduction than ’shining’ Hindustan, and I’m yet to see any response from you other than ‘yes we have poverty boss, but we have a free press boss, blah blah blah…’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Hunger_Index#Ranking
Take a look – tomorrow’s superpower Hindustan is more malnourished than Ruanda and Burkina Faso. Let me guess – ’so what?’ Is this the same as your energy crisis, ie another sign of an emerging power?! Does that mean we should get ready to welcome Ruanda as a world power as well? LOL!
I wish you could take a walk through the cafes in Pakistan and see how much amusement the Commonwealth Games has caused. Yes congratulations, the games were a complete success! After the whole world, ONCE AGAIN, was forced to highlight your own failures to you and threaten you with the embarrassing prospect of the games being cancelled, your self-absorbed leaders finally managed to cobble something together. It wasn’t that long ago that you were talking nonsense about Popinder the boxer, lol…and your whole country, with almost a decade to prepare for these few weeks, would have failed completely without international support! And you’re comparing that to a routine tussle within the Pakistani contingent for the honour of bearing the flag?! It takes a Hindustani fantasist to see both in the same light, seriously. By the way, one of your sources also has an interesting story about the legendary (!) Hindustani sense of hospitality.
Crowd in India during CWG was abusive: Pak hockey captain
http://cwg.ndtv.com/commonwealth/article/id/spoen20100157102/type/latest/Crowd-India-during-CWG-was-abusive-Pak-hockey-captain.html
Hardly a major surprise from a nation that welcomed the world with faeces-covered rooms and rabid dogs roaming the streets.
No answers to the Hindustani growth story?! Didn’t I just refute your lame argument with a statistical comparison to Sub-Saharan Africa? How much more of an answer do you need, boy? What a fool…YOU were the one who decided to quote GDP stats as an example of your ’shining’ success; you understand that much, right? I mean, your malnourished brain can digest that much information, that this line of argument was YOUR idea, right? All I did was to remind you of your unwashed hundreds of millions (mainly non-Hindus and Dalits) by quoting the same figure but PER CAPITA – which of course brings the truth of your ’successes’ crashing down to earth. There is a plethora of Sub-Saharan African countries that are performing better than Hindustan on a per capita basis; trust me, at this rate I won’t be the only one ‘howling’ at your poverty – you will soon, once again, need the rest of the world to come knocking on your door, CWG-style.
The subject of faked encounters within the Hindustani ‘army’ is dragging on now, and your repeated failures to adequately deal with it are beginning to embarrass even me. Stop whining about sources and links. Stop throwing up shoddy, nonsensical comebacks from Balochi bloggers. As I’ve asked you many times now, just BE A MAN and give me SINGLE report of Pakistani soldiers REPEATEDLY staging fake encounters to award themselves undeserved medals. Either that, or just quietly let it pass, and I’ll be generous enough to drop the matter. Don’t be an idiot by posting multiple links all leading to the same report; it takes me ten seconds to work that out, and it only serves to further undermine your fragile Hindustani mentality. You’re not posting messages to a fellow brainwashed Brahmin this time; your links are being checked and examined, and you are consistently failing to produce an adequate answer here.
Here you are – to offer some assistance, I’ve even made the effort to find you YET ANOTHER story about Hindustani ’soldiers’ faking encounters; THIS is the kind of thing I’m looking for.
Major sacked over Siachen fake killings
http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/61325/
You on board now, little man?
What in the world are you trying to achieve by differentiating between the ‘federation’ and the ’state’? I put both words in speech quotes, because in reality nobody in the world really thinks Hindustanis grasp either concept – they are accustomed to being a colony, and nothing more. Where the hell did I make mention of Zardari here? Why did the case have to leave Gujarat in the first place? How shameless can somebody be, absolving a state made up of rapists and monsters by hiding behind the ‘federation’? Why not just go all the way and wash your hands of the whole sordid massacre by bleating ‘ohhh, the federal government never sanctioned it’? And none of this for a second even suggests that these poor, violated victims will ever see a kernel of justice at ‘federal’ level either. Just because puerile dreamers like you seem to think so, there isn’t much to suggest that the Gujarat victims (among others) will ever see justice.
Violence runs through this ’stable’ India, built on poverty and injustice
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/07/terrorism.islam
“To take one example, the names of the politicians, businessmen, officials and policemen who colluded in the anti-Muslim pogrom in Gujarat in 2002 are widely known. Some of them were caught on video, in a sting carried out last year by the weekly magazine Tehelka, proudly recalling how they murdered and raped Muslims. But, as Amnesty International pointed out in a recent report, justice continues to evade most victims and survivors of the violence. Tens of thousands still languish in refugee camps, too afraid to return to their homes.”
Take a look through the rest of the article, if your english is up to it; it’ll shed some more light on the standard paranoias of the Brahmin elites of which you seem to be a proud member. Amazing what you learn when you venture beyond Defence Journal, isn’t it?
In Pakistan, the courts are being lauded as independent and assertive, capable of bringing down a military ruler and penning in a wayward government. Again, it’s laughable to try to compare Islamabad’s Apex Court with that in Hindustan; rampant corruption and stubborn leaders are heavenly problems compared to routine, large-scale ethnic cleansing and state-sponsored terrorism, which is more the norm in your part of the world. Sorry mate, no comparison. And if the best link you have to counter that comes from an Islamophobic website (notice how ‘FaithFreedom’ only seems to target Islam), then I can only pity you. Perhaps I should look up some extremist wahhabi sites to give you an ‘informed’ opinion about Hindustanis!
Spare me your vacuous speeches on ‘Pakistani perspective’; you are a typical Hindustani, trying to sweep the embarrassments of Bhopal under the carpet, just as you try to turn your back on the hundreds of millions of starving beggars who can’t even find a toilet in your country. Take a look through this article and tell me, is there really a greater example of a government ‘bending over’ for the white man than the one in New Delhi?
Bhopal verdict puts focus on nuclear drive
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LF09Df04.html
“Conspicuous by its absence in the list of guilty was the name of UCC’s then-chief executive officer, Warren Anderson. Anderson figured in the initial list of the accused and he was arrested a few days after the disaster, but then released on bail, which he jumped and fled, never to return to face trial. Activists claim his exit was facilitated by the Indian and US governments.”
That’s right; your own ‘government’ helped your white overlord skip bail. Nice work.
There’s more!
“All Indians, those declared guilty by the court were at the time of the disaster senior employees of UCC’s India subsidiary, Union Carbide India Ltd (UCIL). Among them is UCIL’s then non-executive chairman, Keshub Mahindra. Eighty-five-year old Mahindra is today chairman of Mahindra and Mahindra Ltd, a major automobile and tractor manufacturer.”
So much for your ’shining’ pride in the Hindustani automobile industry; isn’t this Mahindra guy one of the billionaires you wheel out whenever you want to show your national ’successes’?
What a joke your so-called ‘Supreme Courrt’ is; making a mockery of those dead workers. But as you took great pleasure in telling me, the majority of them were Muslims…hmm…what does that tell you then?
Comparing this to the deaths of TWO Pakistani soldiers is, once again, ridiculous bordering on pathetic. Why are you so quiet on the deaths of British and Canadian soldiers, who have been killed in similar accidents without such a firm reaction? What does your ‘Grand Slam’ link tell you about that then?!
It seems our friend ‘Steve’ is a Hindustani ‘army’ man after all. How do I know? Because here you are, claiming victory for apparently having made me admit that ‘raiders’ crossed from Pakistan into Kashmir in 1948. The funny thing is, though, that there is no evidence of me ever having denied it. Are you awarding yourself for a fake encounter?! Stop the press, we have another Hindustani war hero here! You fool. How much more proof do you really need that your brutal Maharaja managed to instigate the revolt all by himself?
KASHMIR – The Dispute That Continues to Rock South Asia
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_60661.shtml
“Decisions by several Muslim rulers for accession of their states to Pakistan that had Hindu majorities (Hyderabad, Junagadh and Manavadar being cases in point) were rejected on the grounds that a Muslim ruler did not have the right to overrule the will of the Hindu majority population. But the decision of the Hindu Raja of the princely state of Kashmir, which was predominantly a Muslim majority state and should have acceded to Pakistan, was immediately accepted by the British viceroy and the Indian government, despite a popular Kashmiri revolt against his decision.”
Now I have to ask you again, because I know your no-colonial, call-centre english has a little trouble with some big words…is there any part of the above passage which you have difficulty in understanding? The crisis was precipitated by a popular revolt AGAINST THE MAHARAJA’S DECISION. Armed support certainly did come from other parts of Pakistan – but only to support a movement that was already in mid-flow. So tell me, ‘Steve’, since I have never deviated from the above argument, where exacly is this victory that you claim to have? Sounds like another Hindustani ‘air force’ pilot…lol…
Now it seems SAS Geelani has earned the epithet of ‘poor chap’ as well. For some reason this has suddenly become your favourite expression, because you seem to be using it to describe everyone now. Remind me again, how exactly is Geelani ‘flip-flopping’? Or is that the bulk of your evidence, one single statement he made, in which he hinted at frustration for Pakistan’s lack of support? But wait a minute – according to you, Pakistan has been behind all the recent agitation…isn’t that right?
So which one is it, ‘Steve’? Tell me, is Pakistan offering no support to the Kashmiris, or is Islamabad fully behind all the recent expressions of popular resentment? I just need to know which of these two myths brings you Hindustanis more comfort, because either way it won’t be too hard to make a mockery of your sub-standard level of knowledge on the matter. With every reply you offer, it becomes increasingly clear why your own Prime Minister was so ’shocked’ to realise how hated Hindustan is among the common people of Kashmir.
What the hell does the make-up of the APHC have to do with all this? Again, the same miserable Zionist mentality…instead of looking at the issues that are staring you in the face, you try to busy yourself with these pointless, irrelevant questions. What if the APHC were divided into 500 different factions? Does that have any bearing on the routine state-terrorism that Hindustanis wreak upon unarmed protesters?
Okay, so here is yet another victory that you allegedly claimed over me. LOL…now when I look back on this Youtube clip, I can see why our pilots were so amused at the statements your ‘pilots’ made about having shot them down.
PAF 1965 BBC Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2ueJJKJgqE
I am nothing compared to these men, but at least I can understand their amusement now – here you are, fabricating victories out of nothing, carrying on the proud traditions of your ancestors. As I asked you, what is the comparison between Azad Kashmir and IOK? Can you kindly post me a link which reports hundreds of protesters being gunned down in Muzaffarabad? How’s about soldiers murdering a few schoolboys and dressing them up as terrorists to award themselves some medals, can you dig out some info on that happening in Azad Kashmir please? This is the second time I’m asking you this…the first time I asked you, you somehow turned it into a victory, so only God knows how you’re going to celebrate being asked the same question again.
Why are you massaging your own ego by trying to taunt me with this ‘come over to Srinagar’ rubbish? Again, according to you we are already in Srinagar…according to you, all those 9-year-old children who are being shot dead are actually ISI agents, working deep undercover…so again, are we in Srinagar or are we not? LOL – tell you what…take some time to think it over, let me know when you’ve sorted your argument out.
Having said that, whichever way you look at it, it is kind of funny to compare your impotent taunts with the gestures of the Kashmiris…you have finally accepted that the flags being flown in Lal Chowk are Pakistani – what greater expression of loyalty is there than waving a national flag in the city centre of a province’s capital? LOL…something else for you to think about, ‘Steve’!
Sorry pal, Musharraf is not offering anything new in his interview. For Hindustanis like you, who are desperate to find even a scrap of evidence pointing to outside involvement in the Kashmir freedom movement, this kind of stuff I’m sure is very comforting for your nerves. I’m pretty sure that Musharraf is referring to recent history…not 1948! Or maybe he did ‘form militant underground groups’ to fight Hindustan when he was five years old! LOL…you see, when you skip around an issue and fish out random interviews which bear no relevance to the subject matter, you only end up making a fool of yourself (yet again). Furthermore, if Musharraf’s word is gospel, why are you so shy on his reference to Hindustani impotence in trying to solve the issue? No comments about that, then? No…all you have to offer is your Bollywood-indoctrinated crap about ‘Johnny Jehadis’…it makes the world cringe when you guys try to mimic US terminology, and it’s even more nauseating to think that this is the description you use for defenceless schoolboys and vulnerable women.
Why are you wasting my time dragging me down into a comparison between China and Hindustan? I give you a simple fact – that Hindustan is nothing compared to China or Japan – and you reply with these petty points about the export of small cars, lol. Get back to reality, son:
- China and Japan both have larger economies than Hindustan; by most estimates, Japan’s GDP is approximately THREE times that of yours (so much for your rubbish about a country’s size being the determining factor)
- Per capita, Japan’s GDP is OVER TEN TIMES MORE than Hindustan’s (an important statistic for non-Hindustanis, who don’t just measure the success of the Brahmins)
- China’s forex reserves are – yes, once again – OVER TEN TIMES MORE than those of Hindustan; despite being a much larger country, it still scores far better in its per capita GDP, more than twice as much as the average Hindustani
- China and Japan dominate the list of Asia’s steel producers; Hindustan’s main producer cannot even come close to South Korea’s POSCO
- China and Japan’s combined automobile production for 2009 was…you guessed it…OVER TEN TIMES MORE than that of Hindustan!
So if you have managed to dig up some anecdote about little cars having more success in Hindustan than in China or whatever, well good for you! LOL! The plain facts are never too hard to find. Hey, maybe you can find a certain gearstick or a particular type of clutch pedal that Hindustan produces more than China, who knows! Good luck with your search!
And I’m the guy with the complex…I don’t know how you define ‘fetishes’, but it’s actually quite normal for people to look at economies in terms of per capita GDP, rather than making idiots of themselves with abstract statements about ’supply and demand’! LOL did you read that in a BJP leaflet somewhere?!
Pakistan’s leaders will never be as great as the common Pakistanis, but we can always assure ourselves that even the greatest criminals in Islamabad are angels compared to the zoo in New Delhi. When your leaders drink their own urine, sleep with their grand daughters and completely fail to stop their country’s problems from becoming full-blown crises, how can Hindustanis stick their heads up from their sewers and point fingers even at Zardari, the biggest crook in Pakistan?
I am relieved and proud that there are indeed no similarities between Pakistani and Hindustani courts. As I mentioned before, our Supreme Court is currently the pride of the country, and is known for its assertive vibrancy. Gathering together a rabble of public school educated Hindustanis who’ve watched a few US legal dramas and dressing them up in funny wigs doesn’t give you a proper court, my friend; and so far I am yet to have seen any examples of justice or even basic competence to come from the ‘Supreme Court’ in New Delhi. It’s almost too funny to even think that you call it that! Hafiz Saaed was released in Pakistan after the Supreme Court couldn’t find any evidence against him; that provoked a lot of diarrhoea from the all powerful, all furious, self-styled superpower Hindustan – have you seen even a hint that our Chief Justice cares? Come to think of it, is there any evidence at all that any Pakistani cares how much you cry? What else could we ask for from our Apex Court? Yet another reminder that our victory in 1947 is a victory every day for us.
‘Repetition’ is pretty much the only thing you seem to be good at. Who the hell are you, a self-conscious Brahmin, to talk on behalf of Hindustani Muslims? Do you think a few token platitudes about ‘love and patriotism’ are enough to smother a history of relentless bloodshed? Apparently the Hindustani Muslim is a second class citizen but nonetheless ‘he’ gets justice over there. Why ‘he’? Are Hindustani Muslim women even lower down the pecking order than their male counterparts? In a country obsessed with caste status, that’s no major surprise.
Muslim women bore the brunt of Hindus’ Gujarat rampage
http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/DD19Df04.html
This is the ugly face of that backward part of the world; quite frankly the details are too physically sickening for most human beings to digest, but since you’re in constant need of reminders about the filthy animals who give your ‘country’ an identity, let’s look a little closer:
“Said Syeda Hameed of the Muslim Women’s Forum: “At the best of times, victims of sexual violence do not have the confidence to approach the police, let alone walk the long path to evidence gathering and getting justice.”
So congratulations on cobbling together a couple of token success stories…while pseudo-intellectuals like you hail the massacres and gang rapes as a victory for ‘democracy’ and a ‘free media’, countless women remain scarred forever by the sick tragedy of ‘developed’ Hindustan, without even a viable recourse to express their pain. Nowhere in THE WORLD, let alone poor Pakistan, does such gruesome activity take place on such an industrial scale, and you have the nerve to use these downtrodden people as a false symbol of your religious harmony. Trust me, aside from fending off your bloodthirsty army from Day One, Pakistanis never felt greater relief and gratitude for Pakistan than on the numerous occasions when your ‘patriotic’ chums indulged in yet another spout of rape, arson and murder against a defenceless community. Try and bring your rape brigades to the doorsteps of Lahore and Multan – they will be torn to ribbons like the animals that they are. Had there been even an ounce of secularism in that massive toilet called Hindustan, the people of ‘East Pakistan’ would have come back to you with arms wide open – as it so happens, they chose (wisely) to remain independent. The only modification to the Two-Nation theory is that it should in fact have been a Multi-Nation Theory – the Sikhs of Amritsar were made all too aware of that in 1984.
Ah, speaking of Bangladesh…this really has to be the best part of your post. I feel a little bad, because you got all proud and happy for Bengalis, under the belief that I would somehow be provoked…lol. Bangladesh is actually progressing on many fronts, with a strong, capable workforce and an assertive judiciary. There are no religious pogroms to compare to those seen in Hindustan, and no overt border disputes with any of the country’s neighbours. Having said that, Bangladesh’s per capita GDP is far lower than Pakistan’s, and on the Poverty Index it ranks as one of the world’s worst performers, languishing among a handful of backward African countries – but still considerably ahead of Hindustan (no major surprise there).
But here’s the heartbreaking bit for you – most Pakistanis wish the very best for Bangladesh, and hope to see it progress into a fully developed country. Which is a shame, because you put so much effort into your research! It’s always amusing to compare the attitudes of Pakistanis regarding 1971 to the attitudes of Hindustanis regarding 1947 – we pray for a strong Bangladesh which can defend itself against an insecure western neighbour, whereas you guys still wet yourselves at our victory in 1947, and to this day you try to cover up your own multiple national failures by pointing fingers across the border. I can tell I upset you by reminding you of the victory that our independence gives us every day, but seriously, how in the world can we feel a ’slap’ when we look at the abysmal social indicators in modern-day Hindustan? Should I feel upset because I’ve missed out on the religious persecutions, the crippling AIDS epidemic, the backward, archaic village practices, the raging insurgencies? Is that meant to fill me with regret that we won our battle for independence? I don’t think so!
It’s only a Hindustani who can refer to dried urine as ‘hyped up media reports’…I don’t have any recollection of the rooms in Beijing being smeared with crap, do you? As I said, you guys should spend more time reassessing your dubious hygene standards instead of looking into Central Asian energy politics.
Turkmenistan and Pakistan Join CAREC as Central Asia Partnership Looks to 2020
http://www.adb.org/Media/Articles/2010/13382-central-asian-regional-cooperations/default.asp?p=pakmain
While you’re working out which Brahmin ran off with all your CWG money, there are major developments taking place in Central Asia which have pretty much nothing to do with Hindustan. In fact, your own schoolboy knowledge of the region is enough of a sign of how out of the loop your ‘country’ is. It’s time to accept that your beloved US, the father of all your successes, is in fact not a major player in this region at all.
Putin’s Dream: An Energy Superpower
http://www.rethink-dispatches.com/essays/putin%E2%80%99s-dream-an-energy-superpower/
“As the United States headed into its worst financial crash since Herbert Hoover, Russia waged a victorious little war in Georgia, showing Mikheil Saakashvili to be a feckless upstart and NATO as an outdated alliance. Now, amid talk of a new cold war, Russia is reclaiming its sphere of influence across old Soviet lands and beyond.”
Central Asia is a cultural and economic hub in its own right, of which Pakistan is very much a part. That has nothing to do with China or Gwadar, or anything else that you mentioned…lol, it’s always scary when a schoolboy raised on comic books tries to test his sheltered views out on the real world – but it’s not the first time you’ve made a fool of yourself here. As I mentioned earlier, stick to shoddy footbridges – Central Asia is a big place, no time for call centres over there!
I don’t think I have so far shown even an iota of knowledge regarding Bollywood, so I’m not sure how you see fit to brag about its influence on Pakistanis. Most of us view it as tasteless, semi-pornographic trash, fit mainly for downtrodden Hindustanis who have nothing else in their lives to look forward to. I only mention it because it seems to be the source of most of your delusional viewpoints. Couldn’t you work that out for yourself? Take the Maoist insurgency. While you’re busy impressing yourself with your third-rate ‘armchair general’ assessment of guerilla warfare, there are others out there who actually know what they’re talking about who deem the threat to be far greater.
The Maoist Insurgency in India
http://iaoj.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/the-maoist-insurgency-in-india/
“Martyrs are created in numbers, such as those of Kursam Lakhi and Sukki Modiyam of the village of Pedda Korma, raped and killed by the forces of the Salway Judum militia and their police counterparts on February 6, 2005 (The Observer, Mar 29, 2009). The Naxal messages of land and wealth redistribution hold a natural attraction.”
HUGE surprise – Hindustani ’security forces’ using rape as a tool of repression. Yes, us Pakistanis really feel a ’slap’ at missing out on such a civilised society. Do they teach you guys this at nursery or something?
“Chidambaram is confident that the insurgency will be put down in two or three years. This will be difficult, given the Naxalite rise from conventional guerrilla force to something approximating to an army.”
So much for your self-absorbed expertise – as I keep telling you, the Maoist threat is GETTING WORSE. That is because your ‘country’ is made up of people like you and your ignorant Union Minister, whispering soothing words of comfort to yourselves while the Maoists make mincemeat of your ’security forces’. But if it makes you feel better posting such stupidity to me, then keep it up my friend!
Why are you telling me about the Shivaji Stadium? I couldn’t care less about it, I simply highlighted your failure to get it ready for the Commonwealth Games, despite having years of preparation time. No fascination there I’m afraid…other than the standard fascination at Hindustanis who pretend that they live in a ’superpower’!
The number of tribal people affected by reform laws is not ‘incidental’, you fool – in fact the number is of PARAMOUNT importance. I know you can’t understand that; I give you numerous examples of victimised, persecuted Hindustani Muslims, and you reply by bragging about a handful of rich ones. This is just the legendary Brahmin tradition of serving up a few token numbers, but it cuts no ice with the rest of the world. Given that your ‘country’ seems to be regressing rather than progressing in the field of social development, I can’t see these reform laws affecting any significant number within the disaffected tribal community. But you can always fall back on rape and oppression, which I have to admit you guys have perfected. It doesn’t really bother me when you babble on resentfully about Pakistan’s human rights issues; we would have to stoop far lower than where we are now to even come close to the monstrosities that litter the history of your cursed ‘country’.
You’re right, I can’t really tell you much more about Kashmir. I have posted links, offered stats, tried to educate you, but your BJP-sponsored indoctrination is impossible to permeate. Instead you prefer to busy yourself with mindless commentary about Geelani’s hospital appointments and a few random sentences that he utters about Pakistan. Even these are torn down by my links, and now you’re making obscure comments about Nawaz, Kiyani and Pervez – which mean nothing, really. Come back to me with actual facts like a man, if you really want to continue discussing this.
You’re pathetic boast about Geelani’s ‘access to the media’ shows that you really aren’t paying attention to my links. I would advise that you try reading them, to save yourself future embarrassment.
India buries dissent in Kashmir
http://www.hlrecord.org/opinion/india-buries-dissent-in-kashmir-1.1009235
“A democracy which suppresses dissent by means of violence is the most vulgar form of democracy, if at all it can be called ‘democracy’. The successful attempt by the Indian state to keep the Indian populace in the dark about such damning reports questions the validity of its claim to be the largest functional, pluralistic democracy.”
Another success for you…media suppression. I’ve been wrong all this time – you guys are good at a few things!
Betting money on malnourished Hindustani soldiers is never a bad idea actually – the Azad Kashmiris and the Pathans did just that in 1948, which is why your ’soldiers’ were denied over a third of the province which you claim is your own. Hmm, now who was the loser in that one, eh? LOL! Your ‘army’ of rapists and murderers weren’t making such nauseating claims about ‘Johnny Jehadis’ back then, were they? They were too busy getting spanked along the LOC by a bunch of farmers and tribesmen. I don’t remember any involvement from the CIA back then. But hey…if it makes you feel like a proper white man by using outdated 80s phrases like ‘Johnny Jehadi’, then you keep it up!
There’s always something a little depressing about people who try to copy superior cultures and pass it off as their own. The line about arranging the meeting between terrorists and God is a tired, sad joke that has its origins in US rhetoric after the World Trade Centre attacks. It was a passing comment made by a US general which received a bit of media attention before it melted away into obscurity; obviously the Hindustani ‘forces’, no strangers to cashing in on lies and forgery, have picked it up and tried to call it their own clever ’saying’. I think this is part and parcel of the Hindustani ‘Johnny Jehadi’ mindset – using outdated, forgotten terminology to try to mimic the vastly superior US forces. Maybe when you can learn to mobilise without blowing up almost a thousand of your own ’soldiers’, you might be taken a little more seriously in the world! Sorry to ruin your ‘great saying’ (LOL), but I should warn you that very few people in the world attribute this to the Hindustani ‘army’ either – just in case you try peddling this lie elsewhere.
Your assessment of the mass graves in Kashmir is repulsive and ignorant, but not exactly surprising. I am used to having to spell everything out to you nowadays. Nonetheless, it really does take a complete idiot to not grasp the link between ‘disappearances’ within Kashmir and the ‘appearances’ of unmarked graves.
Mass Graves in Kashmir
http://www.worldpulse.com/node/15774
‘ “There is bound to be a reasonable correlation between these graves and the people who have disappeared.”
“If the government of India is serious about Kashmir resolution, here is our call of action,” said Dr Chatterji, who teaches Anthropology at California Institute of Integral Studies.
The report has examined 50 alleged encounter killings by the troops. “Of these, 49 people were labelled militants/foreign insurgents by the security forces. However, the Tribunal found that 47 people were killed in fake encounters and only one was a local militant,” she added.’
I don’t really care how often you relay the same absurd line about all these bodies being ‘Johnny Jehadis’, or whatever other cringeworthy name you want to give them. The grim – and well-documented – reality is that these graves are made up mainly of the many, many victims of the faked encounters for which Hindustani ’soldiers’ are so famous. This is the rabble of rapists and monsters that you try to liken to the US forces – who aren’t much better, but at least they have SOME record of success.
I just gave you a link to show you that your own ‘country’ is beset as much by linguistic divisions as it is by racial, religious and political ones. Actually Hindustan reads like a ‘who’s who’ of internal strife and discord.
Why would Zardari divert cow urine to Pakistan’s waters? He would do better by pissing into a couple of bottles himself and selling it to you lot – do you guys pay more for high-caste urine?!
Pakistan’s diplomacy, although far from perfect, has secured valuable friends in the world – but that’s not the issue. I was making a comment about your seemingly retarded diplomat and her refusal to directly criticise the US – once again, I made no mention of trade concessions or anything similar…lol…you’re just chasing your own tail again…
I feel bad that you staked so much on a single sentence by Musharraf regarding the Kashmir insurgency. I’m a little curious as to how you will justify the freedom struggle that was raging for over 50 years prior to that assistance, but I’m sure you will have more rubbish to conjure up to explain that.
The Kerry-Lugar Bill is essentially an attempt by Washington to bribe Islamabad to tow the line in Afghanistan – if anything, it only reasserts Pakistan’s influence in a region where Hindustan is largely forgotten. The bill is controversial in Pakistan, but it seeks to redress the devasting effects of our ongoing campaign to root out extremism from our society. This may be hard for you to understand, because your ‘army’ has actually got proven links to Hindutva fanatics, which nobody in your ‘country’ is prepared to challenge – but I think we both know that Hindustanis are hardly renowned for their introspective courage.
Do you have issues reading charts? I know your english sometimes suffers when big words come along, because they’re a bit beyond the call-centre dialect that you understand, but why would charts be difficult? Hindustan gets less aid than Pakistan, yet its UN vote remains obediently in line with the US stance FAR more often. Is that really so hard for you to digest?
LOL…so the presence of a Shi’a leader in the APHC was the only thing that kept the movement united, was it? Hmm, that’s funny…he resigned his position in 2004, and yet the APHC is still the key player in the Kashmiri freedom movement.
I don’t know what you seek to accomplish my giving me an ethnic breakdown of Kashmir; I am a Pakistani, and I know my own land well enough without needing lessons from a foreigner. It’s funny how you look at the raging freedom movement in Srinagar and somehow see that as a sign of a vibrant democracy, and then you see the opposite in Kargil and that apparently is a sign of a vibrant democracy as well! Have you not read ANY of my links which report the widespread suppression of the media in Kashmir? Do you honestly think IOK – one of the most heavily militarised places IN THE WORLD – is the kind of place where all disturbances are reported? If Kargil were so pro-Hindustan, where was the groundswell of opposition to the freedom fighters who arrived in the summer of 1999? Why did it take almost A FULL WEEK for your ‘intel’ (LOL) guys to realise that the land had been liberated? Surely the loyal, Bollywood-watching Shi’as of Kargil would have taken up arms and fought the insurgents themselves, just as the citizens of Srinagar are doing against IOK ‘forces’…don’t you agree? Funny though…no reports of that…
As I told you previously, your upbringing in the sewers of Hindustan has led you to believe that the rest of the world is as obsessed by bloodthirsty secterianism as Hindustanis. I’m afraid we’re not. Stick to abusing the Dalits of your own country; you really have zero knowledge about Islam, and even less of the Pakistani perspective on Kashmir.
Here is YET ANOTHER link to give you a little valuable insight as to how Pakistanis – and most of the rest of the world – feel about Kashmir:
Paradise on Fire: Violation of Human Rights in Kashmir
http://www.sikhsiyasat.net/2010/08/18/paradise-on-fire-violation-of-human-rights-in-kashmir-by-sanman-kaur-grewal/
“In Kashmir, poorly trained military troops are torturing civilians by extra judicial killings, murders and rapes which is leading to spread of lawless state terrorism. It’s surprising that India still claims itself to be world’s largest democracy.”
Still, with the shameless brutality of your cowardly ‘forces’ so well-documented, you try to peddle this crap about Sunnis and Shias. What a complete joke.
It was only a matter of time before you started whinging about source material…true to your Hindustani colours, you swing from one cheap, flimsy point to another, and eventually you seek refuge in an excuse as lame as this one. In addition to this, you’re also a liar. Tell me, exactly when did I state that the PPP are Hindustani supporters? Please, at least have the basic dignity of quoting the exact part of my post where I made that allegation. I hope you can understand why this is so important to me, because quite frankly I’m getting tired of malnourished schoolboys like you inventing statements from thin air and then trying to market them as the truth. Try taking a look at your own link: the author was sitting happily in the sewers of New Delhi as he/she put that shoddy article together. Or do you ignore your own links as well as ignoring mine?!
LOL, you Hindustanis are a funny bunch – when you are online, you guys all pretend that you are from a civilised, developed democratic society, and then you get so surprised when Pakistanis (among others) criticise their own politicians. Is that really such an amazing thing for you? Is your media so ‘free and vibrant’ over there that you’re shocked to read my criticisms of Pakistan’s foreign minister? Sorry kiddo, in most parts of the world that’s what society is all about! Perhaps you have been spending too much time in IOK, learning the art of repression and media blackouts – but as far as I know, the civilised world bandies about such criticisms all the time. But as your CWG spokesman made clear, Hindustani standards and international standards are really two very different things. The funniest thing of all – you were the one who originally started moaning about the authenticity of links, not me. Trust me mate, if I were to share some proper Pakistani links with you, you would want to hide your head back in that sewer from which you emerged!
I see the very mention of David Cameron has made you wet yourself all over again. Instead of being an adult and accepting the bitter pill of truth, you instead make a mockery of yourself by making childish and frankly timewasting assertions which have no relevance to the argument at hand. David Cameron’s speech has nothing to do with Israel – the article simply explained how his ignorant comments on Pakistan were turning the Kashmir issue into a greater problem, making it even more like the international silence on the inhuman Israeli actions in Gaza. I’m embarrassed that I had to read the same paragraph which I copied and pasted to you from the link, and then type it out in simpler words so that your call-centre english could grasp the meaning. Your bizarre comments on Israel being older than Cameron, or whatever crap you came up with, are just plain stupid. Either you are deliberately pretending to play dumb – in which case you are a coward who refuses to give me a proper answer – or you are actually too stupid to even be using a computer. Either way, it’s no real loss to me. Again, you seem to have this insecurity whenever a white man’s name is mentioned – maybe that’s why you named yourself ‘Steve’ in your earlier post! Race and colour have nothing to do with this; try stepping out of your colonial slave/caste mentality just for a second.
There is a singular reason as to why there has been no plebiscite held in Kashmir: it is because the Hindustani government, just like its people, is made up of gutless cowards. But you don’t have to take my word for it – your own ‘defence’ minster in 1954 revealed the same thing in a rare moment of honesty:
ABOUT KASHMIR
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Articles/issues/about_kashmir.htm
“February 5, 1964
India reneges from her pledge. The Indian representative tells the Security Council, ‘I wish to make it clear on behalf of my government that in no circumstances can we agree to the holding of a plebiscite in Kashmir.” Defense Minister, Kirshnan Menon gives the reason: “Kashmir would vote to join Pakistan and no Indian Government responsible for agreeing to plebiscite would survive.”
To everybody but Hindustanis, this is extremely easy to understand. You guys are world leaders in denying the comments from your own leaders…lol…or was this guy an ISI agent as well?!
I haven’t heard of Shah Faisal, and I don’t particularly care about his story either. Whereas you and your kind scavenge in desperation for one-off stories like these, I have reams of anecdotes to show you what Kashmir’s Muslims actually have to deal with in the real world.
Examples of Indian atrocities in Kashmir
http://hellinparadise.150m.com/examples.htm
“Since January 1990, rape by Indian occupation forces has become more frequent. Rape most often occurs during crackdowns, cordon and search operations during which men are held for identification in parks or schoolyards while security forces search their homes. In raping them, the security forces are attempting to punish and humiliate the entire community.”
(‘Pain in Kashmir: A Crime of War’ issued jointly by Asia Watch and Physicians for Human Rights, May 09, 1993)
“(On February 23, 1991), at least 23 women were reportedly raped in their homes at gunpoint (at Kunan Poshpora in Kashmir). Some are said to have been gang-raped, others to have been raped in front of their children … The youngest victim was a girl of 13 named Misra, the oldest victim, name Jana, was aged 80″.
(Amnesty International, March 1992)
“The most common torture methods are severe beatings, sometimes while the victim is hung upside down, and electric shocks. People have also been crushed with heavy rollers, burned, stabbed with sharp instruments, and had objects such as chilies or thick sticks forced into their rectums. Sexual mutilation has been reported”.
(Amnesty International, March 1992)
“While army troops dragged men from their homes for questioning in the border town of Kunan Pushpura, scores of women say they were raped by soldiers….a pregnant Kashmiri woman, who was raped and kicked, gave birth to a son with a broken arm.”
(Melinda Liuin, Newsweek, June 24, 1991)
[Anthony Wood and Ron MaCullagh of the Sundav Observer (June 02, 1992) estimated that over 500 Indian army men were involved in this orgy of rape and plunder in Kunan Pushpura.]
The filthy, bestial scum who perpetrate these kinds of acts are the pride and glory of your nation, and any sane human being would join the Kashmiris in wanting these depraved animals exterminated like the cockroaches that they are. There are no words strong enough to describe how sick these Hindustani ‘heroes’ of yours are. Funny how you don’t seem to know any of the names of these ’soldiers’ though, isn’t it? You have the shamelessness to give lectures on human rights when your ’soldiers’ don’t even act like humans. Disgusting. THIS is why men like Geelani have support – all your irrelevant crap about hospital appointments and random statements mean nothing compared to the sick realities of Kashmir. My only comfort is knowing that these filthy rapists get a just reward whenever any of them are actually caught by the Kashmiris.
Haha…you’re still trying to take pride in your Defence days. That’s so cute. Remind me again, what damage was caused to West Pakistan? Oh of course, your general promised to have a drink in Lahore Gymkhana…so how did that work out for you?! LOL…why not try stopping by for a drink now? After all, isn’t that why you celebrate your ‘Defence’ day?! Talk about non-existant victories!
By the way, at no point did I ever attach any prestige to 1971 – all I have done so far is educate you on the ground realities. Ultimately, 1971 was one of the lowest point in Pakistan’s history, not so much for the loss of Bangladesh, but more because of the bloodshed that preceded it. But I’m not about to discuss that with a Hindustani, whose ‘country’s’ whole history is a tribute to bloodshed and deceit – these kinds of discussions are simply beyond your scope. What is true, though, is that we lost to the Mukhti Bahini – who, as well as fighting from mosques and markets, were also being armed and equipped by the courageous (LOL) Hindustani ‘army’ as early as 1968. It was only at the point of concession that the Hindustani officers actually turned up, desperate as ever to stage a false victory by putting on a pantomime to mark the end of the war. It was sad that we gave ground and lives to the Mukhti Bahini, but even the physically smaller Bengalis are tough nuts compared to the effeminate rapists that staff the ranks of your regular ‘forces’. As I’ve mentioned before, your kind have only one tradition to uphold – conquest and slavery. Does that clear things up for you?
This is priceless – your ‘victory in Kashmir’?!
Are you high on crack?!
Tell me, exactly where is your ‘victory in Kashmir’ again…is it in Azad Kashmir, which has a government that reports directly to Islamabad? Is it in Gilgit/Baltistan, which was officially and very publicly made a national province last year? Is it in Srinagar, where you’re forced to pump live ammunition into crowds and gangrape civilians in order to prevent protesters from shouting pro-Pakistani slogans? Tell me just one more time…where exactly is this victory again?
LOL…bechara is so scared of mentioning Defence Journal now, he has to quote it without citing the actual link. Don’t be shy sunshine, I know it means a lot to you – and besides, you don’t really have much else to go by!
Air Chief Marshal Nur Khan was very critical of the Pakistan Army during the ‘65 war – and although he had good reason to be, I’m not about to insult his or the Army’s legacy by discussing this with a Hindustani, for whom honour is a totally foreign concept. Khan was given very little notice to prepare for the war, but that only serves to highlight how great a national hero he is – he was able to mobilise and organise the PAF into a fighting force that went on to take on a vastly superior enemy and piss all over them in the skies. Whoops…did Defence Journal not explain that bit to you?!
A two-line, baseless answer on the farcical performance of your Mig-21s will not suffice. To me, that sounds like you have run out of creative arguments. Again, either explain the shambolic performance of your pilots/technicians/spare parts, or just accept your own ignorance.
Trying to compare the story of the Dhruv to the story of the JF-17…hilarious. Most of your Brahmin pilots are probably too young to even remember when the project kicked off back in 1984, and since then you have built 120…wow, well done! I could have done the same in a garage if I had 30 years to do so! Even with all that time, you suffered so many humiliating crashes…compare that to the JF-17…initiated in 1998 (your date of 1991 was another lie), first flight in 2003…number of crashes to date – zero.
JF-17 Thunder Celebrates its 7th Crash Proof Birthday
http://asian-defence.blogspot.com/2010/08/jf-17-thunder-celebrates-its-7th-crash.html
And the Dhruv is still a source of pride for you?!
What makes you think I have ‘nothing left to say’ on the nuke issue? Read back through the messages my child…I posted a link which showed your own test director (read slowly: TEST DIRECTOR) calling your nuke tests a farce, and in reply you posted some statistics that you had made up. So I replied and explained that you were a liar, and since then you’ve gone quiet…hmm, I wonder who has nothing left to say…
The same applies to your one-line reply about the (failed) GSLV launch…your remarks about Pakistan are irrelevant – we don’t try to portray ourselves as a world power. That’s your hallmark – the new-age world power of the 21st century! We can’t provide toilets to our poor, but we can launch satellites into space! Oh no wait we can’t even do that! Well at least we have Bollywood! LOL! To be honest the images of the Hindustani satellites exploding into pieces is genuinely funny. I guess that between your 6-hour musicals and your exploding satellites, one market that you guys have definitely covered is the entertainment industry! Too funny!
Who here is bewailing the Commonwealth Games? I think they were very successful! As I mentioned earlier, the competing athletes must have felt so happy and safe to arrive in rooms covered in dry faeces. Babbling on about corruption is a waste of time as well – what is it with Hindustanis and excuses? The majority of funds were siphoned off through corruption – the remainder went into developing Delhi, in other words lining more corrupt officials’ pockets. Is that meant to be your defence? Is that meant to ease the suffering of the thousands of children you had to draft in to finish the construction job on sweatshop wages? How exactly are you ‘investing’ in their future? Actually your ‘patriots’ are far worse than our ‘Nawazes’ – they talk up a big game on Hindustan, and most of them do so from the comfort of New York and London! How much money did you beloved Hinduja pay for a British passport again?
Ah, back to your exploding tin cans…imagine spending all that money on expensive fireworks. Why are you so caught up with Pakistan? We have recently suffered severe floods, we are fighting a foreign-sponsored insurgency, and dealing with many other problems at the same time – why would we be so foolish as to posture like a world power? Of course, that makes it even funnier to watch Hindustan – which has infinitely more problems than Pakistan – try to impress the white man with repeated attempts at a GSLV launch, with each failure more spectacular than the previous. Now, do you have any answer to that? Or am I just going to have to keep on asking you?
Congratulations on the commercial aspect by the way – I’m sure there are some very happy Brahmins out there, making huge amounts of money off the back of your exploding satellites. If the money was going to Hindustan, why do ONE THIRD of the world’s hungriest people live in your back yard? How comes Hindustan’s malnourishment stats show little difference to what they were 20 years ago?
http://www.bhookh.com/hunger_facts.php
“Estimates of general undernourishment – what is sometimes called protein-energy malnutrition – are nearly twice as high in India as in Sub-Saharan Africa.”
- Amartya Sen, Nobel Prize Winner
I guess those 836 million dirt-poor Hindustanis don’t see much of those ‘Rs 1,000 crore’ well at least they get a good firework show.
Ahh…I didn’t realise that selling 120 dodgy helicopters was such a ‘big deal’ for you. My apologies! In most parts of the world it’s a bit of a joke – especially after 20 years and countless crashes. The explosions must look very pretty next to your sophisticated satellites! LOL!
But hey…at least it’s an ‘indigenous’ design. Right?
Problems plague advanced light helicopter Dhruv
http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/aug/05/slide-show-1-problems-plague-advanced-light-helicopter-dhruv.htm
‘In its latest report, the CAG said, “90 per cent of the value of material used in each helicopter is still imported from foreign suppliers. Even though the Dhruv is in production for 10 years, the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited has not been able to find indigenous suppliers.” ‘
I think the problem here is that a couple of call-centre workers picked up this impressive new word ‘indigenous’ and decided to start using it to describe all of Hindustan’s technology…now tell me, in a few STRAIGHTFORWARD words, how this basket-case project is in anyway similar to the US AH-64 program. As always, I’m waiting for an answer.
I’m not silent on Turkey’s test crash – in fact I answered you directly. Tell you what; just this once, let me make life easier for you and copy my previous answer:
“As always, when you fall back on these tacky religious appeals such as Turkey buying the Dhruv, I can tell you’ve run out of ideas.”
Hindustanis like you are really the most comical creatures. You are known as “Test Sample BE: Brahmin Elite”. You see, Test Sample BE watches enough Bollywood movies and reads enough made-up stores to convince himself that he is from a secular ‘country’; unfortunately, when it comes to the huge issues consuming his makeshift ‘nation’, Test Sample BE suddenly falls back on very convenient religious distinctions. Kashmir? Ah, ‘Sunni types’. Bhopal disaster? Ah, ‘mainly Muslim victims’. Now it seems I’m meant to discuss Turkey’s helicopter tests with you, just because it’s a Muslim-majority country?! Do you see how your ’secular’ credentials are as much of a joke as all your other so-called acheivements?
What kind of madman would try to compare the JF-17 with the ALH? I’ve already posted the JF-17’s crash record (ZERO) and compared it to the Dhruv…do you seriously need me to post that up again? How much of this stuff actually sinks into you with each post?
It’s relieving to see you seeking refuge in Pakistan’s flood crisis – to me that’s a sign that you have run out of anything of value to add. A bit like your security forces – when they can’t find any men to riddle with bullets, they have no problems emptying their magazines on women and children instead. Great tradition you got there. Tell me, what exactly is the difference between Pakistan using Chinese helicopters and Hindustan using foreign-built ones? Answers on a postcard…
…you know, you really should be grateful that I decided to focus on your Last Chance Aircraft instead of your mickey-mouse LCH – both of them are a comedy sketch, but the LCH is just a laughing stock. For a start, it still took over 20 years to materialise, which in itself is hilarious. Secondly…remind me again, which parts of this ‘indigenous’ heli originate from Hindustan? Belgian rocket launchers, French engine, French gun turrets, German design, Italian avionics…lol, why don’t you just call it Euro-charity? Oh wait – the Israelis held your hand with the cockpit design, didn’t they? Bravo – a fully international effort! The UN would be so proud! You fool!
Now, since you’re the one who has ongoing issues with simple english constructs, you try repeating after me: L…C…H…is…a…foreign…creation!
Yes, well done! Somebody throw that boy a cookie!
As for shouting at your aircraft…well, I know this small fact has given you a bit of a nosebleed, but take a look through the stats I provided on Hindustani ‘air force’ crashes versus PAF crashes – that’s right, you can’t run away from it. More accidents in A SINGLE DECADE than Pakistan has had throughout her history…so you never know, maybe shouting at your ‘pilots’ will do the trick!
Now tell me this, what do pilot interviews in 1965 have to do with 1971? Aw, are you scurrying for cover under your Mukhti Bahini victory again?! All I was wondering was why those Pakistani pilots were alive and unscathed, openly mocking your ‘pilots’, despite Hindustani claims that they had all been killed? Now tell me…can you answer that? Or will you need to post your Grand Slam link again?
Actually sweetheart, I’m feeling bad now…you’re becoming a little hysterical without your Defence Journal/Grand Slam links. You’ve resorted to quoting the website without actually pasting the link now, lol…and that level of desperation doesn’t smell very good. Tell you what – I’ll be generous and let you use Defence Journal again, how does that sound?
I wonder if you’ve ever studied the website enough to pick up this article:
India’s Kargil Operations – An analysis
http://www.defencejournal.com/nov99/india-kargil.htm
“India is an arrogant local bully who has treated her small neighbours with scant regard and would certainly not have sent secret emissaries if she was in a strong military position in Kargil. In fact her military position was somewhat perilous. The government was therefore forced to send other emissaries to Europe and the United States.”
Israel, Europe, US…sounds like the LCH project all over again!
Now let’s see…if a naval force is ALLOWED to approach it’s enemy’s coast and open fire AT WILL, what exactly would you call that? Where were your sailors…turning the Indian Ocean yellow with their bladder issues again, right? Sorry mate – sounds very much like a victory to PN to me…although maybe your CWG spokeman has been telling you that there are ‘cultural differences’ between Hindustan’s version of defeat and the rest of the world’s, who knows…lol…
…I’ve decided to keep a checklist of the number of times you mention 1965 without doing any basic research and embarrassing yourself without reason. The test question, Mr Sewer-Dweller, is simple: who crossed the international border first? So far I think you’ve ducked this question….hmm…15 times? Tell you what – I’ll be generous and wipe the slate clean; let’s call this number 1. In the meantime, spend less time worrying about our SSG which has been internationally tested, and more time worrying about your ‘commandos’ who have earned their stripes off the blood of Sikhs and Muslims.
Why would I have any reason to doubt the stories about civilians resisting the Hindustani rape brigade in Lahore? I know this is a sore point for you, but you see, unlike your kind, we’re not in the business of inventing stories for fake awards.
More fake encounters in Indian Army
http://pakobserver.net/201006/25/detailnews.asp?id=38039
“The Kargil War created even more opportunities for Indian Army personnel to conjure false encounters and create make-believe stories of valour.”
Haha, shall I tell you what the funniest thing is? The funniest thing is that whenever you preach about staged encounters, you always fumble around and make an idiot of yourself because you have no sources to back it up – and whenever I reply to you, I can dip into a bottomless bag of links and reports! Even funnier is that like a big human punchbag, you keep swinging back happily for more!
So as you can see (again), Pakistanis have a privilege that you guys don’t have – they can believe the reports from the war, because they are not proven war profiteers.
Feeling a tinge of jealousy towards the Pakistan Army, are we? Who the hell are you to even make mention of our jawans? How many of them have been found guilty of murdering religious minorities in doctored encounters? How many of our officers have had proven links with extremist groups in the country? As I’ve said to you before beta, please don’t make a fool of yourself trying to compare the fighting ranks of the Pakistan Army to the unscrupulous ladyboys who sit in your barracks. Remind me again, how many prostitutes have been sent to the Kashmir front recently? LOL…and this is the rabble that your trying to compare to ‘the poor Pakistani sepoy’. Get a life.
Now tell me ‘Steve’, what have we learnt about the links that you send? Haven’t we learnt that the first thing to do is to check their dates? Haven’t we learnt that despite repeated exposures, your shoddy research has been shown to be completely irrelevant because the link is usually outdated? Actually I am on some level impressed that you are such a determined liar – I bet you must be a national asset over there.
Your Guardian link is dated May 2009 – just as the counter-insurgency operations had begun. What’s wrong, couldn’t find anything more recent? No you couldn’t! The Pakistan Army has successfully cleared the valley of militants and repatriated IDPs, and did so all within months. That’s why you couldn’t find anything more recent. Your key weakness (and you have many) is that despite the presence of Hindustani pseudo-intellectuals crawling all over the internet, your source material still seems to be severely restricted to outdated links, references to Grand Slam, and your Defence Journal quote.
Here – you’ve quoted it again! LOL! It must be a new record!
How does your two-line explanation about the murdered Kargil ‘hero’ change the fact that he was killed in a fake encounter? What’s so ’sensational’ about that?
Unknown graves aren’t a big deal for you and your kind – you have been creating and cultivating them for decades. But if you want to come here and act like an adult, you will have to do better than mumble a few incomprehesible lines about ‘ex-great dictator Pervez Mushy’, whatever that means, to explain why these graves crop up with such shocking regularity.
LOL…yes, actually you should congratulate yourselves on having such an overflowing population crisis! It means that you are proportionally free to commit far more sexual abuses…try reading the report again you fool.
Sexual Harassment in Indian Army
http://www.sikhsiyasat.net/2010/06/10/sexual-harassment-in-indian-army-by-sajjad-shaukat/
“There are reports that till today, only two or three rape cases have been concluded so far in a guilty verdict, while in the remaining cases, the investigations are still in process or have been terminated because of tremendous pressure on the presidents of the court of inquiries,
95% of Muslims In Occupied Kashmir Want Aazadi From India:
Pakistans dream percentage sitting across the boarder!!!
Am sure, Pakistanis (specially Punjabis + ISIs Establishment) fully aware what Allah will decide if there is UN organized Plebiscite tomorrow in Balochistan, FATA, NFWP, Gilgit-Baltistan and even in Sindh.
@ Moin Ansari,
It sounds a lot like you’re still stinging from the most significant expression of popular will in the subcontinent, which happened in 1947 when we smashed your fake country to pieces and created the nation of Pakistan through our democratic will.
If you want to avoid a repeat of history with Khalistan, Assam, Kashmir, etc etc, I would strongly suggest that you worry less about unnecessary plebiscites in other countries and pay more attention to the growing stench in your own backyard.
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INDIA KNOWS IT BUT DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF FALSIFYING IT.
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